Wholesale pot prices plummet. Now there starting to get better

[krunchbubble]

God its dry....

Have stacks and stacks and cant get no one to trade DECENT green for them. Or they are hollering some obnoxious numbers that makes me want to slap em...

 

[megayields]

Prices up terrific (bang head here)

Prices up terrific (bang head here)

GREAT and I just lost half my last indoor crop to PM! I SOO agree with Yesforprop215 if you don't grown commerically you have NO idea how many things can happen to turn $12K in indoor dank into a pile in your hash bucket..it JUST happened to me....well at least I put a few plants out in the backyard!

and...(note the ones on the roof LOL)

here is my outdoor GSC!

 

[Arthritis_sucks]

God its dry....

Have stacks and stacks and cant get no one to trade DECENT green for them. Or they are hollering some obnoxious numbers that makes me want to slap em...

Tis why I went personal med grow only, as I was to close to smackin a bitch lol. Now im sittin on all these 1000 watt systems wishin I had a couple leds.

 

[Veg N Out]

Light Dep @ 25 and last years out door moving @ 15....

 

[NorCal]

Yeah there's def shit around but people are asking retarded numbers here In The bay and with certain strains quality is way down at the moment. People prob trying to wait for the right time to be able to get rid of their bullshit.... Up north it's a buyers market 24/7 but thats if you want to make the DRIVE. LOL don't get me wrong there's def people that DO but it's a LOOONG stressful drive.

People are crazy though. At this point it seems like buyers are TRYING to hold out but kinda shooting themselves in the foot in the meantime. And the growers are trying to recoup their losses from earlier in the year while......"shooting themselves In the foot in the meantime."

At some point the market has to shift though. It does every year it just seems like the window of time is a lot shorter nowadays.


Anyways........Saw some fire cherry pies for 28 the other day but the nugs were smaller than usual. Shits still sitting there.

Just saw some fire sours for 29 and those were swooped up within the day.
Seems high quality sours and OGs are in high demand but even then I'd know NOBODY that woukd drop 32 on either.

Seems all the blue dreams (commercial) strains are still around but in smaller quantity with ALOT lower quality.

 

[NorCal]

And bwahahaha @3 plants. Why even bother mentioning that. I seriously LOLd when I read that. And yeah prop I couldn't have said it better myself. Maybe I should post some pics of my pg&e bills LOL yessir it's real fun paying all these CRAZY bills every month and working under some artificial sun..

 

[Yes4Prop215]

saw blue dreams today at a nice ticket but the quality wasnt the best...looked slightly heat stressed and premature but had the stink.....but also easily needed another few days of cure. but shit at this point its WORK cant get personal with it....not something id smoke but the masses demand bud..

also saw some straight garbage indoor "bubba kush" they were asking 23 for, but wasnt even something worth 16 IMO....major heat stress was brittle and fluffy, very little trichs, bad smell, ive seen outdoor that looks way better.

ahha yea norcal i seen that power bill...thats more than most peoples mortgages lol....one reason i LOOOOVE that outdoor sun!

 

[whadeezlrg]

gsc 36
og 34
others 3-32

indoor, VHQ

 

[Hydrosun]

gsc 36
og 34
others 3-32

indoor, VHQ

That seems like WholTail kind of wholesale / retail. But if one is lucky enough to find VHQ indoor it gets scooped up even with a spendy ticket.

 

[RespectGreen]

This week I've "seen"

Deathstar- 3400$

Top shelp OGs, and some FireOGxPre98Bubba- 3600$

The Regular OGR gear, and some other hybrids @ 29.... Decent quality, but not top shelf


Getting dry over here, got the last of the 2900$ stuff

 

[m4n]

Anyone got any input on prices bein a lil higher this year during harvest season cause.of all of the fires??

 

[woolybear]

God its dry....

Have stacks and stacks and cant get no one to trade DECENT green for them. Or they are hollering some obnoxious numbers that makes me want to slap em...

I enjoy living vicariously thru u guys. Shop talk is fun.

 

[FreedomFightr]

Feds behavior towards humanity is despicable. Who wakes up every day hunting for prisoners to throw into a cage for a 5 year minimum. But, a major crackdown is a tsunami waiting. See they went from SD to SF/NOR CAL now down to LA. Possibly their agenda was start in the smaller beach border towns. test the waters. Move through the north and hit all the big timers. Then on through the 100 something retails in the LA area. With enough time to let the election momentum build. What I'm getting to is they probably were just testing California 1st and the political backlash. See how the people, patients, community react. Feds trump the States. It's either they sit back & watch states 1 by 1 turn medical OR Say mmmmm yea fuck that. We're using our alphabet friends and pissing on your parade. Well if MJ goes legal the dea is due for that oh so long LAY OFF. 1/2 the agency sound about right, right?? Judging by their actions I'm keeping an umbrella close by because I see black clouds forming.

