A great reason to follow RULE #1

[Trichomie]

Hey y'all. Looks like I won't be doing anything for awhile, if ever. In a nonmed state and don't know any growers or many connections anymore. I'm an old guy and have been gettin my smoke through coworkers when worthwhile or for about the last year from a friend's kid's friend mostly. Let's call him Joe. Poor kid's only 22

My buddy use to meet him at the store or fast food places and such, but for a couple months Joe had been coming over to my house cause it was easier. MY BAD!!!!!! At least he doesn't have my phone # on his phone but since I'm now involved in this mess LEO knows it by now anyway.

I came to find out that Joe's connect was getting dispensary bud mailed to him. He couldn't do it anymore so he offers Joe his connection. Don't know how long they've known eachother or the connection or if Joe even knows the connection personally.

A couple weeks ago the first time Joe gets the usual amount of a couple pounds sent to HIM, the tracked package didn't get there when it should have. He was freaked cause it's all his cash which was a bad idea too. Don't know what method was used: USPS, UPS or FedX cause I haven't talked to my buddy yet but he didn't know before. When the package did arrive and Joe went to get it, he was met by the DEA and police, probably local and state police since state lines were crossed. More than likely the DHS was there too because of the fake CIA run terrorist bullshit excuse, and why not the TSA for shits and grins. What other alphabet agency can come to the party for a piece of Joe? Ya cocksuckers!

My theory is the out of state connection got busted, then sets up Joe's friend. To save his own snakeskin he then set up Joe as the last loose string in that line. I'm sure they knew all about Joe already anyway. He always used his snartphone tracker device so they've been following and listening to him for awhile now. Calling and meeting my buddy who they are probably watching too, who would then call me so my phone number got known, then my home involved. FUCK!!!!!!!

They probably have my voice recorded too. I hope everybody knows LEO can go the phone company and monitor your phone without a warrant, and the phone company is glad to help. They can turn on your phone if it's off for GPS purposes. And turn on the microphone and listen to what's being said in the room whenever they want to.

Luckily nobody knows of my prior efforts or my current plans due to rule #1. I bet that kid would have found out because nobody can keep a sectet, including my best friend. He lets it slip to just one person and then it's the old FOAFOAFOAFOAF but don't tell anybody type thing and everybody knows. And since I've been dragging my feet here lately on getting it done, my grow area still isn't ready yet so no power fluctuations, but the room is there and it looks like a GROWROOM because that's what it is. And I'm not tearing it down again either.

This has got me pissed at the asshats in charge of my destiny and since it wouldn't take shit to do it I might just clean the house of anything incriminating, and before they make it illegal to have a garden grow legal vegies for awhile, wait for the door to be kicked in and then sue the shit out of the bastards. And make it a really public affair to show just how out of control this POS government of the USA has gotten.

I don't know what to do but I do know what NOT to do. And this will most likely be my last post for awhile and maybe ever. I do use TOR but LEO can find out what they want to know if they really want to, and now I'm on their rader.

And thanks to those who gave me rep pionts, I'm touched. I'll still come and read though as I'm addicted to the knowledge. Wish I could contribute more. Maybe I can. Might create a new persona and a giant thread called "FuckYouGovernment" or something similar and be the AJ of ICMag and inform the masses to the reality of our world. Be safe and always remember rule #!.

 

[Agaricus]

I wish you the best. This is the kind of shit that really gets my shorts in a wad.

On the positive side, I doubt they're really that interested in the little guy at the end of the chain who buys a zip now and then. Don't know the situation in your neck of the woods but around here it seems that the only time they pick on the little guy is when they want to use him to chase the supply chain. Squeal on your dealer, he rats his supplier etc. Even then it's usually someone who's pretty blatant about it.

Again, best of luck and be safe.

 

[Trichomie]

Hi Agaricus. Yeah I'm not too worried, it just blew my plans big time. It's the kid I'm worried about. I like the kid and he seemed to have his shit together. Just a little naive I guess. I'll have to go over to my buddies house and talk in person and see what the hell is going on.

We'll find out what kind of metal this kid is made of. He probably doesn't have anybody to rat out because he told my buddy he might not be able to get bud anymore when he first found out about his friend stopping. He seemed trustworthy though.

He had mentioned he knows a grower who even has his own strain. That guy must have been at it awhile now. I'd never know if that grower went down or not, but if Joe don't get in no trouble, one has got to wonder. Time will tell. He should never have said that to me anyway. Joe has loose lips. Kinda glad I don't know him I guess.

Anyways, rules #2 and #3 (NO SMELL & NO SELL) are really good to follow as well. Nobody had any idea what I had done in the past because of those rules.

 

[Trichomie]

And after thinking about it, I have myself to blame for my plans being changed. If I had thought about it, I wouldn't have let the meetings take place where I was planning to grow. What a Homer Simpsonish decision that was.

