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[ixnay007]

You can breed a line of S1s, but you could also do F1s from the pollen, in fact, I think F1's would be more what Tom Hill was talking about.. male pollen from a proven female, onto a different proven female. That way you can select more confidently, as you can be pretty sure a good number of resulting plants will have traits resembling the parents.

Instead of looking for a male that can do it, you just skip that step.

 

[VerdantGreen]

yeah i just made a fem cross of Bubba kush and a tried and tested sharksbreath cut ive had for years. i grew out a couple and the results were very promising. one plant had vary large and dense buds

Selfing a cut to make S1s can be a good way to back up the genetics without 'muddying the waters' so to speak with other genetics like you would in a bx, but it depends on how true-breeding the cut is. S1s cause genetic segregation in a similar way to an f2 generation - so selfing a multi hybrid may well result in huge variation and only a tiny proportion of the offspring resembling the parent.... but selfing something that is reasonably true breeding can result in most of the offspring being similar.
and of course you could go on and self some of the S1s to make S2s and so on... but you are seriously reducing the genetic information each time and of course you will never get any males.

if i want to just get a cut in seed form then S1s are well worth a try, but if i wanted to try and make a seed 'line' out of a cut i would probably go down the bx route with regular seeds.

with bubba im doing both, but as bubba is quite true breeding the S1s are all quite close to the cut.
Bubba kush S1

VG

 

[VerdantGreen]

i know gascan has done quite a lot of breeding work so he might add to this. as i said im no expert but im really enjoying studying the genetics side... and making seeds with cannabis plants is something ive always messed about with - that way the males dont just go to waste.

VG

 

[GetUpStandUp]

yeah i just made a fem cross of Bubba kush and a tried and tested sharksbreath cut ive had for years. i grew out a couple and the results were very promising. one plant had vary large and dense buds
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Selfing a cut to make S1s can be a good way to back up the genetics without 'muddying the waters' so to speak with other genetics like you would in a bx, but it depends on how true-breeding the cut is. S1s cause genetic segregation in a similar way to an f2 generation - so selfing a multi hybrid may well result in huge variation and only a tiny proportion of the offspring resembling the parent.... but selfing something that is reasonably true breeding can result in most of the offspring being similar.
and of course you could go on and self some of the S1s to make S2s and so on... but you are seriously reducing the genetic information each time and of course you will never get any males.

if i want to just get a cut in seed form then S1s are well worth a try, but if i wanted to try and make a seed 'line' out of a cut i would probably go down the bx route with regular seeds.

with bubba im doing both, but as bubba is quite true breeding the S1s are all quite close to the cut.
Bubba kush S1
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VG

Hubba Hubba, man thats like watching a hot chic walk buy knowing she is so FINE!!! nice plant man, no faults at all that I see, the mix sounds great as well.

 

[IncredibowlBoss]

Today I dealt with a hose rupturing, microscopic pests, and a neighbor complaining about a skunk/chemical smell. Hope y'all had a better weekend!!!

 

[shmalphy]

My weekend went great, I built an 8x20 greenhouse out of pallets and recycled film from a greenhouse that was changing theirs.

 

[Toes.]

Try to confirm the species and their diet and lifecycle. You may be able to nurture them to multiply and keep your plant eaters under control.

we have 14-15 different indigenous types of rove beetle here... MM I think I've correctly identified 2 and a push.

A pear shaped one with a yellow stripe, looks like a roach almost. a long wasp x assassin bug looking one, it always has an arched tail section, and one that looks like an earwig. and of course I have earwigs in the compost pile too. so it may just be juvenile earwigs...

I can't keep seem to keep them alive inside... but I'm working on it.

 

[BlueJayWay]

Well I'm doing a little side by side action, have a dozen going into flower, 4 are in reused un-tilled 5gal buckets that had 12hrs downtime from last harvest lol, top dressed with a little kelp, crab, neem and a couple inches of EWC. the other 8 are in new (reused) amended soil. We shall see!

 

[Atlantic Allele]

Is there a mail order company equivalent to http://www.concentratesnw.com/products/Retail%20Master.pdf for the East Coast?

 

[IncredibowlBoss]

Great find AA - too bad I'm not up that way!

Anyone know anything about Tri-Tek as a miticide? I know it's it's 80% mineral oil - but what makes up the other 20% inert materials? I'm thinking just water and a saponin, but wondering if anyone knows for sure.

 

[shmalphy]

I found these little camphor blocks today, going to try putting them in the grow room to see if they repel mites. Just hoping they don't affect the smell/taste...

 

[ixnay007]

I'm thinking they might, think about what happens to clothing when you leave mothballs in there..

 

[shmalphy]

I got rid of them once I realized that camphor was what mothballs are made of... I hate that smell.. Looks like my shed won't have moths for awhile LOL. It is amazing how much smell something that small puts off.

I remembered reading about lavender with a higher camphor content being better for repeling mites so I grabbed a pack when I seen them at the register at a store.

 

[Gascanastan]

i know gascan has done quite a lot of breeding work so he might add to this. as i said im no expert but im really enjoying studying the genetics side... and making seeds with cannabis plants is something ive always messed about with - that way the males dont just go to waste.

