bigdaddyc9
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I am a diabetic on insulin and I used one of syringes to inject Madagascar Vanilla into a few buds near the base.No taste of it followed so maybe I did it too soon..Peace BigD
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Worthwhile additives for smell\flavor?
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I use horticulural molasses in the beginning to put a little sulphur and other shit in the soil, then I started to use unsulphured cooking molasses the last half of flower because too much sulphur harshens the smoke. Perfect balance between bangin' bouquet and silky smoothness.
BTW the generic brand Whole Foods molasses is SO GOOD when you open the bottle the quality smacks you in the face.
BTW the generic brand Whole Foods molasses is SO GOOD when you open the bottle the quality smacks you in the face.
From a heavy metal perspective, cadmium ( occurs naturally in phosphate rock) is the biggest issue and the source of the cadmium affects the binding rate to soil.
Chems users can only use one cycle of chem nutes in soil due to the next run would show high, quicker binding rates of metals (specially if the same chem is used). In organic gardening crop rotation of the fert helps to stop heavy metal accumulation and makes the soil more healthy..
Fertilizer product database with metal content
http://agr.wa.gov/PestFert/Fertilizers/FertDB/Product1.aspx
Crop Fertilization and Heavy Metal Accumulation in Soils
http://www.ipni.net/ppiweb/ppibase.nsf/$webindex/article=9A1FF87B85256CF3001DDABC3D1F2EB3
Case studies
http://agr.wa.gov/PestFert/Fertilizers/Metals.aspx#WaStateStudies
An organic input is not as clean as some mineral-derived plant foods. The dynamic of the discussion changes if we're talking about outdoor vs indoor but I was merely commenting on your 'medicinal' remark as I cannot imagine cleaner meds than those grown properly indoors in a soiless medium with clean salts.
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Billy Ocean
My fingers leave a heavy fish odor on the nugs...
PeopleWish
Active member
This ^
Look a few plants foods up and compare: http://oda.state.or.us/dbs/heavy_metal/search.lasso
Jack's Classic, H&G's Aqua Flakes, you'd have to look pretty hard to find organic plant foods with lower heavy metal contents than those.
Soil microorganisms:
In addition to producing humus, the soil microorganisms breakdown and/or bind a variety of organic and inorganic materials to clean up corrupted or polluted soils - petroleum products, synthetic pesticides, and heavy metals included.
That's why in organics we create environments with protozoa, fungi, bacteria, actinomycetesalgaes, nematodes etc... They take care of those heavy metals. I don't think you are understanding that portion...
PS. You cant always go by the amount of heavy metals in fertilizer. Depending on the source, the binding to soil is different.
You can choose to believe whatever you'd like (in regards to the cleanliness of your product). Here is a good read: http://www.hindawi.com/journals/ijce/2011/939161/
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The link you provided does not accommodate what you are saying. This study was done on a non cannibus plant that was polluted with petrochemical (Oh my .. I wonder if salt nutes uses petrochemicals???) rainwater. Totally not in the league of our conversation. Besides your article only backs up what I stated....
FYI- Cannibus is known to most accumulate: Potassium, Silica
"The objectives of this paper are to discuss the potential of phytoremediation technique on treating heavy metal-contaminated side, to provide a brief view about heavy metals uptake mechanisms by plant, to give some description about the performance of several types of plants to uptake heavy metals and to describe about the fate of heavy metals in plant tissue, especially on arsenic (As), lead (Pb), and mercury (Hg). This study is related to a research project that aims to identify potential plants in tropical country such as Malaysia which can uptake heavy metal contaminants from petrochemical wastewater."
Lets continue with the article you provided:
"The breakdown of contaminants in the soil through microbial activity that is enhanced by the presence of the root zone is called rhizodegradation. This process uses microorganisms to consume and digest organic substances for nutrition and energy. Natural substances released by the plant roots, sugars, alcohols, and acids, contain organic carbon that provides food for soil microorganisms and establish a dense root mass that takes up large quantities of water. This process is for organic substance contaminants in soil medium [29, 31]."
And read this one:
"Metal accumulating plant species can concentrate heavy metals like Cd, Zn, Co, Mn, Ni, and Pb up to 100 or 1000 times those taken up by nonaccumulator (excluder) plants. In most cases, microorganisms bacteria and fungi, living in the rhizosphere closely associated with plants, may contribute to mobilize metal ions, increasing the bioavailable fraction. Their role in eliminating organic contaminants is even more significant than that in case of inorganic compounds [39, 40].
Now lets look at case studies that are relevant to our conversation:
Experiments in semi-natural conditions were undertaken to assess hemp metal tolerance and its ability to accumulate cadmium, nickel and chromium. Cannabis sativa was grown in two soils, S1 and S2, containing 27, 74, 126 and 82, 115, 139 mgrg g–1 of Cd, Ni and Cr, respectively. After two months from germination and at ripeness, no significant alteration in plant growth or morphology was detected. On the contrary, a high hemp reactivity to heavy metal stress with an increase in phytochelatin and DNA content was observed during development, suggesting the Cannabis sativa ability to avoid cell damage by activating different molecular mechanisms. Metals were preferentially accumulated in the roots and only partially translocated to the above-ground tissues. The mean shoot Cd content was 14 and 66 mgrg."
http://www.springerlink.com/content/n7n208137g315120/
Need more proof?
