Can ANYONE name the poison Eagle 20 with the active ingredient Myclobutanil??

[qupee]

Members of other forums have had finished product tested that was sprayed as clones. Look around more. I'd tell you if Eagle 20 showed up in the cured bud, but whichever side proved wrong would just continue to argue anyways. Both sides will probably read this and think they are right.

 

[supermanlives]

So a bunch of doctors got together and said medical marijuana was safe to use. No just a bunch of people who thought it was passed a law without doing testing and now you smoke marijuana because that makes it safe. Well a lot of people here think eagle 20 is safe so go ahead and use it now.

My logic seems sound based on your logic.

marijuana has been tested for a long time by millions of folks. dont need a doctor to tell me its safe. when these products have been used for even a few hundred years with no side effects i will consider them safe.

 

[Weird]

Members of other forums have had finished product tested that was sprayed as clones. Look around more. I'd tell you if Eagle 20 showed up in the cured bud, but whichever side proved wrong would just continue to argue anyways. Both sides will probably read this and think they are right.

who did they use?

I was told by someone using eagle20 they tested their buds and they were sure they were safe

I called the testing facility steeple hill afterwards to see if they tested for any of the ingredients in eagle20

they did not

are there other facilities that test medical marijuana that do?

 

[qupee]

who did they use?

I was told by someone using eagle20 they tested their buds and they were sure they were safe

I called the testing facility steeple hill afterwards to see if they tested for any of the ingredients in eagle20

they did not

are there other facilities that test medical marijuana that do?

Members of other forums have had finished product tested that was sprayed as clones. Look around more. I'd tell you if Eagle 20 showed up in the cured bud, but whichever side proved wrong would just continue to argue anyways. Both sides will probably read this and think they are right.

Google's your friend. Spent enough time posting arguments here, spend more time researching imho. Two ears, one mouth, etc.

Just saying this is wasting more time in an Eagle20 thread than I care to, having watched this argument go on for years now.

 

[Weird]

members of this forum had it tested under the impression they test for all agricultural toxins

but this facility did not

a couple dozen pesticides and a handful of fungicides

but your right, I can google

ill call all the listed labs tues from work and ask and report the results here

good advice though ty

easy evidence would be any testing sheet with mycobutinal on it as a testing category

 

[TribalSeeds]

Heres what Steep Hill does test for.
http://steephilllab.com/resources/pesticides/
Eagle20 lists more hazardous ingredients than are being tested for at this lab.
The Myclobutanil ppm levels are considered acceptable under 10 ppm in the plant at this lab.
Given that 10ppm is a shitload - I find it highly unlikely to be credible when I read a thread claiming the plant was "FREE" of any trace of Eagle20. Especially when that thread cant provide any documentaion and claims the tests were provided free of charge.
On a side note: None of the local shops here In CA carry Gnatrol even though the company is located in CA, they tell me its because it leaves traces of 1ppm or more in the plant.
If you look at the EPA tolerance limits for All food crops you will notice Myclobutanil is much lower.

 

[Weird]

http://pureanalytics.net/services/pesticide_analysis

here's one that tests for mycobutinal

i wonder if they test for naphthalene the cancerous part of eagle20?

 

[skullznroses]

I just hope you don't eat raisin, asparagus, pears, almonds, apricots, cherries, bananas. (http://www.cdpr.ca.gov/docs/risk/rcd/myclobut.pdf)

All of these are treated with mycolbutinal.

Say you spray 7 grams mycobutinal in 25 gallons water (about 1 ounce/100 gallons... a half strength dose, lowest called for is 2oz/100gal) and 30 days later it has degraded to .7 grams or 700 mg (http://books.google.com/books?id=mX...en#v=onepage&q=myclobutanil half life&f=false), and you harvest say 2 KG of dried bud. Lets say very conservatively that you gat accumulation of 30% of all mycobute in fresh plant material in that dried bud. Thats 210 mg of mycobute left in your 4 pounds of bud. If you weigh around 160 lets say you weigh 80 KG. Thus if you smoked a 1/2 lb of bud a day that would be 0.656 mg/kg/bw for 4 straight days...

lets quote the oral tests done on rats (http://www.inchem.org/documents/jmpr/jmpmono/v92pr13.htm)

A NOAEL of 300 ppm, equal to 42.1 mg/kg bw/day (oh, and Eagle is 12.5% mycobutinal, this test used 81% mycolbutinal!!!)

