Global Pacific Nutirents Test

[greenwithenvy]

So I was given the opportunity to try out this new line up. I have the Rapid Grow, Rapid Bloom, Rapid Response, Beyond Belief, and Calm. The rest of the products were sent on Friday. The rest are O'Beast, Sugar Buzz, Root Structure, Tough Guy and Enforcer 24. Yes thats Probert I think they said hes family. Also some of the company employees are from technaflora and some from Worms way. The best thing about this product is every product is 10 mil per gal every time always. Here's some pics. There website is food4plants.com.

 

[greenwithenvy]

 

[greenwithenvy]

This test will be done with a Under Current style system. I have a 7 gallon cloner that they are in right now. They will go in the larger veg system next week. 7 Gallons of water and 70 mil of each product. Talk about the KISS method. I love that. Oh yea it ph'ed perfectly, no up or down needed.

I was going to use the Growers Secret in the hydro but it foamed up to much. I will be using the GS in the Air Pots and the GPN in the Hydro system.

 

[greenwithenvy]

The bottles are a real sweet Green color. Check it out.

 

[Warped1]

They should have put Joe Kocurs mug on the Tough Guy label hehehe...the good old days.

 

[TheBioMaster]

10ml per gallon always?? Wow....that is going to get expensive really fast. Looks like a sister company to Advanced Nutrients with all the cartoon labels and childish names.....exactly what your looking for in a SERIOUS nutrient right?? Labels that would attract a 3 year old???? ROFL!

I feel sorry for the guy with a 100 gallon tank or even larger......

Not impressed at all at first look.....but besides all that 10ml per gallon???

 

[TheBioMaster]

I would also be very careful testing this in a UC system.......the UC system does not do well when you use a nutrient with lots of organic inputs.....this can spell the recipe for disaster over time as the organic slime builds up inside the pipes and hard to reach spots in the system.

Normally after using a nutrient with organic inputs a couple of things will happen usually.....first you will notice a slippery invisible slime on the walls of your UC tanks...run your hand along the walls and you will soon begin to feel this slippery feeling to the walls...that is the first sign......it will then progress from there as the biology takes over the system and relieves you of control......

You have to understand that the UC system is like a giant ACT tea brewer.......so you must restrict inputs to keep things in check.....in balance.

Anyhow if after a day or 3 you start to feel your walls having a slippery feel to them, you need to flush and sterilize your system and reset it with the proper nutrients.....or the stages will advance....

There is only ONE way to control bacteria as telling them to be cool will not work as I tried that...they do not listen worth a shit....the ONLY way to control populations is by restricting INPUT.....there is one other way, but that involves there demise.....peroxide or some other sterilizing agent that will kill ALL forms of bacteria.....the good and the bad....

The UC system also by design is more efficient with nutrients than ANY other system, like a LOT more! This translates into using about 50% LESS than what the label on the bottle suggest. Sometimes as high as 75% to 90% LESS is required with certain products and additives especially.....

Hopefully by now you have connected some dots and realize that the dose of 10ml per gallon ALWAYS, is for sure NOT going to work well in the UC system. In fact 10ml per gallon will most likely NEVER be needed or work well in the UC system due to system design and efficiency as mentioned already.

Having used a UC system for well over 8 years I can tell you which nutrients work well in the system and which do not......the ones with lots of organic input's do not do well at all and require modifications done to accommodate the microbiology and keep the right stuff alive in your tanks and the wrong stuff away......

Another problem with organics in a UC system is that most growers practice a sterile approach, and that means you would not have the biology needed to process the organic compounds into something the plants can actually USE......

That will bring you to the next issue, almost all nutrients these days.... even ones for hydroponic use contain ammonical nitrogen in them to account for sometimes up to 25% of the total nitrogen content.....if you do not have the RIGHT type of bacteria present, than this nitrogen stays in its original form which is TOXIC to plants and humans.....

SAME deal is true with calcium as well......2 of the most important nutrients for plants....UNAVAILABLE!! And not only that but even in a toxic form to plants and humans...

You guys ever notice how in most UC systems, there is this stall of sorts when the plants are first transferred into the UC system......some of the the plants even start turning yellow and begin dieing....everything from lumen shock to invisible ghost get the blame..then after about a week they start to pick up slowly........many veteran UC users complain of this issue.....and there are ways to avoid it 100%.

I have a list of tested nutrients that can be used as a "guide" of sorts as you can look at the ones that work best in the UC system, and then look for similar contents and ratio's when shopping for a nutrient product.

FYI- The people that make the UC system have recently developed and sell a nutrient they made especially for this system......it is called Cultured Solutions and not on there website yet, but if you call or email them they will sell it to you...

