Lucas VS. Advanced Nutrients

[Ohmless]

what page has the comparison result? I am sick of hearing bashing. Don't like the price, don't pay for it.

FWIW, my best results have been with GH flora series, molasses, big bud, and maxicrop.

 

[TURBD]

@colorado.
My working out the price per oz was so I would know what I was spending. Not to see how much I could make. Posted only because somone was saying the ROI with AN wasn't worth it.
As for pesticides, I belive in prevention insted of extermination.
I wouldn't grow anything I wouldn't consume myself.
Like I stated before I am by no means a "master grower" I have used AN with good results.
It may not be the cheapest, easiest to use, over hyped whatever. It works if used properly.
I will try others. I will try organic. I like trying new things and don't hate others for doing what they want.
Have a nice day.

 

[hugetom80s]

@colorado.
My working out the price per oz was so I would know what I was spending. Not to see how much I could make. Posted only because somone was saying the ROI with AN wasn't worth it.
As for pesticides, I belive in prevention insted of extermination.
I wouldn't grow anything I wouldn't consume myself.
Like I stated before I am by no means a "master grower" I have used AN with good results.
It may not be the cheapest, easiest to use, over hyped whatever. It works if used properly.
I will try others. I will try organic. I like trying new things and don't hate others for doing what they want.
Have a nice day.

That's very cool. I wish more people could be like that.

Seems like way too often you see Guy A spend more money on something than Guy B did, and so Guy B has to tell Guy A he's an idiot and bunch of other names. And usually they bought completely different things in the same category that were actually priced different for a reason. Sometimes I suspect Guy B wants to believe he's the savvy consumer of paying less to cover up wishing he could afford the more expensive option.

But I'm not going to point fingers or anything because I don't know anyone well enough to make any claims to why they do this or that. Like you, I try not to throw hate where it isn't deserved and even then I strive to be someone who still doesn't hate. I don't always succeed in that but I'm not perfect, not by a long shot.


No two people look at money the same way. A starving man looks at a hundred dollar bill and sees food for weeks. A wealthy man sees the same bill and wouldn't miss it if it flew off on the wind.

Every perspective is different, which means that to say that something that is too expensive from your perspective is true for all perspectives is perhaps a little arrogant. If we don't allow other people to have different opinions on things that are quite honestly entirely subjective to begin with we're suggesting that our perspective is the only valid one.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that an excellent description of arrogance?

 

[SunSimulator]

nice thread ! makes ya go humm

 

[Blaz3]

What is better,Lucas formula using original Gen Hydro Bloom/Micro..or using the KISS method with dry Maxibloom?


And will either formula greatly benefit by adding liquid koolbloom,followed by dry koolbloom in the end?


Will Maxibloom by ITSELF,create huge,resinous main colas?...

 

[hugetom80s]

What is better,Lucas formula using original Gen Hydro Bloom/Micro..or using the KISS method with dry Maxibloom?


And will either formula greatly benefit by adding liquid koolbloom,followed by dry koolbloom in the end?


Will Maxibloom by ITSELF,create huge,resinous main colas?...

Don't take this the wrong way but the questions you're asking indicate you probably don't really understand how this works.

Which is better? The one you grow best with. Look around the forums a little, you'll see plenty of people arguing that this or that is better than the other. There are few things everyone agrees on. Hell, most people will tell you to stay away from Miracle Grow (beyond the obvious "Scotts is an evil company" reasons). And yet there are some people that will swear up and down they can grow just as well or better than anyone else using nothing but MG. Granted, they're probably MG stooges but the point is you'll see someone backing any possible opinion you can think of and a bunch you can't.

Heaven forbid you're like me and like Advanced Nutrients. Some people will practically crucify you on the spot for that.

My advice is to try different things and see what you like best.

Just make sure you study, study, study and understand what your plants need to be happy so you can be certain to give them at least that much.

