Hazed starting over! Time to convert? Help!

[Hazed]

DISCLAIMER: Many things you are about to see in this thread, are done half hazard (WRONG) due to circumstances beyond my control.
If you need help with a grow I would urge you to begin your own thread and let these awesome growers help you based on your own situation!

"Women tell your children not to do what I have done in the house of the rising sun!"
~Animals~

So our family business was basically destroyed by paying double employee liabilities to the Gubermint, and other aspects of this thriving economy not to mention some fucked up human intervention from a certain relative.

Had to move everything, chop plants that were a week away from harvest, and am now basically flat broke, looking for a job, and need to do something with the plants I managed to save.

More pics are on the way!
Here is what is left of the bitches, seedlings and clones are in and on the wood boxes w/1000k and mover for life support, Thanks for lookin at my thread!

 

[farmhouse cat]

Dig some holes and use the god given sunshine. If yas can. If not i would buy a tent and flower them. Need more details?

 

[Hazed]

I thought using a metal building would be a good way to get off to a cheap start.
Also a few pics of materials I saved from my old grow rooms.

Let me know if you think them plants look like vert material, the stadium cups are lanky as hell but maybe could clean some suckers pot up to 2 gallon and tie them to some wire around a bare bulb?

Really lookin for bang for buck here bro's!
Heres some of my grow junk, and that metal building,
ETA: the little shed is 9'x7'x 6' the thing has a peak inside so there is about 5.5' headroom for plants with a light over them,

 

[Hazed]

Dig some holes and use the god given sunshine. If yas can. If not i would buy a tent and flower them. Need more details?

Unfortunately, I dont have your weather bro. If this was spring then I sure would have these gals out in the sunshine, but just not enough growing season left here in yank hell, lol.

Cant afford a tent, but what you think of that steel shed for temporary, then hopefully start building some good sht when Im back on my feet. Its great to hear from you, Im looking forward to seeing you kill it with your racks!

That building is sitting inside a 24x60 steel building and should run one bloom as long as I have lights on at night for heat.
I added the following dimensions to the above post,
ETA: the little shed is 9'x7'x 6' the thing has a peak inside so there is about 5.5' headroom for plants with a light over them,

 

[farmhouse cat]

You could absolutely flower them in that shed. You would have to do some hard thinking on how to dial the environment with your limits. But I see plenty of space. Maybe put the plants against the walls and hang a couple bulbs in the center, and hand water. It would get you to a harvest!

 

[Hazed]

You could absolutely flower them in that shed. You would have to do some hard thinking on how to dial the environment with your limits. But I see plenty of space. Maybe put the plants against the walls and hang a couple bulbs in the center, and hand water. It would get you to a harvest!

I have all my old stuff,
2 440 cfm fans
1 240 cfm fan
sht loads of vent pipe and everything else from 2 bloom rooms and one veg room I tore down.

That door I think will have to be stick framed in, I been scratchin my head for a few days on how to make this thing light proof.
Used some "great stuff" which I know off gases but never had trouble with 2 or more air exchanges per min.

Oh and gotta get some flat white paint for walls. Seroius bro I have never been so damned broke! In the process of passing certs in my old trade so I can go to a job already guaranteed to me in mid Sept, so just gotta get these bitches self supporting real quick!
Thanks again man, you have been a great help with your thread/s.

 

[Ichabod Crane]

Save the money for the paint. Just hang the bulb in the center and surround it with a canopy of green. Take that tarp and put it over the door to the shed. Go to the hydro store and spend the paint money on a self adhesive zipper and put that on the tarp. If you have the tarp sealed around the edges you now have a light tight door. Seriously I showed a friend how to set up the same grow with no reflective walls in the middle of his basement and he got 20 ounces on his first grow with out anyone's help.

Get a block of coco and up pot your plants and water them with AN Jungle Juice with heads 6ml/9ml ph to 5.8. Jungle Juice will get you threw your grow real cheap. I know people don't like it but it will work and it is real cheap.

 

[bobblehead]

Yeah dude... Weed donuts with plants on the ground are the budget grower's best friend! Don't do anything experimental... Stick with what you know works! If you have the reflectors already... With only 5' of head room, you might wanna use them... For the sake of cramming more plants in your shed. I hear numbers dictate yield...

At least your plants look to be in good health! Pullin up my bucket...

