Is OGK still the most sought after cut(s) on the boards? ?

[whadeezlrg]

word on the streets is theres a group of growers in so cal that claim to be the creators of OG, they call themselves the three wisemen or something fwiw

thats a rumor just that i heard.

 

[DIDM]

Larry...

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Louis XIII...

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Just for fun

that Larry is coming along nicely

XIII looks killer but frail, almost like it needs artificial limbs

 

[silverhazefiend]

People lie so much ..I don't believe NONE of those og Kush stories ..granted 5-6 yrs ago I would have eaten those stories up ..but after seeing the practice of the "bizzness" and how people operate when $$$$ is involved ..I can't believe it ..I think chemdawg and all it's "offspring" is thee king when it come to cannabis ..great plants need great stories ..they don't have to be true tho :\

 

[Smoking Gun]

People lie so much ..I don't believe NONE of those og Kush stories ..granted 5-6 yrs ago I would have eaten those stories up ..but after seeing the practice of the "bizzness" and how people operate when $$$$ is involved ..I can't believe it ..I think chemdawg and all it's "offspring" is thee king when it come to cannabis ..great plants need great stories ..they don't have to be true tho :\

Well, the Chem/Dawg story is anything but great. Chem found a bunch of seeds in a pound (or so) of some herb he picked up on Phish tour. He grew out those seeds and they became Chem/Dawg. Pretty plain and simple, nothing really special, other than the beans themselves. But from there there are few discernible facts about the offspring varieties from the Chem/Dawg line. The true story of OG is unlikely to be uncovered any time soon. So we are relegated to the myths.

 

[silverhazefiend]

Well, the Chem/Dawg story is anything but great. Chem found a bunch of seeds in a pound (or so) of some herb he picked up on Phish tour. He grew out those seeds and they became Chem/Dawg. Pretty plain and simple, nothing really special, other than the beans themselves. But from there there are few discernible facts about the offspring varieties from the Chem/Dawg line. The true story of OG is unlikely to be uncovered any time soon. So we are relegated to the myths.

Yea that part of the story is pretty simple but let's look at the big picture ..
"Chemdawg" BOUGHT that pound of weed ..so before he "grew" "chem" it was already ABUNDENT to a certain extent in a certain area ..nobody sells there last pound so there had to be more ...even if his dealer couldn't get anymore ..there was more somewhere in the world

Cannabis offspring will give u some really crazy results when grown out but there not gonna vary so much ur gonna have a new "product" ..something superior maybe ..but it's still the same plant

Don't get me wrong I'm not bashing him at all ..I'm really grateful this strain was grown by him and brought to us today ..I never understood how someone so famous in the canna world could never deliver ...."chem" has always advertised some "unreleased" strains ie :high times 2010 interview ..but they never hit market ?? ..

Chemdawg /og Kush is the most pimped out strain $$ by seed companies to date ..it's just odd the "creator" doesn't have any offerings on the market ..it's always "we teamed up with" or "chemdawg gave me these beans" ..I understand not wanting "limelight" but secrecy ?? ...rant over

 

[unthing]

kinda fits the whole thing that origin is a mystery, at least to general public.

regarding stories, my favourite is the g13 one so far.

 

[g0vnaa]

Man that Louis XIII looks killer

 

[TickleMyBalls]

Chem lb connect was made at a dead show in ohio. It wasn't bought then, it was at least a couple of weeks until it was gotten, so that herb was not necessarily in high supply...and Chem the person isn't quite the famous legend you make him out to be. I remember when he came out of the wood work and argued with JJ-NYC on overgrow in '05. No one believed his story, but he proved himself and everything meshed. Went from arguing, to long lost friend's meeting again and then new strains from the seeds they had both kept (chem D, chem 4, etc.)

 

[silverhazefiend]

I don't wanna ruin this thread with the almighty chem argument ..but I do wanna see if we can agree on a few things ?
1.he BOUGHT that weed ..correct ? So there for someone grew it before him even if it wasn't abundent
2.chemdawg the man isn't famous at all correct ? BUT u say chemdawg and its easily one of the most recognized strains in the world

alot of people claimed to have worked with or got beans from "chemdawg" we kno top dawg seeds did ie:jj-NYC ..ie:"Dina chem" ..but "chemdawg" has been claiming a new line for yrs ..ie "bubble chem" ..and nothing ..I read on another site he was saying he had a collection that got stolen in 2008 from a buddies fridge ?? But in high times 2010 he had like 5 new chems ??? All of which I never seen or crosses of ..it's a bit confusing (I'm not even sure it was chem himself typing on that site)