Always think like a grower,. And keep your illegal avtivities to a minimum. My dad always said not to break 2 laws at the same time. He should have thrown "stupid" in there at the end too.

This is Trichomie signing off.

 

[standsideways]

Time to grow your own!

 

[ak-51]

I don't think you're even on their radar.

 

[mowood3479]

I don't think you're even on their radar.

I agree with this... I know a bunch of people who have been busted recieving weed... all the major shipping compainies have drug interdiction employees...
so they catch some of the packages, looks like ur boy was one of the ones they caught
if ur ballsy/dumb enough to be the reciever you should NEVER sign for a package... nor accept any responsability or prior knoweledge of said package.

do not go pick it up.. if it is late, wash ur hands of it. even if its a lot of $.. better than losing ur $ and going to jail

 

[mowood3479]

the sender was prob not in trouble and prob isnt in trouble now.. id doubt if there was any wiretap or any survielance beyond mayb a drive by of the recievers house...
that is my opinion based on cases ive heard about in my area..
I could be wrong and its always better to be prepared...

 

[ninfan77]

I'd wait a few months before starting up... investigations can take a while.

With that said, I don't think you're in any real trouble. The cali connect prob got busted, rolled on his heavy buyers (lbs and up like your friend), which in turn have nobody to rat out, as they are the ones buying weight and breaking it down. cops usually move UP the chain, not down it.

Good luck, hope things work out well for everyone.

PS see if you can find out which agency shipped the package... or any details about the bust.. always could help some other poor soul not to make similar mistakes.

 

[Puffaluffagus]

Do I understand this right? You were just buying personal use bags from the kid?
Did the kid know you were setting up a growroom?
If he didn't know about the room, and you were only buying bags for yourself then you are FINE, even if he does tell them they aren't going to give 2 shits about some quarter OZ a week buyer

 

[kmk420kali]

If they have enough to get a warrant on you, but not to prosecute you yet, and they take your computer and find this...you just handed them enough to fry you and your friend--

 

[BrnCow]

I think you are just paranoid...but your project just got shut down for 6 mos or a year while you wait and watch to see if you are being watched. Don't you dare grow shit unless you want tomatoes or something like that. Hell, if you could learn to grow ginseng or that yellow spice shit, you might make more that weed. As far as smoke goes, you need to find a reggie connect that is not too big time and just buy an ounce or so. Don't share with anyone, no company or little company, no kids that age over at all unless they are kin, turn that phone number off and go to Wallyworld and get the cheapest straightalk phone with the $30 or $45 card. The cheapest Motorola one is the only one you can charge with the card and not have to call in or log on to recharge...relax and don't change your habits much if any- just stop any ricky behavior...sometimes this fed shit takes 6 months or a year to turn into cop action. Likely you are cool though...but if they have your info and they can set you up locally through the local narcs and snitches, they will so be aware and no new friends or old friends you haven't hard from in a while wanting you to get them weed ...or any other bs reason..and don't score shit for anyone for any reason - even snatch! That phone is the main liability so get that done like yesterday! Beware of any other shit your head tells you and drop the depressed bs if you can. You are the only one that can save yourself and you can if you get off your ass and apply yourself to the task...search the net for ideas and workable tactics to avoid the eyes...hope it works out for ya...stay away from anyone that has been busted in the last year or is on probation or parole...just a matter of principle...good luck! And stash up some cash somewhere safe in case you need bail or a lawyer... sell all the bs you don't need on Ebay, hockshop, or yard sale...get your house simple and with not much shit there for them to destroy if they fall on your ass...later

 

[supermanlives]

most likely the piggies will move on they got what they wanted.keep your head low for a while . been there done that . in florida i was on tape and film in a case. once the big guy went down they could care less about me and moved on . they took all his shit immediately . watched his model t and bike go by on a trailor .fuck florida

 

[SeaMaiden]

Just an FYI, the phone company is typically not 'more than happy' to allow feds into their central offices. They're not happy that the feds have their own monitoring equipment in their central offices that they have no access to, either.

Just an FYI.

Your friend's friend, this kid, could have easily gotten caught simply via USPS or whichever shipper he chose to use.

 

[Trichomie]

Hi all. No, I'm not sittin here bitin my nails. Doubt if I'm being watched so I'll stay active online. Like they'de track my online usage. Just got a little edgy. Busts make me paranoid, and for good reason. And I realize I'm in no danger of a visit from LEO. Doubt if I was looked at any further than a guy getting a quarter ounce every couple weeks, but they checked me out for sure. And may continue to watch for awhile. And if I were to go from using let's say 300 to 400 watts worth of power for about 8 to 10 hours a day to a 2000+ watt grow, that might raise a few eyebrows. I should have already been gradually ramping up my power usage for the last 6 months or more but haven't done that yet.

