The growing large plants, outdoors, thread...

[mr.shiva]

Funny I used one old mom but really root pruned the crap out of her & re-potted in April & planted out late may, has been working great on the hill.

Your plants look great btw I'd like to track down some GRS seed stock for next season. Some TH for that matter too

 

[CanniDo Cowboy]

and just for shits and giggles...this is what happens when you put out a 5month old mother plant in a 200...total waste of space and time! i tried target feeding, top dressing, nothing seems to help...they are light green, sickly and barely growing at all...i was told 4-5 times by the vets here to NOT USE MOTHERS and i didnt listen so i fully deserve this shitty plant..
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so yeah in case you didnt read before...learn from my mistake


DO NOT USE OLD MOTHER PLANTS.....only fresh young children.

Yes-pard, I think your crackin under the strain of mid season gro-stress. LOL Personally, I dont buy into the "Dont plant older mothers" claim. It's worthy of being a theory but the lack of VERIFIABLE & SCIENTIFIC proof makes it just that. A theory. Ya know, us growers can be real quick to blame the particular plant(s), the strain etc for its failure to perform up to our personal standards instead of assuming either some or ALL of the blame. As we all know, a theory can also be an excuse or alibi in disguise. Right?

Looking at your other photos Yes-dude, something may be amiss other than just 'shitty" plants. They arent hovering in the xtra large dept either. (Just agreein with ya here...) Perhaps you the grower missed something else along the way?

Ive never had a "shitty" plant. That sounds pretty cold, IMO. LOL Not saying I havent had under-achievers cause Ive certainly had my share but somewhere along the line, I usually had a hand in creating the disappointment. One way...or another. I figure every plant, no matter how good or bad, gives me what they got and the rest is up to me. And if the plant was weak to begin with, it never should have made the big show and that again is on me, the grower. An old mother? Maybe. Poor genetics? Maybe also. But end the end, either way, it shouldnt happen if the grower knows what he/she is doing.

Choosing good phenos early on is key and a step that should not be skipped EVEN when working with seeds. Seeds dont guarantee perfect plants either, leastways not out of the gate. it still takes a pheno selection process. If the best clones are verified and then selected for outdoors by observing the growth patterns while still indoors and then the same clones fail to thrive outdoors, that may not signify clone faultiness. They already showed ya who they was and what their potential was. More times than not, the simple reality is the grower may need to step up his game. As my grandpappy used to say, "Ya cant get blood from a turnip or a weak-ass clone... CC

 

[MedResearcher]

Curious as to how much water everyone has been using lately, in the large breathable pots?


We have been using around 12 gals a day, in breathable 300s. More precisely about 35 gals every 3rd day.

Everything has been looking great in the heat, super perky. Although very recently I noticed 1 specific strain which happens to be larger than the rest, looking just slightly not as perky. Doesn't make sense that it has been over watered since the smaller ones are still ripping away. I have began to think it may need more water, although I am reluctant to increase it. Hoping for some feedback on water consumption so I can make a comparison.

Thanks,
Mr^^

 

[Yes4Prop215]

yea its probably that....i was in a rush to fill pots this year and had to use every plant i could find...about 5 of my pots are very under performing cuts that are barely growing...very angry about this. all my seed starts blew up so definately gonna pop more beans next year...and only pick the healthiest clones...

i had 1 ft blue dream clones in beer cups planted 2 weeks after the "shitty mom" and they are 2x as big and way more healthy...all the same soil mix and water feeding..

 

[organic P]

i agree with y4p215 and veg n out. ive got two more examples of old worn out plants that cant hold a candle to my fresh starts. dont know y anyone would argue against this. seems like more than enough examples, from multiple growers, that youth and vigor are tied as one

 

[bajangreen]

I think its the auxins (or some hormone) that builds up in the in the old leaf "tips" of the mother plants that cause the plants to do poorly so in theory you could remove some of the leafs and they should do better.

 

[ROOTWISE]

Pictures taken just as the sun was hitting the greenhouse this morning....gotta love that morning light!

Hope all is well with everyone....

 

[ROOTWISE]

And yes, even I, Rootwise, took a seat on the Blue Dream Bus this year. Here she is, late planted because I knew she'd fill whatever space I put her in....just wanted to see what she was all about.

Here's where flower stage is currently on most plants...

 

[theJointedOne]

Looking awesome RootWise-

Your spacing seems impeccable and they stretched right into the hortinet really well.

Seems like everything is maturing a bit faster than the past couple years, I may be wrong, but imho this year will be earlier for us than most. Now, at least in NorCal, we just have to keep our fingers crossed for a better fall than the last. Something tells me it may test our patience again but i am hoping quite the opposite

 

[ForestBuds]

Yes4Prop215 - Your current crop look a lot lot better than the last year run. You're on the path to the very top.

RootWise - Now that's what being on the very top of your game looks like!

Great tips everyone! Over three quarter of my crop has started flowering. Most of them should be finish before 3rd week October.

 

[GanjaRebelSeeds]

Looks great guys.
Yesprop: Your garden is a million times better than last year,imagine what you can do in 2013.

Rootwise: Those things are freakin monsters as usual. Awesome.

