Mister D's Vertical Redemption

[silver hawaiian]

thanks D! i'm not ingesting any THC at the moment...(went to court yesterday) you get the idea...

dude...for some reason i'm being drawn to the Organic side of things is your Bio-Biz line up simple? not too many additives and potions?

if ya dont mind me askin'...how do you run your other grow that ur gettin 2+ per 600? racks? donuts? flat?

thanks again brotha!

This, this, this, this, this still, and more of this.

 

[Mister_D]

Bonz & Silver - My organic nute recipe is very simple, and has been tested by multiple growers from sgapetti in his 1cuft cab, to a bro of mine doing 150K in lighting, and several in between. I've personally been using the recipe for around 5 years.

Veg per US gal. - 9ml grow +12ml alg-a-mic (optional) Alg-a-mic increases smell and taste profile slightly, and gives plants a noticeable increase in health.

Bloom per US gal. - 9ml grow + 12ml bloom + 12ml alg-a-mic (optional)

Flush - Last 3 weeks is just ph adjusted water.

This recipe ends up being 1-2ml per gal. less of each part, if you are in europe and use the imperial gal. instead of the US gal. Thanks to sgapetti for figuring this out

As far as how the room is setup. I'm running 16 lights for flower (4 rows of 4 lights). Around each light are donuts with 4-5 trees (7-8ft tall including pot). All vert lighting in flower, with each light covering a 5x5' area. Lights and plants cover every inch of the room, wall to wall so no light is lost. It all either hits a plant or the wall and bounces back into a plant. I grow my jack and romulan because both produce very little leaf, have a huge stretch, and good yield. Less leaf allows light to pass from one donut to the next allowing most of the plants in the room to be hit by light on all sides (This is a big part of my success). Plants on the outside edge of the room get slightly less light, but still works just fine. If anyone is seriously interested in setting up a tree grow capable of 2+ per 600 let me know, and i'll start working on the book it would take to explain all the little things that make this setup click. Like freds is always sayin, it's the little things that mean so much. A couple pieces of advice to anybody that wants to start this journey. Read through bobblehead's threads, and see it's not as easy as it sounds to step on the field and play with the pro's. Bobble has done really well considering the challenges he's taken/taking on. Big part of his success lies in the fact that the man is determined as fuck to succeed, and willing to put in the work to make it happen. He also has documented in exceptional detail, what is IMO one of the most efficient and bullet proof systems to grow known to man. Highly recommended reading. I've been growing for around 10 years, done every thing from organic soil to full on hydro, and I study ALOT more than most growers. Still I consider myself a novice, and learn everyday from people with alot more grow knowledge and sometimes from people with less (Hazed has taught me a few things this last week, thanks for that buddy.). Best piece of advice I can give someone is to study every method/technique of grow you can find, and ask yourself this question while doing so. What is it about this technique/method that makes it so effective, and how can I apply that principal to my own style of grow. The answers to these kinds of questions will start to click once you have enough knowledge in multiple methods/techniques. For example, lets say you are a soil grower. How could studying aeroponics possibly benefit you? Ask yourself what about aero makes it so effective? Answer is, more air to the roots. So how does a soil grower use that information? Well if you had done your homework on soil you would know there are tons of things that can be added to the soil to increase air content (i.e perlite). Increasing air content in the root zone causes faster growth and larger yields. So even though you won't achieve aero yields with your soil, studying aero helped increase your yield in soil. These types of connections are endless, and some much more complicated. Anyway enough outta my old ass for now......

And bonz, what are you doing letting your criminal activities get in the way of smoking all that primo herb . Shit that's almost as bad as when you were thinking of going horizontal......

 

[Mister_D]

Got a couple more pics to upload .

Like 115ish new seeds..... Oh and I ordered another 80-90 more seeds a couple days ago, I need to stop . On a serious quest to find "THE ONE"

Lights out kush and berry sour creme are kind of hard to see, but those are from 40ampstofreedom seeds. Ya'll should check his gear out. Great prices and dank reports coming back.

Went ahead and tossed my femix freebies in a towl. So far only one has sprouted.

Speaking of seeds the 9th destroyer sprouted a few days ago, it's just poking it's head above the coco now. However one of the chem's and a destroyer both stalled out and died for no apparent reason. They both were looking weak from the start though.

 

[Mister_D]

Got a cheap light meter. Going to test a few different things in my room and report back with my findings. Most interested in ocra vs primer

 

[farmhouse cat]

Got a couple more pics to upload .

Like 90 something new seeds..... Oh and I ordered another 80-90 more seeds a couple days ago, I need to stop . On a serious quest to find "THE ONE"

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LOL when you find the one... are you gonna share..MR?

