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Medical Cannabis Scene Going Underground

RetroGrow

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More evidence of the governments crackdown, and many medical growers are being forced back underground. Interesting story in the L.A. times about a grower/dealer, "Rickie". It's a long article so here is the link, and I will post part of it:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-pot-delivery-20120907,0,5541965,full.story

"A stocky onetime mortgage broker is speeding through Costa Mesa in an old pickup with two pounds of weed in a paper bag. He wears gray cargo shorts and flip-flops and a faded cap with the image of a marijuana leaf stitched on the front. He just smoked a joint thick as a knuckle.

Cypress Hill thumps through the cab.

I'll hit that bong and break ya off somethin' soon

I got ta get my props,

Cops, come and try to snatch my crops

These pigs wanna blow my house down

For a man whose apartment was raided recently and now faces felony drug possession and cultivation charges, he doesn't seem particularly worried about the mission at hand. Ricky rants about a federal and local crackdown on medical marijuana that closed various dispensaries that he ran and forced him back to the streets, where he began as a teenager in the 1970s. (Except then, he was a dealer. Now he is a "mobile dispensary.")

"It's too late!" he bellows. "The genie is out of the bottle. A huge demand has been created. It's back to the underground. Anyone who is smart is just going to take it back to the streets."

He says he knows lots of people scurrying to the shadows as the state has struggled and failed to regulate the medical cannabis industry and local law enforcement agencies and the federal government have tried to curtail it.

It's an easy journey to the underground, as the line between the legal and illegal markets in California has always been sketchy. The medical cannabis trade did not rise from a boardroom meeting when voters passed the medical marijuana initiative Proposition 215 in 1996. It sprouted out of the marijuana networks that already existed, with largely the same growers, middlemen and customers.

As the medical cannabis industry evolved, sharp differences with the illicit market developed, but only at the extremes: the AIDS patient getting his lab-tested cannabis from a dispensary in a regulated city like Berkeley on one end, the street dealer selling Mexican cartel weed to high school students on the other.

In the middle was a vast, amorphous gray zone, and many operators have found it wise to stay there, keeping their heads low and leaving no paper trail.

Which is how Ricky does business —- no taxes, no permits and no paperwork. He stashes his cash in safe deposit boxes all over and buries it in the ground. But he still sells only to people with medical recommendations, he says, mainly in case he lands in court and needs a defense."

The rest of the story is a worthwhile read. At least I thought so.
 

Grass Lands

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This sums it up quite nicely...

"Everybody old school was amazed at first: You can have a store and advertise and be above board. But the reality is you can't do that. . . . Everyone is just registering for their own take-down."
 

VirginHarvester

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You know, I honestly have this suspicion that government likes it more when things are underground. It creates a demand for their services, something to go to war for the people over. Meanwhile all kinds of innocent if not useless demand for incarceration, servants in the court system, and of course, police, rehab, parole advisers. See what I mean?
 

mr.brunch

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fuck em. we do our best work underground, have they not realised this.
skunk only got bred so nice buds would fit under lights.... no law, no need for small weighty plants. thanks govt!
 
very interesting article.....ya thats about right.....about 5 years ago we were having a trimming party and trying all the new strains that we grew...it was dead of winter...and all of us were comming up with names of the dispensary we were going to open....to help people with their medicine needs.....I kept saying....man...I am just not sure about this.....lets just see where it goes.......now all dispensarys are closed in our area....and all the big ones are going down....and its only a matter of time and they will mostly all be closed.......its just a big target on you.......a huge target.......the demand is huge and growing.....there just has to be a better way to get the medicine (weed) to people than the brick and mortor way.....and that way is back underground.
 

sprinkl

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You know, I honestly have this suspicion that government likes it more when things are underground. It creates a demand for their services, something to go to war for the people over. Meanwhile all kinds of innocent if not useless demand for incarceration, servants in the court system, and of course, police, rehab, parole advisers. See what I mean?

Definitely, also I don't think it would surprise many if the government(at least the people who really run the government) is working together with cartels to produce and import tons of crappy weed. They just had to get the growers out of the way that produce good weed, so they can sling more of their shit! And it's money straight in their pockets, not tax money they have to use to do good for the people...
 

lost in a sea

Lifer
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the "government" just wants to control and what it cant control it wants to destroy..

dont put your head above the parapet, ever if possible, and just overgrow the world like always from the shadows, we really are soldiers in a war that we didnt start and we need to infiltrate and poison their poisonous system with this plant.. :canabis:
 

bad gas

Member
I've been stocking up on seeds. Our access to them may change next year. If romney gets elected, we're screwed and obama hasn't helped us.

Right now, I have enough awesome genetics to last the rest of my life, if I clone and keep mothers.

I've maintained security even though I'm in a med state. Low plant numbers, Don't get on anybody's radar. Nobody knows.

I'm not overly paranoid, but I sure don't trust politicians.

God bless us each and every one. bg
 

RubeGoldberg

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A lot of the new breed medical growers are way too soft for "underground" imo

Will be interesting to see where this all goes
 

supermanlives

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i been saving seeds and making simple crosses since day one lol. no worries about seeds here either.just planted some old ones to preserve the strain. micro mix from cw days . seeds were getting old.
 

Drift13

Member
I've been ducking and weaving most of my life and all of my adult life. Don't see me changing now. Unless they make it "legal" to possess AND grow.
 

Darkcity

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great read, that blokes got the right ideas, TPTB aint gonna let it become above board, and luls like this are just a chance for them to gather info before it becomes outlawed again :p

man i hate the governments of the world lol
 
A

Alone

Ive mainly been a very small 2-600w hps lamp grower. Its enabled me security and stability in my life so as not to worry if I get laid off and loose everything. Car,Apt,Wife(arguing over financial matters).Having lost everything 7x and having learned 3 trades to provide for my family, I still dont have job security.

Marijuana has provided my family food and shelter. As a bonus it has helped with stress, anxiety, and depression over all money issues. As an extra bonus it left a negative carbon imprint to aid in helping with global warming.

The new Mass State Law says that I can grow up to 50 lbs before I face any real jail time.
Thats illegaly.
If I get legal, and pay alot of money to get legal, to sell my product to the new MJ stores.... Im on there radar and can only grow a limited # of plants. Certainly not 50 lbs worth with the 10 plants Ide be able to grow or whatever they decide.

Now I have to worry about local police asking about my greenhouses with the weed and harrasing me about the liscence and plant counts, but also the State Police and Feds.
Then the landlords willing to rent to me to do this. Then I have to worry about the rippers who will get top dollar for my product underground still... while Im only getting paid 1/2 the money from the dispenceries of what its worth underground.

I dont know about anyone else but with the new laws here I think its best to guerilla grow as much as you possibly can outdoors and stay phantom.
 

sso

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this is what i thought when it first got "legalized" in california..


better keep it underground till its "really" legalized..

never trust the government.

grow your own if you can.

Down with government.
 
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