 

[YosemiteSam]

What happens with the sugar plants send to the roots during lights out? My understanding is that plants send half their sugar to the roots every night and about 30% of that is given to the microbes. I don't know if those %s are exact but you can measure a serious drop in brix as the light goes down.

Does it somehow work differently in dwc? I know the plants tend to lay down at night in those systems so I assume the same thing is going on.

And those sugars are designed to feed bacteria, etc

Most of the people I know treat the fuck out of the root zone in these systems.

 

[habeeb]

all i can add.. the sun is stoned

haha

on second thought , is that a sunflower though ???

haha


either way..

 

[greenwithenvy]

Hey everyone thanks for showing up. This product is new to me and i think its new to everyone, therefor I cant say anything about it yet. Ill keep ya posted on whats going on. Ive ran dwc and under current style systems for years and I have to try all these new nutes we get in the store, so I have an understanding of whats going on with them. If it works it works if it dont it dont. I have to see it with my own eyes. PS What company doesn't have sweet looking labels. Every shelf in my store has amazing colored lables. The sun does look stoned LOL.

 

[sunnyside]

The sunflower is baked!

I literally typed out a reply for the last hour then...click on quick reply.... I forgot to sign in....

I'll be back after dinner...

 

[sunnyside]

Habeeb...you should see her now..

 

[sunnyside]

long time...still some rust. Apologies

Yes that is THE enforcer...RIP Bob You'll be missed.

 

[sunnyside]

the msrps I've set make the complete line $92.50 per 100 gallons of nutrient solution. This is for a complete high quality nutrient program at maximum recommended strength. Most growers have found their 'happy zone' somewhere between full strength (10 Mil per gallon) to half of my dose...making their mixed solution only 46.25 per 100 gallons. Take into consideration that you only never use the grow and bloom together... I've got aminos, humics, vitamins, macro, secondaries, micros, carbs, silica, and our comprehensive microbial product Enforcer-24, and soo soo much more. Even though I've spent more money finding the best I can find to put into my plant food, I wanted my plant food to be the best... It just so happens that I decided to take to market what I've developed for my own use. Bottom Line...GPN is extremely affordable...especially when compared to other comparable comprehensive programs.

 

[sunnyside]

as for use in an undercurrent system...tested. No problem. We do utilize organic inputs, nothing funky or unfriendly for growers... I've personally tested in systems from aeroflow to ebb n grow... all function great.

Ammoniacal Nitrates...I have very little in only one of my products...beyond belief. Ammonium nitrate works great when applied as a foliar. Beyond Belief is a seaweed based plant 'tonic' that can be applied anyway you desire, foliar, root drench, or incorporated in your reservoir with your base nutes. You won't find any of these nitrates in any of the other products for several reasons...one being what bio brought up.

 

[greenwithenvy]

SWEET. I knew I've been in the right place this whole time and i'm really happy you showed up sunnyside. I know we heard some really good things at the show and that's why we decided to get it in our store. I'm just glad someone is there to back up what i'm doing with some facts. Thanks again.

 

[Weird Jimmy]

the msrps I've set make the complete line $92.50 per 100 gallons of nutrient solution. This is for a complete high quality nutrient program at maximum recommended strength. Most growers have found their 'happy zone' somewhere between full strength (10 Mil per gallon) to half of my dose...making their mixed solution only 46.25 per 100 gallons. Take into consideration that you only never use the grow and bloom together... I've got aminos, humics, vitamins, macro, secondaries, micros, carbs, silica, and our comprehensive microbial product Enforcer-24, and soo soo much more. Even though I've spent more money finding the best I can find to put into my plant food, I wanted my plant food to be the best... It just so happens that I decided to take to market what I've developed for my own use. Bottom Line...GPN is extremely affordable...especially when compared to other comparable comprehensive programs.

Dope dude. I'm glad to have your stuff in our store. We've got a few of the bottles on the front counter for people to see. I can't wait until we're fully stocked so we can get them listed on our website.

 

[VagPuncher]

Holy fucking christ.

Please tell me that is Bob Probert on the bottle!

 

[TheBioMaster]

as for use in an undercurrent system...tested. No problem. We do utilize organic inputs, nothing funky or unfriendly for growers... I've personally tested in systems from aeroflow to ebb n grow... all function great.

Ammoniacal Nitrates...I have very little in only one of my products...beyond belief. Ammonium nitrate works great when applied as a foliar. Beyond Belief is a seaweed based plant 'tonic' that can be applied anyway you desire, foliar, root drench, or incorporated in your reservoir with your base nutes. You won't find any of these nitrates in any of the other products for several reasons...one being what bio brought up.

I would love to see some of those "test" that you did in a undercurrent.

If you do indeed have VALID testing results in a UC system then please enlighten me as I LOVE to learn new things! I also would then need to verify the testing as I am sure you would understand........