 

[FlowerFarmer]

Got a cheap light meter. Going to test a few different things in my room and report back with my findings. Most interested in ocra vs primer

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Looking forward to your data!

I've been wanting to get some orca after reading reviews about it and seeing it posted here next to poly. The poly looked grey!

My local shop doesnt have orca and doesnt really deal with the distributor who offers it so I'd have to pay shipping to get a hold of some.


Looking forward to your findings..

That is a pretty cheap light meter. Do you know if they are good enough for respective purposes?
A lot of other units are $100+, but I'll take an accurate analog unit over a digital any day.

 

[Mister_D]

LOL when you find the one... are you gonna share..MR?

Maybe ..... I share all of my genetics bro .

Looking forward to your data!

I've been wanting to get some orca after reading reviews about it and seeing it posted here next to poly. The poly looked grey!

My local shop doesnt have orca and doesnt really deal with the distributor who offers it so I'd have to pay shipping to get a hold of some.


Looking forward to your findings..

That is a pretty cheap light meter. Do you know if they are good enough for respective purposes?
A lot of other units are $100+, but I'll take an accurate analog unit over a digital any day.

I honestly have no way of confirming how accurate or not this meter is, the box says within 2%. I bought it for general comparison purposes, light mapping, and to track the life of my bulbs. Non of these require a super accurate par meter. I would like to get a lab grade par meter to test different bulbs. I've done a good amount of research that has lead me to believe spectrum to an extent is more important than umols produced. That's a whole other thread though. Also spurr told me there is little difference in accuracy between the cheap analog meters, and the several hundred dollar digital units. Even the par meter sold by sunlight supply just converts lumens, meaning it's not really a true par meter.

 

[sgapetti]

thx for the heads up on tom hill's haze D, looking forward for those as well . @ bonso and silver , the organic veg and bloom formula based on biobizz as suggested by D works like a charm and very easy to adjust even to my 1,2 sqf setup. However, i am wondering about the need to flush the last 3 week, because there is nothing to flush ( salts ) . Do you mean to as making sure there are no nutriments left at harvest time? The buds are still swelling the last 3 weeks , so feeding them makes more sense in a organic setup then to put them on a diet when they are still feeding.Or did i get it wrong? Kudos to you brother, take care.
Peace S

 

[Mister_D]

Sgapetti - I have some old timers haze from ACE seeds also . I'm going to be doing alot of pollen chucking once i'm setup for it. As for the flush at the end. Though it seems like you are starving your plants, actually you are just allowing them to use up the built up nutrients in the soil/media. Every media has potential to hold some nutrient content. How much depends on the media. Porous medias like peat and coco are capable of holding a decent amount of nutes, requiring a longer flush period. While something like hydrotron or rockwool hold very little nutes, so a shorter flush is required to achieve the same effect. Flush times can vary abit depending on alot of factors, including media, light intensity, strain, container size relative to plant size, etc. I like to see yellowing start about a week before harvest, and about 80-90% yellow at harvest. This insures both the media and the plant are exhausted of nutes. You want the media very low on nutes for reuse, and you want the plant low on nutes for smoother smoke with less cure time. For me, in my room, using that biobizz recipe, it takes three weeks, YMMV, adjust according to your gardens reaction. This is merely a base to work off of.

 

[Lifebreather]

Taggin in.

Vert. Romulan. Seed popping. Redemption.

This thread has it all.

I like the multi tiered system, I'm running a two level vert for the first time.

 

[Mister_D]

Lifebreather - Glad to have you, enjoy the show. K+ for making it through the whole thread also. , it's starting to get kind of long. Lots more vert, romulan, seed popping, and redemption like a motherfucker going on in here

Was watching archer last night . Love that show.

........ Now if the mag would just let me upload some pictures already

 

[Hazed]

Uh, still struggling with them pictures are we?
Employed! Stoned! And anxiously awaiting!
Hope all is well, later...Hazed

Lifebreather - Glad to have you, enjoy the show. K+ for making it through the whole thread also. , it's starting to get kind of long. Lots more vert, romulan, seed popping, and redemption like a motherfucker going on in here

Was watching archer last night . Love that show.

........ Now if the mag would just let me upload some pictures already

 

[DHF]

This thread is all about knowledge and power......All should take notice ....

Mr D is all over this shit.....bet on it....been lurking and not posting much to dial down controversy but I`m around regardless of my opinionated remarks.....

Mr D.....Respect.....Freds....