Friends growing to a concert scoring some weed ..taking the guys # ordering some weed ..finding seeds growing them out ..is not 2 far fetched I guess ..but if so what were the chances of other guys doing this also ? Would u say chem was the only one at that time ?
That i do not kno ..I do kno people save bag seeds from great weed ..there could be some original chem s1s sitting in a stash somewhere ..I just like thinking outside te box a lil ..
Please nobody take this to the heart

 

[Smoking Gun]

Silver, you are correct in assuming that somewhere along the lines someone else found a seed of Chem/Dawg and either popped it years ago and grew some great herb, or it is still sitting in someone's possession waiting to be popped. However this does not prove that this variety was abundant. The original source of the herb Chem scored is still a mystery, and he may simply have done a single run with that plant that produced the Chem/Dawg seeds. On the subject of the original grower, why do you assume what he was growing was Chem/Dawg? If the original grower was growing a variety of plants and one went hermmie or there was a male that was missed in the room or grow plot then Chem/Dawg is a unique variety that was never grown before Chem grew it out. You have just over simplified the situation.

As for Chem not being famous, well that is just untrue. If you know the name Chem/Dawg as a strain it is likely you know the name Chem in reference to the man. Also wouldn't he be considered somewhat famous after being in High Times? As for him being somewhat elusive and not starting a seed company, I just cannot speak for the man, so all I can offer is more speculation. But let us not forget 20 years ago, when Chem bought that bag of mystery herb that yielded Chem/Dawg , there were no medical states and all growing was illegal. There are tons of growers who were growing in the 90's that still stay totally underground because that is how it was when they started. So it is just not that unusual that a grower from the 90's would want to keep his or her privacy. And there is always the idea that Chem just isn't a breeder, he is a talented grower and he understands his contribution to the industry would be to pass around the special genetics he found.

As for all of his other varieties, well to start don't ever listen to High Times. By the time they get an article out it is almost a year after the event happened, that is if they even get their facts correct. They have time and time again made up facts, gotten facts incorrect, mixed up pictures, or just plain screwed things up. However Chem absolutely had other varieties other than just Chem/Dawg. They were done long before that high times article, you can find some of the other varieties in Jason King's Cannabible 3. From that book the make up of Bubblechem is Blueberry X Chem/Dawg's Sister. So the varieties exist, they just are not as popular as the "standard" Chem/Dawg varieties.

So regardless of anyone's popularity, or breeding skills, Chem undoubtedly brought a truly special set of genes to the Cannabis world and he certainly deserves a lot of credit for that. They are some of the most sought after genetics in the world, and that says plenty about the variety and the man.

 

[silverhazefiend]

^^ I can agree with this ..
I felt like chem is very famous ..another poster said he really isn't ..but we can agree the name "chemdawg" is very famous

I agree chem might not be a great "breeder" that's why he always "teams" up with breeders

I also agree high times did make things confusing and with there background I was Nieve to believe what I read ..it's just the leader in one of society's biggest "pot" functions yr to yr is so far from the truth in the cannabis movement

The reason I assumed chem was growing chemdawg because of what he said it was the best weed he ever smoked ..that's what made him grow the seeds ..when u cross a plant it takes different features ..but usually one plant dominates the cross its not really even ..so even if chemdawg wasn't invented yet ..the mother or father (hermie) had to show similarities ..13 seeds in a whole lb sounds more like a hermie ..when a male drops pollen and a fan is on expect at least 30 seeds for 2-3 zips so in a lb I would expect a higher # of seeds ..unless it was small part of the pant affected even then 13 seems kinda low

He could have been growing chemdawg (dealer) and it Hermied + along with the others in the room causing a mix of s1s from mother and crosses from father ..giving us so many different looking chems ..

