NDAA has been passed... Get ready for more "Where did XXX go?" threads

[Hydro-Soil]

Heyas!

Feelin' the love from our legislature today. Can't wait for this new military police state to get rolling.

Speaking of rolling... won't be surprised to see more threads asking where vocal/big-time growers have gone. The vans will most likely be rolling and I guarantee no phone calls will be ringing... you won't get one.


Now is not the time to have a paperwork trail in our govt.


Stay Safe! (buy your ammo in small lots and in cash)

 

[Hydro-Soil]

Thought this one was binned. Surprise, it actually -did- get put up.

Stay Safe!

 

[pink.lovebud]

they were hiring security for the fema camps some time back. I saw an ad to hire for this so they are up and going all manned. But I have yet to actually find one for real

 

[benzo]

More info please !

 

[dizzze]

Awsome!!! not the ndaa thing but reposting the thread, it was a good one while it lasted.

 

[crazybear]

I don't know what NDAA is but it sure is a military state here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[StayHigh149]

I'm lost.....more details....
What is NDaa?
does xxx mean porn or the vin diesel movie or extra extra extra large clothing?

....inquiring minds wanna know....

 

[dagnabit]

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c112:2:./temp/~c112K8tALP::
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act

The National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) is a United States federal law specifying the budget and expenditures of the United States Department of Defense. Each year's act also includes other provisions.

On December 31, 2011, President Barack Obama signed the 2012 act into law. On May 15, 2012, ruling on a suit brought by a number of private citizens, including Chris Hedges, Daniel Ellsberg, Noam Chomsky, and Birgitta Jónsdóttir claiming that the act allows indefinite military detention,[1] U.S. District Judge Katherine Forrest blocked section 1021.[2][3] Her statement follows:
As set forth above, this Court has found that plaintiffs have shown a likelihood of success on the merits regarding their constitutional claim and it therefore has a responsibility to insure that the public’s constitutional rights are protected. Accordingly, this Court finds that the public interest is best served by the issuance of the preliminary [injunctive] relief recited herein.”[4]

The government sidestepped the ruling, saying, "The government construes this Court’s Order as applying only as to the named plaintiffs in this suit."[4]

The 2013 bill is currently being debated in Congress.[5][6]

http://www.aclu.org/blog/tag/ndaa

On December 31, 2011, President Obama signed the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), codifying indefinite military detention without charge or trial into law for the first time in American history. The NDAA’s dangerous detention provisions would authorize the president — and all future presidents — to order the military to pick up and indefinitely imprison people captured anywhere in the world, far from any battlefield.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

XXX means "insert grower name here"

NDAA essentially gives the DHS powers to the military.

Arrest and holding indefinitely... without a warrant, phone call, trial or anything. Among other things.

Stay Safe!

 

[StayHigh149]

thx for the explaination!!

So many liberties are being eroded.
I don't so much blame the Prez or the govt for these types of things tho....I mean, yea they had to have the Prez sign in order to be instituted.
Seems to be dictated more by the times that we are living in.
I watched a few of the 9/11 documentaries & tributes tonite....it brought those original emotions back again. To c that couple hold hands & jump from the Towers, hurts me to the core everytime I c it. I don't think these types of things are put in place for the common citizen but more towards terrorists or suspected terrorists. I just hope things don't get anymore out of hand with our civil liberties cuz I mos def do see how these laws could b abused & misused.

Again, thx for taking the time to explain the acronyms!

 

[turbolaser4528]

If your not a terrorist then you have nothing to worry about. I can see where the fear could come in, but honestly, I wouldn't worry about it.

I wish this was in place prior to 9/11, may have stopped the whole thing from happening. And didn't we have to release a bunch of terrorists because we tried them in civil court? I say send em all to guantanamo, if they are caught red handed...

 

[soursmoker]

many people are not going to like this... BUT anything that has ever happened to the US by other countries, were all antagonized by the US behind the scenes

 

[toughmudderdave]

Think about this stuff when you folks go vote for your Representatives and Senators. As long as we all continue to vote for the incumbents nothing will change and we'll only have ourselves to blame.

 

[Ziggaro]

removed in better taste.
the minds I'm trying to reach are probably closed anyway

 

[amannamedtruth]

I have a feeling Turbolaser is talking about investigating the Americans that may have had a hand in bringing those buildings down, and killing all those people....

Here's a good read about the deets on ndaa sections 1031 through 1033

http://peacefreedomprosperity.com/5862/what-does-ndaa-really-say/

Anywho, as a nation that is supposed to treat all humans equally, perhaps the Great Writ should apply to everyone...After all, in Afghanistan, "all military-age males in a strike zone as combatants," barring "explicit" posthumous intelligence proving their innocence.


http://voices.yahoo.com/report-obama-redefines-militant-avoid-counting-11403806.html

Spreading freedom, one bomb at a time, AKA, how to destroy and create a 'terrorist' all at once.

 

[Ziggaro]

Much more tactfully done than my rant which has since been edited haha. Bravo sir

I have a feeling Turbolaser is talking about investigating the Americans that may have had a hand in bringing those buildings down, and killing all those people....

Here's a good read about the deets on ndaa sections 1031 through 1033

http://peacefreedomprosperity.com/5862/what-does-ndaa-really-say/

Anywho, as a nation that is supposed to treat all humans equally, perhaps the Great Writ should apply to everyone...After all, in Afghanistan, "all military-age males in a strike zone as combatants," barring "explicit" posthumous intelligence proving their innocence.


http://voices.yahoo.com/report-obama-redefines-militant-avoid-counting-11403806.html

Spreading freedom, one bomb at a time, AKA, how to destroy and create a 'terrorist' all at once.