 

[TribalSeeds]

Myself when I rock AN . I find I do really great with Jungle Juice Lucas , BigBud , B52 ,Bud Candy ,Over Drive. Maybe add a .5 grm of epsoms per gallon

If youre using bud candy and epsom salts, something is terribly wrong!

 

[DrFever]

i find most nutrient companies will try to sell you a shit load of stuff
keep to the basics find a line that is pretty decent
purchase VEG A and B and bloom A and B , cal-mag, ,supermax B , grozome <--- that is a must helps break down nutrients as well as plant waste, even carbo boost is not bad of a idea but it can get pricey fulvixes and humixes and your set for monster yields
then find your self some extra bloom booster i use jurrasic bloom its wicked

 

[juggo]

Lucas never let me down...gh is good stuff...salt is salt.

peace,
juggo

 

[medmaker420]

I have done the lucas formula with advanced micro/bloom as well as their jungle juice micro/bloom as well as gh micro/bloom

it all does what it does

 

[Mtn Dew]

If youre using bud candy and epsom salts, something is terribly wrong!

I use these in tiny bits not as directed due to maxi or the lucas 2 part has almost everything in it . when i say tiny i mean like 1/10th of whats called for on additives

 

[vaped]

I just said it in another post but for most of my plants bigbud , overdrive, and bud candy, along with floranova base nutes have given me results far better than anything organic or inorganic I have tried.

 

[hugetom80s]

Lucas never let me down...gh is good stuff...salt is salt.

True, salt is salt, but that's imprecise.

Say you want to make something out of plain old sodium chloride (you wouldn't use it in fertilizers but everyone's familiar with common table salt). Where do you buy it in large quantities? A chemical supplier.

But wait, are you wanting iodized salt? Because much of the sodium chloride we use to season food is iodized salt, meaning it's not pure sodium chloride. Sea salt isn't pure sodium chloride. In fact, I'd bet you dollars to donuts your average person wouldn't know how to lay their hands on pure sodium chloride if their lives depended on it and money were no object.

Pure anything costs a ton more money than "good enough".

Same goes for fertilizer salts. Ammonia Nitrate or whatever is not that hard to find. Try to find it pure? Holy crap, that's a lot of money and not a small undertaking. So clearly we're talking about grades of purity, not absolute purity. Laboratory grade and commercial grade are two entirely different things. It's the same "salt is salt" kind of thing, but that's not the whole story. There's other impurities in it as well and that's the real question: what are those impurities and how much of them are there?


Add to that the minor point that absolutely no nutrient company is publishing its full recipe - you're at best going to figure out one or two of the main source fertilizer salts, out of dozens of them - and it's even less useful to say "salts are salts". Sure they are, but you don't know which salts are being used so you can't say for sure if the recipes are even close to the same.


It takes a considerable amount of lab work to break down a product and figure out what the components that went into it were originally. When you consider that probably none of those ingredients were pure to begin with, it's even harder to figure out what is there because it was wanted and what is there because it came along for the ride in the form of impurities in the actual ingredients. And that's all above and beyond the practice of employing masking agents to deliberately make your product harder to reverse-engineer.


So yes, salts are salts. But that's not the whole story.

If there were a product on the shelf that was an exact copy of another product on the shelf, someone would be suing someone else. There are differences. Some subtle, some not so subtle.

Are the differences enough to make any noticeable difference on our end? Not always. But sometimes. Even when we're talking about something like Jungle Juice that was specifically designed to be completely indistinguishable from GH's Flora series it won't be possible to duplicate it exactly. Everything I've seen and heard suggests that you can't tell the difference between the two by how it works and how your plants grow - but you can be certain a lab can tell them apart.

 

[siftedunity]

another thread made to bash AN. how lame

 

[Stonefree69]

Same goes for fertilizer salts. Ammonia Nitrate or whatever is not that hard to find. Try to find it pure? Holy crap, that's a lot of money and not a small undertaking. So clearly we're talking about grades of purity, not absolute purity. Laboratory grade and commercial grade are two entirely different things. It's the same "salt is salt" kind of thing, but that's not the whole story. There's other impurities in it as well and that's the real question: what are those impurities and how much of them are there?