I appreciate the logical answers and overall polite responses its nice to have a discussion with out people getting wound up ..maybe I did over simplify the situation ..but society put so much mystery into things ..sometimes the answer is right in our face but we dot see the bigger picture bc "society" says its wrong

P.s I'm gonna snap some pics from this DNA OGK I have in veg ..I grew one a while back and it LOOKED just like the chem 91 in all the pics I've seen ..smelled like a gas station tastes like one 2 lol ..I wouldn't say it tastes as good as og Kush that I'm used to

 

[Smoking Gun]

^^ I can agree with this ..
I felt like chem is very famous ..another poster said he really isn't ..but we can agree the name "chemdawg" is very famous

I agree chem might not be a great "breeder" that's why he always "teams" up with breeders

I also agree high times did make things confusing and with there background I was Nieve to believe what I read ..it's just the leader in one of society's biggest "pot" functions yr to yr is so far from the truth in the cannabis movement

The reason I assumed chem was growing chemdawg because of what he said it was the best weed he ever smoked ..that's what made him grow the seeds ..when u cross a plant it takes different features ..but usually one plant dominates the cross its not really even ..so even if chemdawg wasn't invented yet ..the mother or father (hermie) had to show similarities

He could have been growing chemdawg (dealer) and it Hermied + along with the others in the room causing a mix of s1s from mother and crosses from father ..giving us so many different looking chems ..

I appreciate the logical answers and overall polite responses its nice to have a discussion with out people getting wound up ..maybe I did over simplify the situation ..but society put so much mystery into things ..sometimes the answer is right in our face but we dot see the bigger picture bc "society" says its wrong

P.s I'm gonna snap some pics from this DNA OGK I have in veg ..I grew one a while back and it LOOKED just like the chem 91 in all the pics I've seen ..smelled like a gas station tastes like one 2 lol ..I wouldn't say it tastes as good as og Kush that I'm used to

Very cool, I look forward to the pics. There is something about mystery that keeps people intrigued, its like a two part episode of a TV show, they give you just enough to make you come back for the second episode. Humans just seems to have a natural tendency towards secrets and mystery. Think of all the great secrets through history IE: Free Masons, Illuminati, Skull and Bones, all have kept their secrets yet there are more rumors than actual secrets.

I absolutely agree more often than not the answer is staring us in the face, however, I have always stated that the best place to hide things is right in front of people's faces. It is again one of those human nature things to make situations more complicated than they need to be.

I absolutely considered that the original grower might have only been growing Chem/Dawg (before it was called that) and it went hermmie. But again, it is just one of those mysteries about the Chem/Dawg family, the truth never to be known outside of a select few individuals.

And of course Chem was growing Chem/Dawg, but he and his close group of friends, many of whom were growers also, had other varieties they were working with before. Chem/Dawg is just what really gave them an edge in the market, and got popular. But that was because it really is a special variety of Cannabis and very often, even now with all high potency varieties around, the best people have smoked.

 

[OhighO]

I still think chem/og are of skunk and Afghan decent. They were very common back then and it's not hard to imagine a grower not realizing what they had was special and not keep it. Cloning was also not as popular in the 80s - early 90s as it is today. The Internet has changed growing and the exchange of info is very easy now.

 

[Booyah!]

sweet i just got the valley og cut. really excted about it cuz i heard good things.. shes still a baby but a viney ass little bitch... worst part about ogs. how viney they are. lower branches cant even hold themselves up, they just hang down or go straight out all retarded. real ogs at least, like the true og, the valley and $100 og does it real bad. i think even the tahoe. the pure kush too.

seems like a lot of the newer ones arent as viney and stretchy like the king louie, presidential, diamond, triple x, b real og. they have shorter internodal spacing and more brancy and bushy.

i ran the b real og recently and it was bomb. nothing crazy. just a regular og but bomb nonetheless. i always thought it was the same as the soul assasins cut but it is not. and i had a cypress hill og and i dont think that is the same as the soul assasin cut either but maybe. but im mothering out the presidential and b real right now, i just took a bunch of cuts to do a run with them.

anyone have any info on the presidential? i used to think it was just a label clubs threw on it like platinum but now i realize those are real cuts. the presidential is supposed to be a lemony og.. is it crossed with lemon skunk or just a more lemony phenotype??

and the platinum is supposedly crossed to platinum kush which is og x afghani???? something like that? i thought i heard the platinums had afghan in them.

any info on the diamond? it grows differently then most ogs with smaller but wider leaves and branches out better. its very easy to tell its the diamond, ive had it a few times and i know the look of it now. i can always tell. its not as fire but grows a lot easier. not as stupid.

and the original skywalker og is a pure og kush.. prolly an s1 but very bomb.. now there are many different phenos.. s1s im guessing and i think someone actually crossed the original skywalker (blueberry x mazar) to an og or people just assume the skywalker og is crossed with that blueberry mazar but its not.. the real skywalker og was just named skywalker.. nothing to do with that blueberry mazar strain. its confusing.

a very underrated og kush is the diablo.. i used to think nothing of it until i ran it and found out it is bomb as fuck. straight fire like the true and tahoe. i just got another cut to mother out and ima keep it around for many runs this time.

i havent had much luck with the triple x og but ima try one more time cuz i think ive only flowered out neglected plants of it. so ill see if its anything special.