I would like to respond with the line from the movie "My Cousin Vinny" where Vinny tells the courtroom and jury that "everyting that guy just said is BS"......LOL.....j/k

I disagree with most of the statements made, especially the one claiming it is not a expensive formula at 10ml per gallon ALWAYS.

I mean the op that started the thread stated himself how EASY it was to use and mix because you ALWAYS mixed it at 10ml per gallon no matter what right??.....guess it is not true and like most all other nutrients, you have test to find dosages that best match YOUR growing methods and nutrient delivery systems.....as opposed to blindly mixing at 10ml per gallon no matter what the conditions or even the product being used?

And ESPECIALLY the part about having been tested in a UC system...

But then again this is VERY typical!

Lets see what else, oh ya the labels....well shit I guess if EVERYONE is doing then that is a GREAT reason to do something....take a look at a Dyna-Gro label and tell me how it has cartoons on the label??

NO SIR, everyone does NOT design there labels to attract and appeal to 3 year olds....sorry. Some nutrient companies take the entire process of making plant nutrients and that includes putting a label on the product as a VERY SERIOUS and important part of the operation.......just as important as MAKING the plant nutrient itself!

I repeat to be CLEAR! There are MANY nutrient products that have SERIOUS LABELS and DO NOT have child like labels with CARTOON CHARACTERS! Not just Dyna-Gro either.......not sure about you guys but I take plant nutrients and plant nutrition SERIOUSLY considering it is one of the most expensive parts of a grow op! I do not allow my 3 year old to make the choices so I do not need cartoons on the label!

With today's worries of improper chemicals and other "questionable" content being found in plant nutrients......I would think the VERY last message you wanna send to consumers is "Oh look at the pretty cartoon label?" I will NEVER understand what in the hell these people are thinking......sorry. Guess I came from a more "serious" and "adult" background in Horticulture........

And you would have thought all that experience in hydroponics would have taught you at LEAST something like A, organics do not work well in a UC system (unless modifications are made to the UC system to accommodate the use of organic compounds in the nutrient formula, I can explain this much further in detail if needed), new growers will have a "time" at it and they do already if you take a look around.....and B, ammonical nitrogen OR calcium has no place in hydroponics.....

Like I said, I seriously doubt this formula will perform well in a UC system, and I would LOVE to see that for myself and be proven wrong.....just seen too many formulas on the market already that are just like these......they dont work well and usually contain..... lets call them "cost saving source materials" to be nice.......

This type of nutrient and approach is NOT NEW by any means....your not a scientist huh?? SHOCKER, we could tell!! ROFL!! But he hires scientist so that is good to know...Advanced Nutrients claims the same thing, except they have PHD's......ooooooooooooooo....ahhhhhhhhhh

Sure your not related to Advanced Nutrients?? Same childish cartoon labels....Big Mike from AN claims he is not a scientist either.......just saying.....

It is sad when you see a NEW nutrient line come out with the SAME old tired ass source materials like ammonia for Nitrogen AND Calcium sources....and same improper ratio's and same old Marketing BS also.....same old BS claims......

One day these guys will figure out the difference between a hydroponic nutrient and a soil nutrient......one day......

In all honesty I have not tested these nutrients, it is at a point now where our knowledge base which is made up of nutrient product testing and evaluation in a UC system, that in most cases I can tell by the "derived from" section on the label, and the amounts and ratio's of minerals, about how well it will perform in a UC system......I see nothing here including the cartoon labels that would even warrant the time and effort to test in all honesty.....I know you like to think that your product is "special" or different, but so far I have seen NOTHING that is even remotely unique or different. Am I missing something???

 

[TheBioMaster]

Anyone that has actually done real testing in a UC system would find that when organic inputs are added, you have no control over the biology, and conditions in a UC system would quickly over populate your system and cause a imbalance (this is the slime or slippery walls that is the first stage or sign of trouble ahead).

It is like trying to control the growth of bacteria in a ACT tea brewer.......but in a ACT Tea brewer you are TRYING to produce a CONCENTRATION of biology in the tea....in a UC system you are NOT...YEARS of study and research have been done in this area.....

The only way to effectively control it is to kill it off using a sterilizer like peroxide.....this is why most suggested programs in a UC system utilize a "sterile" type program.

Sterile programs work great and are easier for new users to hydro systems......the problem is that most formulas like yours have organic inputs that REQUIRE biology to be present!

When you do not have the needed biology to process organic compounds, you begin to create a "toxic" condition......

The only other way to control it is to modify the UC with a bio-filter.......when you go this route you do not feed the plants directly with salts or plant nutrients, you feed the microbes in the solution which in turn produce plant nutrition.

In this case your formula would NOT be a good choice at all......

Like I mentioned, many nutrient formulas have been tested in the UC system......