NOAEL no observable adverse effects level is around 50mg/kg/bw/day

so basically if you smoked 1/2 lb a day you would be "safe" ie less then 1/50th the "safe" dose, or if you smoked 2 grams a day several hundred fold below the safe level.

not to mention that the LD50 for inhalation is 5.1GRAM/Liter air!!!! Impossible to get from ganja

also, according to http://www.pesticideinfo.org/Detail_Chemical.jsp?Rec_Id=PC120 this is not a likely carcinogen


Also, the flash point of this chemical according to http://www.lookchem.com/Myclobutanil/
is 235 degrees C. If you vape your bud @ 160 C, since you are afraid of cancer, then this stuff won't be combusted. Problem solved, don't smoke.

I don't advocate this treatment, and I will try to use Serenade earlier next year and plant in a new spot... but my research makes me feel quite certain there could be little axls running around in a few years, and I won't have reproductive problems.

In fact Id say my treated bud is still much safer then ORganic american spirit tobacco. Plus, if I can't have kids, whatever

 

[Weird]

Heres what Steep Hill does test for.
http://steephilllab.com/resources/pesticides/
Eagle20 lists more hazardous ingredients than are being tested for at this lab.
The Myclobutanil ppm levels are considered acceptable under 10 ppm in the plant.
Given that 10ppm is a shitload - I find it highly unlikely to be credible when I read a thread claiming the plant was "FREE" of any trace of Eagle20. Especially when that thread cant provide any documentaion and claims the tests were provided free of charge.
On a side note: None of the local shops here In CA carry Gnatrol even though the company is located in CA, they tell me its because it leaves traces of 1ppm or more in the plant.

hops isnt consumed directly but processed into beer

if you look at ppl tolerance for something that is consumed directly leafy of flower its much lower

fruits with skins or shells have higher tolerances

and that is the allowable tolerance for the sick?

 

[minds_I]

Hello all,

I watched a Jorge Cenvantes Youtube video where he washes the buds ina h2O2/water solution after trimming and before hanging up to dry with fans blowing on them.

I know what h2o2 does to PM.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7jE...965-powdery-mildew-after-jorge-cervantes.html


minds_I

 

[skullznroses]

raisins can have 10 ppm mycobutinal http://www.cdpr.ca.gov/docs/risk/rcd/myclobut.pdf

 

[TribalSeeds]

hops isnt consumed directly but processed into beer

if you look at ppl tolerance for something that is consumed directly leafy of flower its much lower

fruits with skins or shells have higher tolerances

and that is the allowable tolerance for the sick?

Yea, I added the EPA tolerance also in the steep hill link.
I agree, they are just out to make a buck...

 

[skullznroses]

btw I appreciate this going on and am + repping you soldiers of truth, whatever your opinion about chemical use is. Stay safe

 

[krunchbubble]

who did they use?

I was told by someone using eagle20 they tested their buds and they were sure they were safe

I called the testing facility steeple hill afterwards to see if they tested for any of the ingredients in eagle20

they did not

are there other facilities that test medical marijuana that do?

members of this forum had it tested under the impression they test for all agricultural toxins

but this facility did not

a couple dozen pesticides and a handful of fungicides

but your right, I can google

ill call all the listed labs tues from work and ask and report the results here

good advice though ty

easy evidence would be any testing sheet with mycobutinal on it as a testing category

That was me....

I WAS under the impression that Eagle's ingredients were tested for, and I was wrong....


WEIRD - How many generations from the original dose, would YOU deem suitable to consume, if any?

 

[Darth Fader]

Treebark1950 is the guy who posted results @ thefarm. Reported 0 ppm Eagle 20. Hope it's ok to link. He got a bit of grief for not having a copy of the results.

This is the place that did the testing.

California Testing Authority
4695 MacArthur Ct. 11th Floor
Newport Beach, CA 92660
Telephone: 818.292.6317
E-mail: alex@catalabs.com

 

[Weird]

That was me....

I WAS under the impression that Eagle's ingredients were tested for, and I was wrong....