VG

Wurd VG,

Coming from my experience....
I always ask,"what do I want" when making selections...what is the goal? What do I want as compared to the next persons idea of traits that can possibly be passed on...keyword 'possibly'.

Am I looking to improve upon a type that has favorable characteristics or pass along something like more potency into a desirable but less potent type.

What do I want?....well I want it all...I want a high yielding sativa that finishes fast with a above average effect,good taste,good smell,bag appeal,positive growth traits,strong stems,PM resistance,hybrid vigor,easy to trim...too much to ask?.....maybe....maybe not.

I've all but abandoned hopes from seed vendors. I find better stuff in the crosses I make using old pre seed vendor types that haven't been fucked with.

I do it all,poly-hybrids,hybrids,S1's,Bx's,IBls...F1's,F2's,etc.

My latest objective is to take my keeper F2 female 'The One' x Blue Moon Rocks and hit her with a Bx1 The One x BMR male of desirable attributes and then stand back and cross my fingers.
If this is successful...meaning that if the offspring from this breeding show stable characteristics and hold with the traits that I consider worthy then I'll be happy.

On another line such as the Spacecheese x BMR I have a keeper F2 female that I hit with an F2 male....making F3 seed.

I also used that F2 male to hit a female Cheesequake.....yet another poly-hybrid batch of seed.

So what I thought was going to be an IBL has now been deviated from in favor of looking for a female Cheesequake x Spacecheese/BMR to hit using a favorable male Cheesequake x Spacecheese/BMR and then use those F1 seed males to do somewhat of a backcross to the original Spacecheese mother.

So...Romulan infested C99 and UK Cheese with some Blue Moon Rocks and Querkle thrown in for fun....weeeeeee

As for 'Vandana Shiva' (First release Kali Mist x Burmese/Cherry Bomb)...IBL all the way. The selection of desirable males and females to breed down the line.

The One x Cherry Bomb.....IBL

Blue Orca x Cherry Bomb...IBL

Blue Orca x NL#5/Haze....breeding project...whatever it takes to make this one happen. However I have to go at it to get what I want out of these.

 

[Gascanastan]

GS is working with me to get the water business off the ground. We're packing up 25 & 50 gallon units for the first rush of orders.

We'll supply the dried water and the end user just adds H2O!

Available at AcuteAngina.com - you bring the tooters.....

...update

Since forging ahead on the 'Sonic Vibration Water' project with Coot we've ran into a couple obstacles.
One being that we just couldn't figure out how to get all the sonic vibrations in the water.
The second obstacle being that we indeed have come to a disagreement about a couple things.

I wanted to add whole organic goats milk to the mammalian vibrations and he wanted to add some kind of pink salt from Nepal or something..to enhance the electrical vibrations of the sonic influx yo....

So we sprayed it with Eagle 20 and gave up.

 

[GeorgeSmiley]

...update

Since forging ahead on the 'Sonic Vibration Water' project with Coot we've ran into a couple obstacles.
One being that we just couldn't figure out how to get all the sonic vibrations in the water.
The second obstacle being that we indeed have come to a disagreement about a couple things.

I wanted to add whole organic goats milk to the mammalian vibrations and he wanted to add some kind of pink salt from Nepal or something..to enhance the electrical vibrations of the sonic influx yo....

So we sprayed it with Eagle 20 and gave up.

Hey nice to see ya Gasshole, how ya been

Look into a piece of lab equipment called the "sybian" for all your vibrating needs

GS

 

[BlueJayWay]

Have a spotter present when making use of an automatic sybian - ouch!

 

[YosemiteSam]

...update

Since forging ahead on the 'Sonic Vibration Water' project with Coot we've ran into a couple obstacles.
One being that we just couldn't figure out how to get all the sonic vibrations in the water.
The second obstacle being that we indeed have come to a disagreement about a couple things.

I wanted to add whole organic goats milk to the mammalian vibrations and he wanted to add some kind of pink salt from Nepal or something..to enhance the electrical vibrations of the sonic influx yo....

So we sprayed it with Eagle 20 and gave up.

I got a hold of NASA's Mohawk guy...he gave me a tip and it is working out pretty freakin good with the "sonic vibration water"...no goats milk or salt needed...of course though, Eagle 20 is a given on any grow





seriously, the bio teas might just be the best tip I ever listened to. A sap sucking insect bite here and there but no indication of any of the little bastards hanging around. Health wise these are the best looking plants I have ever grown.

Got a bunch of alfalfa, some 3 yr old horse shit and I will have a bunch of leaf to start my pile this yr...next yr add the worm bins

 

[shmalphy]

Looks like petco got you guys beat on the water game, I just saw a $5 pint of "betta fish water"...

 

[Cabinet]

Hey all. This page is extremely nice and full of invaluable info (and I'm only at page 20). For example, I went to the feed store yesterday and got 50 lbs of alfalfa meal, and it only cost $4 more than a 3 lbs box of alfalfa meal that I used to buy at the grow store. Honestly, I just want to tell the whole world

Thanks for this thread!