I mentioned cleaning the house of incriminating items like bongs and pipes, hemostats, BHO tubes, seperate my silkscreens from the buckets they're packed into, trichome coated jars and other things like that I'll find. It's mostly in one closet. Then growing legal vegies, meaning tomatoes or something else I'll have to research and learn to grow. Do that for about 6 months or so and see what happens. And if they do kick in my door and kill my dog, that's when I'll sue the shit out of em. Probably lose the case but it would definitely be known to the public, who don't give a damn anyway.

Nobody knows I grew for a couple years until late 2009 but had to shut down. And nobody knows what I have going right now except you good people. And I'd like to keep it that way.

Will talk to my buddy this weekend about more details. He should know more by then. Joe, the kid, took over the connection so I doubt if he changed the shipping method that had been working for about a year that I know of. It just seems fishy to me his first time got pinched, that's all I'm saying. Don't know who sent the money out of state either. If it was Joe or his friend. But it would be odd for that guy to just accept a new guy sending him cash and responding in kind? So his friend probably mailed it which is why I think Joe was set up.

I guess technically cellphones can't be remotely "turned on" when they're "off", but when it's michrophone and camera can be activated when the phone is in the "off" mode, that constitutes turning it on to me. Here's some tin-foil hat shit for you to go research before calling bs. This is the reason I mentioned my voice probably being on tape now.

NSA Spying FAQ https://www.eff.org/nsa/faq

U.S. Supreme Court allows warrantless wiretapping of Americans. http://massprivatei.blogspot.se/2012/10/us-supreme-court-allows-warrantless.html

Since the feds have integrated with most local LEO's, by extension, the locals now have that same federal authority too.

How Many Millions of Cellphones Are Police Watching? http://www.propublica.org/article/how-many-millions-of-cellphone-are-police-watching

I can't refind the article stating the feds have already taken remote snapshots through people's cellphones, but now there's an admitted malware developed by our government to do just that. Check it out.

How the Camera On Your Cellphone Can Be Captured and Used to Spy on You http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/how-camera-your-cellphone-can-be-captured-and-used-spy-you

And then we have this to look forward to:

Flame Turns On Computer Microphones, Takes Screen Shots, Copies Data, Records Communications http://www.infowars.com/cyber-weapo...screen-shots-copy-data-record-communications/

The last link is to a site that some douche bag gave me the ole "lol", called me and my friends anti semites and wants me to suck his balls for posting it. Funny he quoted that particular thread in his post too. lol. Then some guy assumes I'm in the John Birch Society because I don't want to poison myself with fluorisated water. Another lost and dilusional soul. The website was then called "illegitimate" as a reference source. Where you get your info from? CNN, FOX, MSNBC. Wow. Do you call bullshit when the TV tells you the same info that AJ has been telling me and others for probably 6 months before you hear it on TV? How is it illegitimate to cite government documents/white pepers and the MSM when they finally have to admit to some of this shit going on? There are plenty of links and credits in the stories I provided links to if you gave a shit and didn't just try to stir it up.

AJ is one of the most, if not THE most legit information source I've found and I'll continue to post links to info to and from his websites. And the Drudge Report is another stellar source for info. Don't follow the links but don't tell me about legitimacy. There are plenty of other reliable sources for info, and they usually appear as guests on the AJ show. The callers are also very informative. I heard about the phone info from Mr. Conspiracy Theorist, Alex Jones, and through my due diligence confirmed it, as usual.

@ SeaMaiden. I respect your opinion very much and enjoy your writings and knowledge, but AT&T is pretty much an NSA spy tool and seem comfortable with it. Other phone companies will give info and access if directed to. It's for our safety doncha know.

Talk to yas this weekend.

 

[Trichomie]

Hey all. Update to follow this post.

Guess I have some things to learn about posting, and you have my apologies for that. Also need to stop writing these long-ass posts. haha

The first thing would be to get all the facts before going off half-cocked and opening up a thread on a worldwide forum.

Secondly is to be more clear with details about things being discussed. Like the fact that I am/was nearly ready to start crackin beans again after 3 years off and that's why I have to wait now. It's in my intro but who saw that? haha. After reading the first post it almost seemed like I was growing now and would have to shut down.

And lastly is wnen mentioning topics covered in other threads (like me not wanting to be fluorisated, I mean fluoridated), I should name the thread and maybe even link to it. Like this: will fluoride accumulate in my plants from tap water? https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=244516&page=4

There are surely more but none come to mind right now. I'll get better at posting, just bear with me.

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OFF TOPIC RANT! Read at your own risk.


I know that thread was about plants and fluoride, but the OP is aware of fluoride and was concerned about the exposure to HIM when consuming his prize, not for the sake of the plant from being exposed to fluoride.