WEIRD - How many generations from the original dose, would YOU deem suitable to consume, if any?

i know it was you but i wasn't trying to single anyone out, it just wanted to illustrate how testing can lead to a false sense of security

your question is a very very tough question to answer

if your asking if i would consider cuts from a mother plant treated with eagle20, safe for consumption, my guess would be yes.

based on half life and the assumption that they are being grown in a environment devoid of additional exposure through any means by the time they reach maturation they should have a nominal amount of mycobutinal in them

this is basically the extent that many of these chemicals, in medical marijuana, have a place

in the preservation of genes but not in the final production of medicine

i would be less staunch about toxins in flower if i hadn't transitioned from a chemical/sterile/hydro grower to organics and found a easier level of like success

i'm not debating speed of hydro or control aspects of sterile.chemical growing

what have simply experienced is that when meet certain health requirements most controls become unnecessary

heat stress, drought stress, pathogen stress, almost ever factor that needs to be controlled can be prevented by replication natural controls such as bacterium (one example)

how is it, with the amount of PM in California are native foliage surviving? its the things we cant see, especially in the root zone

crop loss is greatly minimized and the need for environmental or controls is reduced if not eliminated

in the end growing becomes cheaper, your crop returns are greater and you are less reliant on costly niche agricultural solutions

most new products coming out in our niche market are bacteria, amino acids, enzymes or like mechanism discovered by botanist in nature

understanding organics came later on for me

i had put my focus on other aspects of growing so when i was growing with hydro.chems i was in no rush to learn the dynamics of plant nutrition from a ecological natural standpoint

so it wasn't until i really wanted to be able to grow, at the same level i had been, without having to be at the will of modern cannabis horticultural solutions that i started to continue my journey

when i started to learn and apply the knowledge and see the results i was able to qualify the differential i realized that there was benefits i never even considered at costs far less than imagined

using toxins as a preventive is not a smart practice to adopt in the manufacture of medicine when plant health can be manipulated via natural means to achieve the same means

 

[Weird]

Treebark1950 is the guy who posted results @ thefarm. Reported 0 ppm Eagle 20. Hope it's ok to link. He got a bit of grief for not having a copy of the results.

This is the place that did the testing.

California Testing Authority
4695 MacArthur Ct. 11th Floor
Newport Beach, CA 92660
Telephone: 818.292.6317
E-mail: alex@catalabs.com

there are places testing for it and tha'ts great

im not nitpicking but do they test for mycobutinal or for all the chemicals in eagle20

i think the naphthalene is used to increase systemic capacity, it in and of itself is more dangerous

it may not be a product they suspect is being used because it isn't used agriculture?

 

[minds_I]

Hello all,

So Weird, If you should get PM and initated SAR methods of control, and yet still have PM, what would you use?

minds_I

PS. MAn your avatar is flat phuquing spooky.

 

[accessndx]

So Long and Thanks for all the Vitriol...

So Long and Thanks for all the Vitriol...

I still maintain there's a better way to use Eagle. I feel personally that using that as a way to eliminate PM, and then growing a few generations of plants before flowering out is acceptable.

how can you advocate for cultivation of a non toxic medicine with the use of toxins...
sounds like you found a good excuse to satiate your conscious

WEIRD - How many generations from the original dose, would YOU deem suitable to consume, if any?

if your asking if i would consider cuts from a mother plant treated with eagle20, safe for consumption, my guess would be yes.

 

[SeaMaiden]

Hello all,

I watched a Jorge Cenvantes Youtube video where he washes the buds ina h2O2/water solution after trimming and before hanging up to dry with fans blowing on them.

I know what h2o2 does to PM.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7jE...965-powdery-mildew-after-jorge-cervantes.html


minds_I

Before I ever saw that video I tried the technique, and it works VERY well. Do NOT use something like Greencure, I found it left a distinctly soapy taste.

there are places testing for it and tha'ts great

im not nitpicking but do they test for mycobutinal or for all the chemicals in eagle20

i think the naphthalene is used to increase systemic capacity, it in and of itself is more dangerous

it may not be a product they suspect is being used because it isn't used agriculture?

We have some issues with the laboratories that test cannabis, and it has a lot to do with QC (quality control) as well as standards--there are none.

Don't forget about the cyclohexanone, that seems to be somewhat nasty stuff, too.