 

[Hazed]

Save the money for the paint. Just hang the bulb in the center and surround it with a canopy of green. Take that tarp and put it over the door to the shed. Go to the hydro store and spend the paint money on a self adhesive zipper and put that on the tarp. If you have the tarp sealed around the edges you now have a light tight door. Seriously I showed a friend how to set up the same grow with no reflective walls in the middle of his basement and he got 20 ounces on his first grow with out anyone's help.

Get a block of coco and up pot your plants and water them with AN Jungle Juice with heads 6ml/9ml ph to 5.8. Jungle Juice will get you threw your grow real cheap. I know people don't like it but it will work and it is real cheap.

Hi Ichabod Crane,
Thanks for stopping in and giving me some good ideas!
The tarp idea is great but has a couple problems. If you pay 4.99 for a zipper, then I will pay 24.99 at my local grow whores. That tarp in the pic is a cheapy from harbor freight, it is silver on both sides and leaks light like a sieve.

When I saw things starting to go to hell I stocked up on coco, got 5 blocks lol. I been using some FF gro big hydro nute with drip clean so far.
about 4 months ago I bought AN Connoisseur A & B 1Liter which came with 3 250 ml jugs of Nirvana, Overdrive, and Bud factor x.
Do you think this stuff would work ok for now? Maybe not enough to completely finish the crop, but Im sure I could restock by the time it runs out.
About all I have other than that is Peters, or Jacks classic, about 40 lbs grow and bloom that was intended for tomatoes, lol.

The other reason I was thinking about just screwin a stick framed wall up to the inside, was because I could add an overlapping osb door, offset the door if needed, and also use the osb on both sides of the door to cut vent pipe holes, attach a inside cage fan for circulation, and mount fan controls, thermometer...
And to be honest I was a little scared of cutting holes in that cheap assed tin, lol.

Yeah dude... Weed donuts with plants on the ground are the budget grower's best friend! Don't do anything experimental... Stick with what you know works! If you have the reflectors already... With only 5' of head room, you might wanna use them... For the sake of cramming more plants in your shed. I hear numbers dictate yield...

At least your plants look to be in good health! Pullin up my bucket...

Hi Bobble, great to get some input from you! Was originally thinking of going with a 2k HPS flat grow while I get a few of my other girls vegging in 5 gallon buckets around a 600w mh for a weed doughnut.

I was just getting to the end of the pheno hunt with a few strains, and this would let me relax and get some clones of my best mommas going under some shop lights for later on.
This is a temporary set back, in a month or 2 I am sure I will be working and be able to get going on some nice vert bloom rooms and hopefully implementing those high budget aero nozzles I bought a while back.

Thanks you guys I really appreciate the help, I am going to pot up. top. and clone some bitches tonight and see if I cant get a decent door on that shed.
Then we can get some bloomin goin on while I pick your brains and we figure out what my broke ass is going to do with the rest of this 1500 square foot building, out in the middle of no where, lol...Hazed

Oh here is a few pics of some THC Bomb I tried out from seed. This was the grow I had to chop a week early (10 weeks). One pheno was kick ass, the others were not bad, and there was one sativa looking bitch that looked like she would have went to 12 weeks and had the most ridiculous huge colas I ever seen on a 12/12 from seed crop.

 

[Ichabod Crane]

The jacks classic and bloom are all you need. I don't know enough about them to get a good mix. Post on the coco forum and some one i'm sure uses them. Those two are enough to run for a long time.

Maybe sell that hood and do a doughnut, but truthfully if you know how to grow flat already start there first, experiment later with vert. Cash in hand is king in your predicament. Put your plants in flower ASAP if you can so you have a backup if need be.

 

[catalyte]

you will be happy with AN...

it has too much of a negative rep on here...

i am interested to see what ya get going

 

[Hazed]

Hello Ichabod Crane,
I hadn't planned on sticking with coco any longer than the hot weather lasts, unless of coarse I never find a job.
The Jacks classic I have works great for soil or soil and coco with at least 60% being soil. I remember reading about some Jacks that is for Hydro/coco, and has calcium too.
With the AN I hopefully wont have to worry so much about nutrient deficiencies, lockout, etc... Im going to be busy as heck getting my certifications and getting my ass back to work.

When I started growing everyone used verticle bare bulbs, reflectors were big round flat and built out of polished sheet aluminum to catch the passive light and direct it back sideways at the colas, indoor growers around here were basically just cropping the top 12-16 inches of the plants.