I Hear you brother, My father once told me, "That all good things must come to an end". I believe this fully. I honestly never see the FEDS making the herbs legal. I feel we have another year or 2 before this Medical Experiment is over. So fellow growers lets do the best we can, for the allowed time we have, to be some what legal. And for peeps that will go underground now is a good time to sharpen up your game and prepare to be an underground ninja grower.

 

[Hydrosun]

Underground is where to be in ANY event. Crack down is like whack a mole, better to be under ground then head held high with a state registered target

 

[SCF]

I Hear you brother, My father once told me, "That all good things must come to an end". I believe this fully. I honestly never see the FEDS making the herbs legal. I feel we have another year or 2 before this Medical Experiment is over. So fellow growers lets do the best we can, for the allowed time we have, to be some what legal. And for peeps that will go underground now is a good time to sharpen up your game and prepare to be an underground ninja grower.

Medical Marijuana is here to stay. dont roll over dead just yet. we have over 13 states with it. and much more. we are closer than ever. its the Clubs, that may take the hit.... but thats all up for interpretation.

 

[feenom]

this is my first post on the board here in about a year and a half or so...sometimes you just get burnt out ( no pun intended ) on things right? anyhow, have been growing more ganja and typing less about ganja. damn how i've learned so much from this board...

i digress.

no doubt growing herb is a dedicated process if you want to do it right, or do it commercial size, or both. it takes time. money. it can be stressful but very rewarding in the end, both monetarily and providing a great sense of accomplishment in the form of green sticky organic goodness. medicine for ill people, an herbal sacrament for people to enjoy a sunny day and reason about the beautiful aspects of life. it can be the extra aural boost for some great live music. or an awesome intensifier to the sports i have enjoyed over the years such as snowboarding, surfing, and skateboarding. it's a wonderful plant.

having been in the medical scene in the wonderful golden state for a few years i have seen the prices drop from low to mid 2's in '09, high teens in '10, low to mid teens last year. ( we won't even get into the early 2000's $3,000-$4,000 numbers) of course if you dry, cure, store properly and wait until spring or summer you can squeeze more out of your lb's. these are averages for well grown outdoor in the state. and this is wholesale amounts. of course there are exceptions to these averages. sometimes you have a patient that would pay a bit more for a strain they really like or you can sell a small quantity to someone not really deep into the scene and get a bit more....

the outdoor scene on the left coast is still a great living if you have the skills and network. the people most upset are the out of state indoor guys getting flooded with medical state surplus and seeing their revenues drop while they are still breaking the same draconian laws. i can see how that would be unsettling, but here is the important part: prices have been high because of prohibition. prices are lower now because of the permissiveness of the medical states. change is happening. this is a GOOD thing. people do not deserve to be locked up for growing this plant, let alone smoking this plant!!! some are thinking to themselves, well my state is not medi, i can still get popped and im suffering lower prices for my product because of the medical states and that is not fair!! i see your point, however the choice is yours to make a living off growing this herb or not. you are not being forced to do this. you do it for a love of the herb or the freedom of being your own boss or the financial rewards, or more. if the income produced becomes too little for your liking then sell the land with the soil, the drying room , and all of the above to a friend or someone who would be more than willing to fill your shoes. put money away, folks! quit with the new lifted trucks, boats, toys, and the hard partying...live more simply and plan for the future in which you may be out of a job unless you can get your shit together and play with some of the future boutique, micro growery type outfits , or get your shit together and learn how to plant and manage orchards/row crops!! where you go with this industry is YOUR CHOICE.

the prices falling mean the laws are becoming more lax, more people are growing. if you are against full legalization because you do not want to see your profits squeezed even further then you are holding an opinion that to me is completely self-serving, unethical, and just flat out repulsive. you are condoning incarceration of peaceful cannabis smokers and growers. your are perpetuating the government's hinderance on our personal liberties. how can you look at yourself in the mirror? do yourself a favor and get your values in line with how you otherwise perceive yourself to be. being against legalization because of the perceived "corporate takeover" that will ensue is not reason enough to be against it. while i don't believe it will be a complete phillip-morriss type monopolization, the change of the business landscape of pot will simply be a by product to people being able to enjoy a joint in the open in Tulsa, Oklahoma or on a patio in Brooklyn, without fear of arrest. It will mean many fellow cannabis smokers and growers freed from prison...the full federal legalization of cannabis will mean more freedom for millions of americans. and this, my friends, is invaluable.

 

[TripleDraw27]

the prices falling mean the laws are becoming more lax, more people are growing.

Good post, but let me ask you this.

How come every year, prices drop at a certain point of the year and climb again? Every year. Following your logic, that means for the last 7 years I have grown, every year the laws become lax in the summer, then the laws " disappear" again and my prices resume.