Hey Slauson...great post, I was actually wondering how the 100 Dollar OG stacked up to the Valley--how do they smoke compared against each other?

Nice to hear a rundown and talk about how these old classics stack up against the new school cuts. Great info!

I thought platinum was an Afghani X Socal Master (from memory so may be wrong) that seems to be crossed into all the top shelf cuts once they become popular. Adds yield I'm sure.

I've heard the Diablo was an African cross...smells semi-bomb when I've run across it although I haven't had a good sample yet.

 

[slausongardens]

a few things..

chemdawg the man said out of the seeds there was some males that he culled cuz he didnt know any better. so it had to have been pollen from a missed male.. cuz a hermie would have been fem, no??

and i thought it was kind of agreed upon in the colorado area at least that chem dawg probably came from an old strain some bikers grew in colorado called pbud or dog bud or what not, many people say it was damn near the same as much as they can remember. or did i make this up in my mind somehow???

another thing, i thought i heard chem dawg them man got busted soon after that high times interview?? maybe that was just gossip...

and bubble chem was bubbleberry x chems sis?? did he have anything to do with snowdawg?

and to say he isnt a good breeder aint really accurate cuz if u have some of the best genetics in the world there aint much else to it other then space i guess. aint no secret trick you gotta perfect in chucking pollen, its all genetics and selection, but sometimes with genetics and elites the selections already done, u just gotta chuck the pollen.. so obviously the seed game was just something he was not interested in, thank god for JJ.

i cant wait to one day run the chem 4 and skunk va cut.. cuz the d is ridiculous dank.

keep this post decent peoples, we've all seen these arguements a million times over.

 

[slausongardens]

Hey Slauson...great post, I was actually wondering how the 100 Dollar OG stacked up to the Valley--how do they smoke compared against each other?

Nice to hear a rundown and talk about how these old classics stack up against the new school cuts. Great info!

I thought platinum was an Afghani X Socal Master (from memory so may be wrong) that seems to be crossed into all the top shelf cuts once they become popular. Adds yield I'm sure.

I've heard the Diablo was an African cross...smells semi-bomb when I've run across it although I haven't had a good sample yet.

thanks mang. i havent flowered the valley yet but that $100 og is fire.. definitely one of my favorites, when i got it i had big plans for it but it is a pain in the ass every way possible.. its viney and the branches just grow stupid, like the bottom ones will grow down lmao a lot of ogs do this but this one is like extra stupid and once it gets some size on it it starts to get hella finicky and do weird things.. its hard to keep a mother and damn near impossible to clone. makes the louie seem easy to clone. ive gotten a few to clone and i got a couple from clones that dont really look like it so i think theyre mislablels unless theyre just way healthier and took on a better structure.. im not sure but ill get the cut again and try to dial it in somehow.. the valley ive heard such great things especially about the flavor so i got plans for it. glad i came up on it.

and i think youre spot on with the platinum series.. afghani x master is what i heard, i didnt know socal master but it only makes sense.. makes me like it even more.. ive been seeing some very nice platinums around, its got me wanting to grab a platinum bubba.. i had a platinum skunk that was platinum og x skunk 1.. i didnt like it.. weird ass plant that took on all ogs bad traits..but i think its a crew of commercial growers in LA making those platinum crosses. they must have a nice afghan x socal master male that theyre playing with.. or maybe reversing stuff.. its crazy how many growers and breeders are out there that arent on the net cuz i see so many crazy crosses in the dispensaries that i never hear of online.. i guess sometimes we assume all growers are online haha.

and the diablo is a pure og kush.. prolly an s1, the buds are real similar to the true og.. i think the confusion came from a reeferman strain called diablo that was like blueberry x grapefruit so people thought it was that crossed with an og.. similar to the skywalker og but the skywalker is pure og kush too.. no blueberry mazar whatsoever. i too have seen sub par samples but i do know for a fact the real cut is truely some dank.