Here's a few of ours.
5G's Yellow f2

ECSD X Durban

 

[oldhaole]

Nice job ROOTWISE...

If I may add my two cents to the mother debate....

Since mothers tend to stick around they do get rootbound, no matter how many repots they go thru. The root system is all wraped up in itself. So they don't make the best big plants.

This year hasn't been the best weatherwise, but I managed to get one giant Jack Herer double out of the deal.

Planted straight into the dirt...she should yield well.

Depending on the sun and clouds she averages 10 gallons every three days. Most from the top. but I bury a dripper under the plant too.

I only got in there and fed her and cleaned up the center last week...before that all she had, fertilizer wise, was a couple of handfuls of time release (14-14-14)

She is supported by and tied into an internal bamboo frame.

In her shadow...is another smaller girl....only eight ft tall.

Since our longest day is 13 and a half hours long, a clone taken from the light roon will bud immediatly. Always. So we must use seeds. The Jack seed was planted directly inground mid March. She has just started to flower.

 

[Bonzo]

absolutely awe-inspiring trees everyone!

 

[BassDrip]

nice ganja and root... those are some TREES! big ups!

 

[CanniDo Cowboy]

Alrighty then...First - This is the large plant thread so here's some (IMO) respectable large plants.

Now, to keep from gettin some of my fellow gro-bros all cacklin like a bunch of distraught hens, the plants in the photo ARE ALL mothers. Now I dont know anything about attempting to plant "out worn out mothers" but yea, that doesnt sound promising and truthfully, the only out worn out mother I ever knew was my own dear ol Mom but she mostly got that way from puttin up with my sorry ass for years.

To clarify, if you are talking about a mother plant that has been kept in a closet since you were in high school well yea, I wouldnt suggest planting it if you plan on goin for the gold. Nor a mother plant that's been unmercifully kept indoors as a clone machine for unending runs. What would be the point?

I am referring to mother plants as the above garden. The mothers began as March clones, raised indoors under soft white flouros, raised to apprx 3ft and then 6 cuts were taken from each. The moms then went to the greenhouse/hot house in April under flouro supp lighting and planted outdoors June 15. Old & worn out? No. But mother plants never-the-less and hell, they all look pretty respectable to me.

Some growers have their own theories & methods based on personal experience. Others just drag a little bag around behind them stuffed full with a bunch of "what someone else told ems". Myself, I go with the personal experience. It's more reliable in the long run...CC

 

[skullznroses]

Canni-do nice job, good points, way to own your grow.

The old stock plants suck because they are not on a "growing" seasonal timeline. ONce the plants go dormant from not generating enough new root materials there is something that happens within the vascular system which essentials slows the growth potential. The plant learns to grow slowly because it isn't given space to expand and so the addition of new cells stops. ONce the growing engine has been slowed, there are some inbred varieties which lack natural vigor and don't recalibrate very well. Also the conditions outdoors is not the same as the conditions indoors and if you have lots of old growth without mANY healthy shoots you are going to have a runt.

My wwxBB and WW stock plants are shocked from the transition, while the more vigorous growing skunk types that are not too inbred made better rebounds. I think it has to do with how many time the terminal node has been removed and if the plant can get new fan leaves/leaders to the top of the plant triggering a second explosion of roots.

Also it really depends on the variety again I can sense on whether an old clone will do better then a new clone.

It is the searching new roots which find their way into new places in the soil and then create a strong network that can provide the liquids and nutrients to the top of the plant. If your plant has never been root bound pruning this plant before putting it outside if fine, especially if the roots have freedom and the plant has time to create apex branches at the top of the plant.... before being placed into the outdoors. You are experiencing transplant shock at the same time the plant is needing to regenerate itself.

old orchard wisdom says that maintaining the lead shoot that expands upwards is essential for vigorous growth... so if you have no leaders on a mother to speak of the plant will miss the vernal clues of the season that it must begin to make shoots to catch male pollen. If your plant is stalled in the ground and does not ramp up production quickly once it is the ground it will only be puttering along with a back up engine instead of riding the fan leaves up and outward before it starts its slow reproductive death.

if the plant is shocked for too long it won't achieve rapid growth, and thats the problem... even though there were many shoot the shoots were all stunted and the plant remains in the same shape essentially... plants need to follow the season or else their internal chemistry will not use the sun power to increase energy.

Id say what you are using are some more liked single moms who have a kid but still get laid quickly since they are young...nobody at the club knows about the kids

 

[Dr. Purpur]

Heres a trick shot to make my Mullim a bit look bigger. I started late this year to make sure this thing didnt get to 23 foot tall

Its a NH21 x Mullimbimby Madness

 

[organic P]

all ur plants are the same age. you have no fresh starts to compare. u r a skilled gardener and craftsman cowbow. however, unless u had same strain, same contaner, same amendments, planted @ same time, with exact same amount of sun. (with only variant being age of plant) to compare. how could u make an assertion that it matters not?

edit: march isnt that old its only a month older than my freshest. my "old" ladies were cut in the winter. and aint shit compared to my april starts.

 

[smoooth]

 

[theJointedOne]

Respect to OB, your garden was and is beautiful and your skills are proven and thorough. Next year bro...next year..until then lets all dedicate some energy to OB, and pass it on through our plants and the vibes....