 

[megayields]

MisterD - I been growing Sam the Skunkman's Haze x Skunk#1 and I have to say I REALLY LIKE the way it is performing so far. I will be posting up some pics tomorrow over in my thread but Haze and Chemdog's (Bobbles Strawberry ChemDD) are my new FAVE strains...I am really intersted in doing some 15-16 week PURE Hazes I've heard their almost hypnotic in their effect...great thread!

 

[village green]

MisterD - I been growing Sam the Skunkman's Haze x Skunk#1 and I have to say I REALLY LIKE the way it is performing so far. I will be posting up some pics tomorrow over in my thread but Haze and Chemdog's (Bobbles Strawberry ChemDD) are my new FAVE strains...I am really intersted in doing some 15-16 week PURE Hazes I've heard their almost hypnotic in their effect...great thread!

I grew the Sam's in vert. The next time I do it I plan on zero veg time. It is INSANE.

 

[sgapetti]

Sgapetti - I have some old timers haze from ACE seeds also . I'm going to be doing alot of pollen chucking once i'm setup for it. As for the flush at the end. Though it seems like you are starving your plants, actually you are just allowing them to use up the built up nutrients in the soil/media. Every media has potential to hold some nutrient content. How much depends on the media. Porous medias like peat and coco are capable of holding a decent amount of nutes, requiring a longer flush period. While something like hydrotron or rockwool hold very little nutes, so a shorter flush is required to achieve the same effect. Flush times can vary abit depending on alot of factors, including media, light intensity, strain, container size relative to plant size, etc. I like to see yellowing start about a week before harvest, and about 80-90% yellow at harvest. This insures both the media and the plant are exhausted of nutes. You want the media very low on nutes for reuse, and you want the plant low on nutes for smoother smoke with less cure time. For me, in my room, using that biobizz recipe, it takes three weeks, YMMV, adjust according to your gardens reaction. This is merely a base to work off of.

Thx my friend, I keep that in mind and work from there. I have just to find a way to fit those hazes in my cab

This thread is all about knowledge and power......All should take notice ....

Mr D is all over this shit.....bet on it....been lurking and not posting much to dial down controversy but I`m around regardless of my opinionated remarks.....

Mr D.....Respect.....Freds....

This 3d is all that .I see the passion and commitment MR D as to the community, a quality that i am trying to embrace. Thx to all contributing, all of you makes the mag a better place
Peace S

 

[Mister_D]

Things are extra busy around D farms right now. Plants are growing almost too fast. I forgot how great ebb and flow is . Anyway about 20 of the plants in veg are ready to go into flower right now. They will have to wait until after the weekend before they get started because I need to build another bloom room for them. This will become my breeding room, and a place for bonus plants. Bought the lumber and ordered some new toys for the room:
2 x BlockBuster Reflector
1 x Galaxy 600 Watt Select-A-Watt Ballast
1 x Ushio Hilux Gro 600w Bulb
6 x Coco Chips
5 x Coco Blocks
1 x 10" Max-Fan 1100 CFM
2 x Phresh Filter 8" X 24" 750cfm each
1 x 10x8x8 duct wye
1 x 10" 90 duct fitting
1 x 10x10' Pondliner


I'm going to be lame and do this room horizontal with ebb/flow tables for two reasons.
1. Consistancy. I'll be doing alot of seed popping in here, and I want each plant to have equal feed and watering. This ensures no plant is getting preferencial treatment.

2. Low maintainence. Ebb/flow is easier design wise with horizontal lighting. I also want to test the difference in light strength and spread with 1200w of hps vs 1200w of flouroscent lighting covering the same 4x8' area.

Speaking of testing. I havn't gotten around to ocra vs primer yet, but I did notice something very interesting. I was testing the t5's against the t8's and found the t8's produce exactly half as much light as the t5. Not a big suprise as the t5 uses twice the wattage. However the plants under the t8's are growing just as fast and producing about 90% as many nodes as the t5 plants. I feel like for the cost input to results ratio I prefer the t8's. Cheaper to buy, half the price to run, with nearly identical results. Only flaw in this test, and it's a big one. The bulbs are different brands/model.


As you can see they are pretty even for the most part.

All of the vegging plants will be raped for clones in the next day or two. The bigger ones are two cenex and one dead man's kush.

Extra clones ready for transplant. Probably give these to a patient, or kill them....

Continued.....

 

[Mister_D]

Seeds are doing so so. Not unhealthy but they seem kind of slow to take for some reason.

The bottom of the rack filled in pretty well. I want the whole unit to look like this.

Undervegged

 

[Mister_D]

Couple close ups @ ~4 weeks

 

[silver hawaiian]

D

You say undervegged, but I thought that was kind of by design on this run.. ? Not seeing much canopy space between shelves/levels, so I fingered you were lookin' for about this size..?


Regardless,