The best I go for is usually reagent grade (like say w/ 99% isopropyl alcohol). That last 1% could cost you an arm and a leg.

 

[FOE20]

I run over 20 diff varieties on avr but I use AN, Botanicare, SuperNaturalBrand and a few other bits n tits...Its not what you use but how you use it and allot of ppl are saying this..Just matters what they have to use or pref to use or even are able to get locally..
But in any case you def gata dial each type unless you get lucky enough to mono crop a mixed set of very similar genetics..
Nute lines can alter the profiles for sure but if you add a lil organics to salt based it will bring out more of the profile but adding organics to a sterile inert method can be tricky..
I didn't care for GH or Lucas myself for quality and it needed a organic additive as mentioned prior..Not bad tho and Ive had much worse..
AN is made for Canna tho right?...so Id consider that as well..their not bad tho and you def don;t need all the stuff they give you options to use..If KISS is applied to AN it works great..My only uncertainty on AN is it does add a certain acrid dank tone that seems almost unnatural at times..Still its very clean to use if used lightly..and when ya add a lil organics and carbs..whooo...
hell atm I use a list of stuff in combinations..and love it..and it doesn't take that long to do at all..and I dont use any measuring devices either beside the cap to the bottles...or beside metering my nute bucket at times to ensure the amounts I give are consistent..simple enough..
My Tools atm for a PMix/coco base which is very Bio-Hydro is....
Main line nutes(macros) -
Botanicares PBP Grow/SoilBloom
ANs pH-P Grow/Bloom A&B of both...but I started using Sensi line first with similar results just switched to pH-Perfect cause I wanted to try it and not have to balance or check pH....
----Nitro/micro or kelp-mineral boosters----
AN micro - for Micro its prob one of the best on the market for what Canna needs in mineral supplement..
AlaskanFishEmu
Maxicrop

--Bloom pre-set and flower booster--
BudBlood
BudBlaster
BigBud or KoolBloom - don;t use it atm at all but have in exchange for other boosters..

----carbs and mineral----
CarboLoad
Sucanat
HiBrix

-- Odd stuff testing --
X brand AminoBlast
SeaGreen micro boost

--- For GH Lucas I used mostly the Flora line ---
1 big problem I had with GH and Lucas was it did not pH out to 5.8 or 6.0 after mixing..I still had to pH down and actually it would still rise quite quickly..Always test your nute mix in a bubbling rese for 24hrs or more before use to see how it fluxes naturally..and test run off at times to see how the plants act in uptake...
Grow - hardly ever
Bloom
Micro
Floralisious?
and tried FNovaBloom as well...this semed to help with the lack of flav issue allot in GH base line...FNB is N heavy tho so its only used lightly in early bloom to kick it all off...Then back to GH-Bloom, some carbs and P-K boosters..(BBlaster, or OpenSesame for preset tho...molasses, sucanat, or Carbo for carbs)

anyway I ran GHs and guess Lucas style a yr or so ago and have bloom pics that I can share..as well as the AN line doing its thing now..To be real theres not enough diff to matter...only a slight matter of taste and choice...happy growing
FOE20

 

[vanilla moon]

another thread made to bash AN. how lame

so sensitive....

 

[siftedunity]

so sensitive....

no man im not sensitive. the whole AN bash just gets soo fucking boring. its just over the top. live and let live i say. you dont like it? dont buy it. like it? use it! no need for all the arguments/bashing is there?

i use an, canna, h&g, the lot. they have good products they have not so good products. the sad fact is the haters and moaners never used AN anyway. its like a broken record now.

live and let live..

 

[ubi]

I second that sifted.

 

[TribalSeeds]

Things that make you go hmmm

Things that make you go hmmm

Why arent other nute lines being bashed?