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Ebb and Grow
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NeWcS
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Not sure if this is the same system you're talking about but might be; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-CM2-lk1Q0
ebb and grow
ebb and grow
Yes the system with the black pots is what I am interested. I want to learn all I can before trying to switch from soil to ebb and grow. That sure to grow looks good and I have never seen it before. Any idea what kind of yield these plants give? I am confused on how often to refill the 55 gallon drum? When adding nutes to an unknown quantity I wonder about consistency. I plan on using 16 pots on the one 55 gallon drum. Thanks for the help if you think of anything else for a beginner would be appreciated.
ebb and grow
Yes the system with the black pots is what I am interested. I want to learn all I can before trying to switch from soil to ebb and grow. That sure to grow looks good and I have never seen it before. Any idea what kind of yield these plants give? I am confused on how often to refill the 55 gallon drum? When adding nutes to an unknown quantity I wonder about consistency. I plan on using 16 pots on the one 55 gallon drum. Thanks for the help if you think of anything else for a beginner would be appreciated.
fdish - my 2cents for what its worth:
Bought the 2 gal bucket version by CAP. Its nice and simple. Comes w 12 but yoiu can buy 6 add'l and comes w all hardware. I'd line the inner bucket cause I had root tips rot as they bstand in water. Alos, use hydroton. I f'd up and tried this crap first go round called growstones. seen the reps at agrow show and they know they suck and said theyre makin pores smaller. Little good that did me.
Yields are good for such small buckets. Bout the same as 5 gal soil. So depending on how big ur gonna veg em, up to 6 oz depending on strain. At 16 in flwr ur probably looking at around 3 oz / ea unless you got lots o light and space. Assuming you'll rock +- 2k watts in flwr? I've since modified mine for a dwc system but might give it another run soon cause its so simple.
Keep the nutes simple! Go sterile w a something like GH Dou or Flora 3 part and nothing else except vit B and/or rapid start. Or look into EWC tea, which I am experimenting with at the moment. With EWC tea go 1/4 strenght on nutes. You'll still need a complete fert like the GH listed.
Bought the 2 gal bucket version by CAP. Its nice and simple. Comes w 12 but yoiu can buy 6 add'l and comes w all hardware. I'd line the inner bucket cause I had root tips rot as they bstand in water. Alos, use hydroton. I f'd up and tried this crap first go round called growstones. seen the reps at agrow show and they know they suck and said theyre makin pores smaller. Little good that did me.
Yields are good for such small buckets. Bout the same as 5 gal soil. So depending on how big ur gonna veg em, up to 6 oz depending on strain. At 16 in flwr ur probably looking at around 3 oz / ea unless you got lots o light and space. Assuming you'll rock +- 2k watts in flwr? I've since modified mine for a dwc system but might give it another run soon cause its so simple.
Keep the nutes simple! Go sterile w a something like GH Dou or Flora 3 part and nothing else except vit B and/or rapid start. Or look into EWC tea, which I am experimenting with at the moment. With EWC tea go 1/4 strenght on nutes. You'll still need a complete fert like the GH listed.
hey guys- currently i'm doing 8-10, 5gallon individual bucket dwc. and its killing my 60 yr old back. i was thinking of getting one of the cap controllers and connecting my buckets to a reservoir. i was planning on just using the net pot/lid and let the roots dangle. is the only reason to fill the pot with hygroton to add weight? if so i can just put a couple of bricks on the lid when they get topheavy. i also can't see the reason for a double pot except to be able to move them around? if the roots grow into the second pot, their not going to be easy to move anyhow.
Great idea, BUT make sure the controller is for their 5 gal bucket system not the 2 galllon. I got a sweet deal on the 2 gal system so I'm not quite able to do what I want, and what it sounds like your gonna do. Problem is that the water level in the 2 gal controller doesn't go high enogh and if you raise the controller you wont get complete drain.
Generally speaking the roots do not grow much past the first pot . its purpose is to keep the hydroton out of the lines.
You can also connect them at the bottom w 3/4 tubing to a bucket or rubbermaid and then get a pump to run drip lines through the side of buckets (makes it ez to move net pots) and now you have a recirc dwc. The return res will have same ph and ec. You can even chill it with chiller or frozen jugs. Then either have a drain valve or buy a bucket head shop vac to change out. If your runnin just a simple and clean chem nutes (run drip clean to keep em from cloggin - run from start or heard it may cause probs)you can even screw sprayers onto ends of drip lines.
hey medicalmj thanks for the advice. i had look into recirc dwc but didn't like having all those intake and output lines. the ebb and grow system only uses 1. plus i've found several controllers for less than $350 assembled with 7 gal tanks. with recirc it seems like its all diy.
True the ebb & flow is much simplier!
BTW how were you going to configure? As a hybrid or just 2-4 15 min flood cycles/day as suggested in manual?
Curious cause some have reversed with a drain cycle every couple hours, which allows soultion from each to homgenize and/or cool if theres a chiller/ice jugs in res. So its a dwc with a drain every so often. That'd also suck fresh air into bucket as water drains back.
as of now i was thinking of only transfering it back to the rez during lights out, primarily to remix and recalibrate the ph. the tempurature of the air in the empty bucket should be coolest during lights out. i've been reading lots of threads, especially one over at rollitup.com, and they all talk of the increase incidence of root rot in their systems. one of the theories was the water in the tube was heating up from the lights and colonizing pyrithium, leading to widespread bucket infections. i only do 1 grow a year, usually start after football season and finish early summer before the temps in the basement get too high
keep the controller bucket lower than your fill buckets, by about a inch or so, this will drain the last lil bit of water, I use hydroton and netpots for my system. if your getting root rot , i would asume you do not have enough time between fills,, any extra water in my buckets are not a issue. btw, you do not need to fill as much during the dark period as you do the light.
thats my .02
thats my .02
smithsutton
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in dwc or nft root rot have been because of high water temps also .. between 68 to 72 has been my goal .. also fugus nats will be around if the water temps are to high ..
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smithsutton
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5 gallon ebb?? A fello runs 5 gallon with constant flow and always has issues. I never do. always figured with no current to follow the roots did not travel?
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Man, id hate to see you spend 350 bucks on a controller for this system, when i heard eventually the float valves just get stuck, i suppose they all do eventually.
this isnt hard to DIY, even for a old man =P
Get 2 pumps and 2 timers, one pump feeding a control bucket ( 5 gallon control bucket for 3 1/2 feed buckets ) and one pump to return the water back into the reservoir.
adjust your two timers so you fill your buckets up in a timely manner, and drain aswell.
screw dropping 350 bones for a control bucket.
When choosing a control bucket, the new ones often come with 2 floats per switch, one as a backup. At least mine does.
If I had to rebuy, I'd but a titan system,, all mesh inserts with square buckets.
One last lil note, when setting up lines , make syre you have a loop system, , if one part of the line gets plugged, water will find a way around the blockage then.
If I had to rebuy, I'd but a titan system,, all mesh inserts with square buckets.
One last lil note, when setting up lines , make syre you have a loop system, , if one part of the line gets plugged, water will find a way around the blockage then.
smithsutton
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this comes from wet floors .. and we no that we all have had a few of them .. i flooded my basement one time lol .. we learn from our mistakes and here we also get to learn from others ..
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