 

[Smoking Gun]

a few things..

chemdawg the man said out of the seeds there was some males that he culled cuz he didnt know any better. so it had to have been pollen from a missed male.. cuz a hermie would have been fem, no??

and i thought it was kind of agreed upon in the colorado area at least that chem dawg probably came from an old strain some bikers grew in colorado called pbud or dog bud or what not, many people say it was damn near the same as much as they can remember. or did i make this up in my mind somehow???

another thing, i thought i heard chem dawg them man got busted soon after that high times interview?? maybe that was just gossip...

and bubble chem was bubbleberry x chems sis?? did he have anything to do with snowdawg?

and to say he isnt a good breeder aint really accurate cuz if u have some of the best genetics in the world there aint much else to it other then space i guess. aint no secret trick you gotta perfect in chucking pollen, its all genetics and selection, but sometimes with genetics and elites the selections already done, u just gotta chuck the pollen.. so obviously the seed game was just something he was not interested in, thank god for JJ.

i cant wait to one day run the chem 4 and skunk va cut.. cuz the d is ridiculous dank.

keep this post decent peoples, we've all seen these arguements a million times over.

Slauson, to begin I must state that this is one of the most respectful threads on the subject of OG and Chem lines. Very few of these type of threads make it this far without any arguments breaking out. Not to say this thread is argument free, but even the arguments seem to be quite respectful. With that said I will move forward.

If Chem found males in the seeds it would have been seeds from the original grower and the bag Chem purchased. This is why all real Chem/Dawg cuts are clone only, because Chem never kept the males to breed with. So again, the parent pollen of Chem/Dawg is totally unknown, it could have been self pollinated, pollinated by another hermmie plant, or a missed male. We just don't know because we do not know what happened in the original growers space.

As for the story of Chem/Dawg being P-bud or Dog Bud, I have heard that too, but again from what I can tell that is still not 100% corroborated. But again, even if it was one of those two buds originally the seeds my hold slightly different genes and traits, making it unique.

I wasn't suggesting that Chem is not capable of breeding, its just that he hasn't seemed to make an attempt to breed regularly or start a seed company.

As for Chem being busted after the High Times interview, I remember hearing that did happen, however I am not positive. I do believe he has had some legal issues over the years, and that may also be another reason he keeps a low profile. But again, I do not know the man personally so I cannot be absolutely sure about any of that.

I do not know about SnowDawg, but according to Jason King's Cannabible 3 Chem, or at least his crew, was involved in creating Supersnowdawg, which is Snow X Skunk (likely the Mass Super Skunk that the crew had for years) X BubbleChem. Now this could be inaccurate, as Jason King's books are not always 100% accurate, no fault of his own, King just goes on what the growers and breeders tell him.

Personally I would spend more time looking for the Skunk VA cut, I have tried a bud of it once and it was awesome. I am honestly not much of a fan of Chem 4. I had it for a while, grew it out twice in a cabinet, had a friend do a whole table of them and ultimately I got rid of the cut. It produced a respectable weight but I felt the flavor was lacking, especially compared to the D and the '91.

I am going to add a bit more confusion to this conversation. But back in the day it does seem that the Chem/Dawg line was know as Diesel. Or more accurately Diesel was one of the original seeds Chem popped. The Diesel really seems to be where all the hype around this family started. Somewhere along the lines this cut seems to have disappeared, however I have a feeling it is now going around as one of the Chem/Dawg cuts. This Diesel cut seems to be what spawned Sour Diesel, Headbad, and in my opinion the original OG. So while we all refer to the family as Chem/Dawg, maybe we may learn a bit more if we go back to referring to the family as the Diesel family of plants. I came across a bud of Diesel back in the late 90's, and didn't have anything like it again until 7 or 8 years later. At the time I originally came across the Diesel bud I thought someone had tampered with it to give it that fuel flavor. But now it is a trait I look for specifically.

 

[slausongardens]

^^ yeah man this thread is cool.. i love how its gone this far without turning into bullshit, thats why i hope it can keep moving along nicely.

i wasnt trying to argue anything, just read a few posts and posted what ive heard about certain statements, none of it fact, all of it just talk.

and that diesel youre talking about is probably the original diesel head band daywrecker cut dont you think?? thats the cut that spawned sour d and the others as well.. imo its better then sour d and is an amazing cut..

thanks for the info on the 4 and the 91.

 

[Dr. Purpur]

We have been running the old Headband cut for some years. We got it in Honeydew, Humboldt. Over the years we have found a few S1s in pounds of it. Last year er ran some of those S1s, and found two cuts that were even better then the original clone. We also have a seed grown OG Kush, that came from the old "Original Cut. It's got WOW! Flavor an quality.

So I guess these are the Purpur cuts of Headband and OG.

 

[subrob]

Daywrecker aka original diesel aka headband is 91chem x n.l./mss
its become my workhorse