Soil pH, metal bioavailability and plant metal uptake were not influenced by mycorrhization. The organ metal concentrations were not statistically different between inoculated and non-inoculated plants, apart from Ni which concentration was significantly higher in stem and leaf of inoculated plants grown in contaminated soil. The distribution of absorbed metals inside plant was related to the soil heavymetal concentrations: in plant grown in non-contaminated soil the greater part of absorbed Cr and Ni was found in shoots and no significant difference was determined between inoculated and non-inoculated plants. On the contrary, plants grown in artificially contaminated soil accumulated most metal in root organ. In this soil, mycorrhization significantly enhanced the translocation of all the three metals from root to shoot. The possibility to increase metalaccumulation in shoot is very interesting for phytoextraction purpose, since most high producing biomass plants, such as non-mycorrhized hemp, http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0045653504009634retain most heavymetals in roots, limiting their application.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0045653504009634retain
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That's good info, thanks for the links. For the sake of clean meds, hopefully you're working with the right combination of microflora to combat the higher heavy metal content of organic inputs because in regards to 'filtration' and trans location, that does matter. I'll just rely on cleaner inputs.
chem vrs organics. aint going there. to each their own. chems gave me higher yields. organics gives me the best taste and smells but lower yield. organics is easier once you get your ammendments down. and fuck ph testing,ppm testing no need. i can harvest seaweed from the ocean and wormcastings from my wormbin. wont be long before i can provide most of what i need without leaving my yard. thats why i grow organic.
Yes!! Yes!!... Its all about the microflora!!!
When recycling your soil, you would not believe the microflora that flourishes when done correctly....
I just want to make sure facts are represented correctly here. Not trying to rain on anybody's parade... Thanks for the dialogue!
When recycling your soil, you would not believe the microflora that flourishes when done correctly....
I just want to make sure facts are represented correctly here. Not trying to rain on anybody's parade... Thanks for the dialogue!
Dorky
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how do you know this? And i find this very interesting as i use a Sulfur based sugar.
I have noticed it a lot in references of my studies..
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...y4DwAg&usg=AFQjCNECrIFREO7L7KAcZf2U2sT55kW2Pg
"Phytoalexins are defined as low-M r, anti-microbial compounds that are both synthesized by and accumulate in plants after exposure to micro-organisms (Mansfield, 2000). A wide range of organic compounds such as phenolics and terpenoids has been identified as phytoalexins and they are synthesized from remote precursors. Although some phytoalexins are well known for their role in pathogen resistance in plants, the idea that elemental S (S0), which has long been used by man as a protectant fungicide, may similarly function in defense, is relatively new (Cooper et al., 1996; Resende et al., 1996). In the typical, multiple phytoalexin response of resistant cultivars of Theobroma cacao to the vascular pathogenVerticillium dahliae, the most fungitoxic of four phytoalexins was S0. It accumulated to fungitoxic levels in xylem and not in other tissues and persisted for >60 d. This was the first report of S0 as an induced antimicrobial substance and of any inorganic element (other than structural functions in cell walls of calcium or silicon) contributing directly to active defense (Cooper et al., 1996). Elemental S formation is a property of many specialized prokaryotes (Schmidt et al., 1987; Visser et al., 1997; Reinartz et al., 1998) but until recently had only been described in eukaryotes for a few algae (Ikawa et al., 1973; Izak et al., 1982; Kraus et al., 1984). It appears however, that this phenomenon may be more widespread and elemental S could have a frequent role in pathogen resistance. S could function in preformed defenses as suggested by its occurrence in the cuticular wax of several gymnosperms and angiosperms (Kylin et al., 1994). It may also be associated with hypersensitivity, a rapid, localized apoptotic response, and the phenotypic expression of many major genes for disease resistance (Jabs and Slusarenko, 2000)"
http://www.plantphysiol.org/content/128/1/150.full
Humates and fulvates..and triacontriol and other growth hormones.. and molasses (and fructose, xylose etc..) And epsom salts. Each will help on their own, but together.....oh boy! This is the secret.. Ganja uses the organic acids as building blocks for the terpenes, they chelate elements it and you want in the plant and lock up heavy shit you don't. Tria' and the likes kicks up cell replication and creates demand for sugars, like in molasses, which also feed the soils' microbial cascade. They also increase direct uptake dramatically of said sugars. Epsom salts provides enough sulphur and magnesium to keep metabolic processes lubed along. That is the just of it.
Also, enough phosphates and potassium to keep buds happy so aged chicken and pig manure, bonemeal and rock phosphate should be mixed in the compost base. Also enough dolomite lime to balance the acidity of all the additives so the plant can access the minerals.
The above recommendation is for outdoor.
You can go as fancy and expensive with products as you want or you can achieve this simply at low cost with earthworms, compost, kelp, lucerne and molasses it is up to you. It is just simple chemistry and biology/symbioses, that is how you get the full potential of flavor for your given genetic. ACT foliar sprays made with the above also kick the terpenes up.
Also, enough phosphates and potassium to keep buds happy so aged chicken and pig manure, bonemeal and rock phosphate should be mixed in the compost base. Also enough dolomite lime to balance the acidity of all the additives so the plant can access the minerals.
The above recommendation is for outdoor.
You can go as fancy and expensive with products as you want or you can achieve this simply at low cost with earthworms, compost, kelp, lucerne and molasses it is up to you. It is just simple chemistry and biology/symbioses, that is how you get the full potential of flavor for your given genetic. ACT foliar sprays made with the above also kick the terpenes up.
dont forget the alfalfa LOL ^^^^^^^^
