Is it ever safe to breed with Hermis?

[bajangreen]

this season i ended up with 30 females 5 hermies, is it ok to breed with hermies? in this case i don't have any males so what do i do? it is also a little late to take cutting safely i will try though and also try to re veg. all this is gonna happen outdoors in the tropics BTW.

 

[vertigo0007]

IMO its not a good idea, as theoffspring will bemore inclined to exibit hermaphroditic tendancies. But, all fem seeds are just hermies produced in a controlled manner. og18 seeds are produced by taking a hermie, hermaphroditing it to itself, growing out all the seeds, selecting the stinkiest heaviest one, then hermaphroditing that to itself and viola! Og 18 seeds. Just be prepared to hunt for hermie flowers and nanners. Until you pick the right ones.

 

[bajangreen]

looks like i may have to pull out the CS generator, i got 4 cuts from the best growing plants that just rooted, was gonna keep them for mums maybe i will reverse two of them, but how much pollen could i get from 5in tall cuts? looking for an (oz of seed)

Really though, can a hermie dad to a female mum produce male offspring? or would i get like 50% hermie 50% female?

 

[supermanlives]

i have used hermy dads 2 times. one with c99 and once with sour bubble. no herm offspring in the females ,normal m/f ratios. but i like to experiment and read what dj wrote about it.

 

[bajangreen]

well i have no choice to use them to cross this F1 gen other wise i will have to start all over from P1 glade to hear you have done it already with good results supermanlives i will document what happens my self. i wonder how much that would effect the strain further on down the line?

 

[Storm Shadow]

Avoid the Nightmare early if you can

 

[bajangreen]

if i get the cuts to reverse in time and get S1 seed i would be happy and cross those with a male from a breeder pack, thinking blueberry of citral kush. my fingers are crossed though.

i just pulled one of the Hermies and found 40 or so seed will plant them in a spot far away Juillan style and see what the results are, i don't wanna lose this strain but NO males in the F1 just sucks.

 

[GMT]

it all depends on who you ask, and in some cases, when you ask them.
When superman says he used hermy dads, he means the males showed pistils, not the females showed balls. Thats a fault in the Y chrom so it wouldn't affect the female offspring.
What you are talking about is using a faulty x chrom, which will affect all of the offspring. There is a thread on here claiming males can be found in S1 seeds, but they can't.
If the offspring inherit one good x, and one bad x, then the results are unpredictable at best. The F3 gen though will have 25% of the offspring having 2 dodgey X's though, and I would expect these to be full blown hermies.

 

[bajangreen]

Let me get this right, if i use a hermi to cross my F1 and make F2s they would be ok but the F3 would be 25% hermis? i am a little confuzed. just planted 30 of them beans

Thanks in advance?

 

[GMT]

There's no guarantee that the F2's will be good, but no guarantee they wont be. At F3, 75% will have a faulty gene line though, 25% should be golden (good for you) 75% will contain the flawed gene line (the 25% with 2 faulty x's and 50% with 1 flawed gene line). Anything with a flawed gene line may hermy but isn't guaranteed.

 

[MiMedicineMan]

There's no guarantee that the F2's will be good, but no guarantee they wont be. At F3, 75% will have a faulty gene line though, 25% should be golden (good for you) 75% will contain the flawed gene line (the 25% with 2 faulty x's and 50% with 1 flawed gene line). Anything with a flawed gene line may hermy but isn't guaranteed.

Is this something we can see visually GMT generation after generation changing, or you won't notice it until its too lake and your gene pool has gone to shit? theres no other way to know except to see naners or make crosses?

 

[supermanlives]

i have never used a hermy female. dont plan on it either. thanks gmt. hell i wouldnt of ever tried hermy males till i read what dj wrote.

 

[GMT]

without lab equip, the only method available is suck it and see I'm afraid. You can try progeny testing, but by that point you've spent min 3 months making the F2s and 3 more making the F3s. You would still have 25% that were great at F3, but how to identify them? Pheno expression would tell you if they were bad, but not necessarily if they held a bad x, so identifying the good 25% would be trial and error, not to mention you'd still need to be reversing one parent, so you'd need to grow them out first to identify which didn't herm naturally. It would always be better to avoid the confusion to start with, but I do get that its not always easy to do that. If you really love the strain, I'd take a clone and keep it till I found a natural male to cross it with.

 

[supermanlives]

take clones and try cs or something similar .make female seeds to start. something i have yet to try .

 

[sso]

it depends on how bad they hermi.

i have had a few wonderful plants, that hermied bit (About 1 seed per bud or so.)

totally worth it and each seed made an exact replica of the parent.


if its more than a bit, then i wouldnt bother. (some of the greatest plants are hermies, but if its just tons of pollen and little bud, then why the fuck bother?)

if it had 2 seeds per bud, it would have to be spectacular for me to bother.

 

[Sat X RB]

Tony Bower, Australia's 'medicine man' says that pollen from a female sex-altered is the most potent pollen.

by female sex-altered I mean a female plant that throws a male flowering branch.

I have been 'feminising' a sativa strain this way for 16 grows and my seeds run 80% female ... one year 100% female.

so, YES ... pollinate away!

 

[GMT]

what are you claiming the other 20% as, male or hermy?
potency is irrelevant with pollen,so long as some of it is viable, then the rest is of no consequence as its not pollinating anything, that medicine man has been taking too much medicine.

 

[bajangreen]

i wanna keep some cuts and look for a F2 male out of the set from the hermi to back cross. maybe i should use all the males i find in the batch to maintain diversity.

How comes a Hermi can produce male offspring?

 

[GMT]

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[Oregonism]

Hermaphrodite...this one goes back to 2007
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=60691&highlight=hermaphrodite&page=1

"Hermie-phobia"
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=11117&highlight=hermaphrodite

s1 males?
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=231950