 

[resinryder]

If your not a terrorist then you have nothing to worry about. I can see where the fear could come in, but honestly, I wouldn't worry about it.

I wish this was in place prior to 9/11, may have stopped the whole thing from happening. And didn't we have to release a bunch of terrorists because we tried them in civil court? I say send em all to guantanamo, if they are caught red handed...

Lol. So if I'm doing nothing wrong what do I have to worry about eh?
People with your attitude, "let em do whatever it takes to make me safer," make me sick to my fucking balls.
You do realize that the NSA is building and has admitted to, a very large electronics communication facility in Utah to be fully operational by September 2013, that will record every phone call, text message, electronic transaction you, as an American citizen, make right? Every time you check out a library book with your bar coded card. Every time you log onto the internet, Every debit, credit card purchase. Want to use cash. Go to Sam's, Costco(for example) swipe your bar coded card and pay in cash and they have a record of it. Pay your water bill, electric bill, garbage bill with cash, yet another electronic record. It's not all about the terrorist, it's becoming more and more about "gotcha".
So if it's about catching terrorist, why does my country care about what I spend, where it goes, who I talk to, who I text, or who I support with my dollars?
Enjoy the koolaid. It's people like you that just roll over and say, "I'd like more sir."
And by the way, the FBI in DC were notified about a year before 9/11 that they had Arabs learning to fly planes but had stated they didn't need to learn to land. DC ignored the field agents info who documented the information, for whatever reason, and we lost over 3,000 lives in hours. So the ones you are glad that are "looking out for you" AREN:T!!!

 

[toughmudderdave]

I work for a phone company/ISP...The Feds have "hooks" into CO switches all over the nation. We were "visited" by the men in black and told to comply...or else face penalties. I too chafe at the bit when I hear the "If you don't have anything to hide, what's the big worry?" line.

 

[turbolaser4528]

Lol. So if I'm doing nothing wrong what do I have to worry about eh?
People with your attitude, "let em do whatever it takes to make me safer," make me sick to my fucking balls.
You do realize that the NSA is building and has admitted to, a very large electronics communication facility in Utah to be fully operational by September 2013, that will record every phone call, text message, electronic transaction you, as an American citizen, make right? Every time you check out a library book with your bar coded card. Every time you log onto the internet, Every debit, credit card purchase. Want to use cash. Go to Sam's, Costco(for example) swipe your bar coded card and pay in cash and they have a record of it. Pay your water bill, electric bill, garbage bill with cash, yet another electronic record. It's not all about the terrorist, it's becoming more and more about "gotcha".
So if it's about catching terrorist, why does my country care about what I spend, where it goes, who I talk to, who I text, or who I support with my dollars?
Enjoy the koolaid. It's people like you that just roll over and say, "I'd like more sir."
And by the way, the FBI in DC were notified about a year before 9/11 that they had Arabs learning to fly planes but had stated they didn't need to learn to land. DC ignored the field agents info who documented the information, for whatever reason, and we lost over 3,000 lives in hours. So the ones you are glad that are "looking out for you" AREN:T!!!

Sounds a little paranoid to me...just sayin'..This is the technology age, not much is secret these days, get used to it. However, it does work both ways..State and Fed gov't employees are caught much more often by an onlooker with a video recording cell-phone. Corruption can be leaked to the press, twitter, etc.. instantaneously.

It's like the screening at the airport, I'm willing to get patted down so that Muhammed next to me doesn't get on the plane with a bomb strapped to his chest. I am willing to let the gov't screen my text messages if it prevents Muhammed from blowing up a subway station in NYC. You have to draw the line somewhere though, I agree. We just have different lines, my friend. If the gov wants to check my bedroom for plants + bombs to make sure I'm not doing anything wrong, they can go kick rocks obviously.

Call it what you want, but that's the reality these days. People want to come here to the US and kill me n' you. Whatever their reasons are, doesn't really matter does it?

It'd be nice if we lived in a world where we can all hold hands and sing kum-by-yah, but that's purely fantasy...Sir.

Then again, this is a liberal leaning pot smoking/growing forum, so I expect these types of responses..

good day all

Toughmudder Dave - I worked for Verizon Wireless and you can bet you're bottom dollar texts and calls are/were monitored for sensitive keywords for a while now. Of course government is going to have backdoor access to the communication network. If there is someone running around w/ a bomb in NYC, and the Gov is chasing him, they have to be able to track/locate/identify that person. Yes, I agree there is potential for abuse/misuse of our privacy, but do you really think the US Gov really cares if you don't like the Pres and are smoking a J in your living room? Probably not, that Is why I wouldn't worry about it. You're not gonna get locked in a FEMA camp, and put on some list. Now if your building weapons and plotting against the Gov/citizens, that is a different story, and I hope you're being watched.

Leave it to the people to keep the Gov in check, but they exist primarily for the citizens protection/defending the country. Don't like the methods? Call your congressman and complain, or just be thankful we haven't had another attack in the past 11 years.

 

[toughmudderdave]

Then again, this is a liberal leaning pot smoking/growing forum, so I expect these types of responses..

good day all

Interesting. I'm an old "Reagan Republican" and have voted Republican for most of my voting years (registered in 1978) and I am vehemently against CALEA, FISA, PATRIOT, NDAA.