Then someone who is ignorant to the facts comes in and tries to muck up the thread and belittle others with their ignorance and nothing but propaganda to back up their position, so I chimed in with some facts. Then more uninformed people tagged on and attacked me too. Maybe they've gotten over their fear of the truth, done some research and are singing a different tune now. The stuff they put in our water is an industrial waste product.

You gotta go to Infowars.com to see it although it may be on YouTube by now, but here's a 32 minute vid about fluoride. Infowars Special Fluoride Report http://www.infowars.com/infowars-special-fluoride-report/

It starts with a 23 minute interview conducted by Rob Dew with Linda Green who is a cofounder of Fluoride Free Austin. The remainder is a report done by Alex Jones.

If you watch it you'll probably start filtering fluoride out of your water too. And maybe even pitch a bitch about it. I happened to be watching PrisonPlanetTV live online at the time this report aired. I'm pretty well informed on the fluoride issue, but things are even worse than I thought.

The stuff is now banned nationally in Austria, Denmark, France, Italy, Luxembourg, Norway, Spain, Sweeden and Switzerland. Many cities in the US and Canada have banned it as well. Calgary recently followed suit. But most people don't know that info.

Dr. Paul Connett, PhD has been on the AJ show before and can back up what he claims with medical research. Search his name, watch a vid or 2 or 3. If you don't get a filter after that you should just keep drinking the fluoride and laugh at kooks like me as you prematurely die.

The fluoride issue pisses me off cause I don't like being poisoned and not being able to stop it from happening if I want access to water.

To me the worst thing is that the dosage is the same in each oz/ml of treated (poisoned) water. One's size, age and exposure levels don't factor into the equation either. Ain't that some shit? It's really dangerous for infants to consume. How much per day are you taking in?

The average person probably drinks about a quart of water a day. But working in the sun, and drinking 2 or 2 1/2 gallons a day in the summer and still about a gallon a day in the winter is a lot of water for me to consume. How many ppm would I be putting in my body if not filtering my water?

Not sure how much is in softdrinks/beer/ and anything else with water in it. BTW I don't drink them anymore. Just decided to stop drinking beer in 94 and stopped drinking sodas in 05 cause of the HFCS and aspartame. Just drink filtered water, organic milk (if that's true) and the cleanest juices I can find. My dog only gets filtered water too.

Fluoride is in the food from being used as a pesticide on our crops. The sruff is in bug poisons. It kills bugs so WTF does it do to us?

Then we bath in that shit everyday. And it soaks in your body easier at higher temps. More open skin pores I guess.

When are we gonna stop this?

Hope this helps someone.

 

[Trichomie]

Greetings. Finally talked to my buddy. His nephew is closer to Joe than my buddy's son is. None of my business so I didn't know that. So my bud talked to his nephew after he talked to Joe.

Joe and his friend have been doing this for 3 years or so. To the USPS like a well oiled machine. Same out of town connection. Joe's friend all of a sudden couldn't do it anymore so Joe took over the connect. Mailed the money himself, package shipped to his house.

Package didn't come on Friday. Waited till Monday. At the post office, he sees a couple out of place patrons but goes to counter anyway. The lady seemed a little wierd as she gave him the package.

Joe said he could smell it on the counter. Guess since it was all his cash he decided to accept it and left. He knew he shouldn't have taken it. Couple miles down the road the police and DEA pulled him over. DEA took over and he said when they opened the package, they were suprised it was only weed and nothing else. Sounds like the connect was selling more than smoke.

Joe said thay don't have a paper trail. So he claimed he didn't know what was in the package. Thought it was a gift or something. Don't know about phone records or if Joe called the out of town connect or communicated by mail. They only held him 20 hours and he didn't even have to bail out. Released on his own recognizance. That seems odd.

Supposedly, the out of town connect had his wife send the package. Joe must be in communication with the connection to know that. And by phone I would think. Joe doesn't think he was set up, at least by his friend anyway. Still wonders about the connect. Why would that guy have his wife send the package? And in a detectable fashion like that. Wonder if Joe's buddy was set up the same way?

But maybe LEO had already opened it and didn't reseal it properly and that's why he could smell it. Who knows? I'm still going with: Out of town connect got popped > Joe's buddy goes down > Joe gets busted.

I'll stay on top of this for my own piece of mind, but I guess that's it for now. Will update the thread later on when it's all over with.

I'm still gonna wait but get things completely ready and maybe grow some tomatoes or something in a few months and see what happens. Hopefully only a 6 month setback. Maybe less. I'm really low key around here, till lately anyway. Lost the cold weather season though.

See yas around the boards.

 

[Trichomie]

Forgot that the package didn't come on Frida, but there was a note saying to pick up the package on Monday.

 

[Trichomie]

One more correction. I meant "through" the USPS and not "to" the USPS.

 

[Max Yields]

-------->Just grow your own.<---------Problem could've been easily avoided...Live & learn.