. Not sure about you, but I get close to , or the same amount I have since I started. I deal with 4 brokers, all of which dont know each other yet all of them call for the same prices( they know their markets). None of which are down, none of which have been effected by some phony lax laws.

My 2cents, prices falling is only because we get flooded with outdoor at a certain time of the year. And because there are more growers who grow bad bud. Hay. Hay.Hay.
But that passes and things go back to normal.



Back on topic.

I saw another 3200 x 3 some Kush variant and a 3500 x2 ogk.
I also saw a 2500 which I havent seen in about a year ( oh no must be the lawzz)
It was mids , aa maybe.

 

[Infinitesimal]

Good post, but let me ask you this.

How come every year, prices drop at a certain point of the year and climb again? Every year. Following your logic, that means for the last 7 years I have grown, every year the laws become lax in the summer, then the laws " disappear" again and my prices resume.

. Not sure about you, but I get close to , or the same amount I have since I started. I deal with 4 brokers, all of which dont know each other yet all of them call for the same prices( they know their markets). None of which are down, none of which have been effected by some phony lax laws.

My 2cents, prices falling is only because we get flooded with outdoor at a certain time of the year. And because there are more growers who grow bad bud. Hay. Hay.Hay.
But that passes and things go back to normal.



Back on topic.

I saw another 3200 x 3 some Kush variant and a 3500 x2 ogk.
I also saw a 2500 which I havent seen in about a year ( oh no must be the lawzz)
It was mids , aa maybe.

damn... 3,200-3,500... that is still uber cheap to me... if it is some actual heat... middlemen must have formed a labor union or something, those seem like good margins.

does triple A still go for 50 1/8, 300 + a zip on the retail side? I know I have paid more to get some sour bubble grown by BOG, from a dispensary, but I don't know how it works in the normal market


I think its a mixture of all of it... especially the fact that there are more and more growers that grow shittier bud... that drives almost everyone's prices down

 

[norcal_sourD]

My 2cents, prices falling is only because we get flooded with outdoor at a certain time of the year. And because there are more growers who grow bad bud. Hay. Hay.Hay.
But that passes and things go back to normal

TRUTH.

 

[feenom]

Good post, but let me ask you this.

How come every year, prices drop at a certain point of the year and climb again? Every year. Following your logic, that means for the last 7 years I have grown, every year the laws become lax in the summer, then the laws " disappear" again and my prices resume.

. Not sure about you, but I get close to , or the same amount I have since I started. I deal with 4 brokers, all of which dont know each other yet all of them call for the same prices( they know their markets). None of which are down, none of which have been effected by some phony lax laws.

My 2cents, prices falling is only because we get flooded with outdoor at a certain time of the year. And because there are more growers who grow bad bud. Hay. Hay.Hay.
But that passes and things go back to normal.



Back on topic.

I saw another 3200 x 3 some Kush variant and a 3500 x2 ogk.
I also saw a 2500 which I havent seen in about a year ( oh no must be the lawzz)
It was mids , aa maybe.

well yeah it's true that prices are down when the supply is up in the fall and start to rise in spring when supply goes down. so naturally you'd see the prices fluctuating a bit throughout the year. but the fall has always been the harvest time for outdoor in the northern hemisphere, and people have been growing in ca for the last 40 years. but over the years , namely the past decade , the number of growers has multiplied and the fall flood on the market has intensified. the past few years have been insane. land parcels are getting snatched up left and right in the area. there is a massive ancillary industry that has blossomed as well. so yes, there has always been more buds around in fall, but if there are 10 times the number of buds in fall of '11 as there were in fall of '07 then of course the prices fall. there are 10x the amount of growers because of the permissiveness of the laws both locally in sort of a de facto way and what we thought was a federal relaxed stance with the ogden memo from the current ( crooked ) administration.

let me ask you, your geographic location? left coast or no? i think the main concept of the prices falling is more applicable to the big producers, ca , co , or , etc...


if you are in a medical state and you are seeing the same types of numbers for your product over the last 7 years then you are defying all the laws of supply and demand and are sort of an anomaly in this sense. but like i said, the numbers quoted above were sort of a rough general basis for prices. this is to my knowledge a representation of the last few years. maybe you are in a medi state but on a smaller scale with a niche market?

herb is worth what it is because of it's prohibitive nature. consider yourself fortunate to be in the grey area right now in which it is emerging from the underground and still hasn't fully surfaced yet. this time will be looked back upon as "the green rush" or whatever type of cheesy catch phrase people will assign to it; a time when 36 plants in your back yard could net you as much yearly income as a doctor or lawyer.

the amount of smokers in this country hasn't increased at the same rate that the number of growers has. so that means that more herb that is smoked was grown domestically. mexico and canada have more competition.

cheers.