In the mid 1980's had to put up with kids telling me how much more efficient it was bouncing half the light off a reflector, and through a thick piece of glass at the plant, lmao.

Until I can afford to build a couple rooms and a lung room I might need those air cooled hoods, I am actually going to need them tomorrow, lol, cause I agree that I should start with a flat grow with the mess I got going on, and I dont have the cash to be building anything to extravagant. Also will have 6 plants in 5 gallon buckets sitting around my 600w mh bare bulb, the little ones will be under my shop lights, and the rest will be under those two air cooled hoods, god willin, lmao.

Hi Mr.CleanCut,
Thanks for stopping in! Definitely going to use the AN, its paid for and judging by the ingredients, it also contains fertilizer,lol. theres always folks who think just because they own a ______ its the best and all others suck.
I like to research ahead as much as possible and was trying out different nutes to get an idea which one might work better for an aero system (30-50 micron droplets), Its between House and garden and AN.

I did get a little work done this evening. Just have to figure where the holes are going for my air ducts and passive intake , screw the sheet of osb on, walk around with a caulking gun. I should have lights up and bitches in place tomorrow! Good night guys and thanks again...Hazed

 

[catalyte]

nice work.

i like these challenging grows where ya gotta do the best ya can with whats at hand! Way more of a test of a true grower than having everything ya need...

 

[catalyte]

*double post...

 

[Hazed]

nice work.

i like these challenging grows where ya gotta do the best ya can with whats at hand! Way more of a test of a true grower than having everything ya need...

Thank you for the kind words, I hope I pass this test.
I did quite a bit of outdoor as a kid and partnered up with a friend for a few indoor grows.
I probably tripled my knowledge the first week of reading these forums.

BTW, hey bobblehead thanks for the props on the healthy plants, but the props should go to the huge hive of wasps I have been nurturing, lol. Them wasps are zipping around eating gnats and just about anything else bite size 24/7. Besides, I was smart and dragged the dead ladies out of the picture a while back, lol.

I realized today, I have room for a weed doughnut too.
Thinking about putting up a 4x8 screen and tying them lanky plants to it while they set roots in there new pots.

Problem I am facing now is a 100 amp service with only 2 breakers, a 20amp, and a 15amp which runs the electric door.

Im wondering If I cant just stagger the start-up time by 15 mins on the 2, 1k lights and run them with a 440cfm fan on that 20amp breaker?

Then I would just run the 600w off the 15 amp with the electric door?

I know I need to go to town and get a couple 30A breakers, but just trying to figure out a way to get this rollin tonight, Im going to pull an all nighter if thats what it takes to get this going!

I definately underestimated the work involved today! Got one light up, waitin for the other one to cool off. When I got the passive vent ducts (lower 2 ducts) connected I had John Kay singin in my head the rest of the day,lol.
"Get your motor runnin' Head out on the highway Looking for adventure In whatever comes our way"
Lol, thanks you guys, let me know what ya thinkin!

 

[Ichabod Crane]

You seem to be moving alone pretty fast. Takes me a while to set up rooms sometimes.

 

[gingerale]

Yes, with electronic ballasts you for sure can run two 1Ks on a 20, even on "super lumens" mode. You don't need to stagger them. With conventional ballasts...? Staggering w/ a timer would probably help.

 

[Hazed]

You seem to be moving alone pretty fast. Takes me a while to set up rooms sometimes.

good to see ya! I lied last night (think it was the whiskey) I cant quit using coco at the end of summer, I have a case of blumats I need to put to use, lol.

Might look like I got a lot done, but lookin back, not really man, and hopefully it works ok. When my business was going tits, I paid off and laid off my help and bought every conceivable item I thought I would need for growing in hopes of cushioning our fall.
My shop looks like a hardware store,a really unorganized one, lol.

The first rooms I setup took several days of mostly going to town to get stuff I didn't think about. Now I have my little hardware store and all of the walls and doors and other prebuilt things from the grow rooms I had to tare down at the old place.

I framed for the old door I had, then shoved it in the hole, cut the bottom and top to match the opening screwed down the frame work in position where the door would open and close. That 4' level and framing square in the one pic were not even used other than for a straight edge,lol.

I will only get one air exchange per minute the way I have this setup, not sure if that's gonna do the trick, the old rooms ran the air through about 2.5 times per minute. When ya opened the door the bitches were still dancin!

Yes, with electronic ballasts you for sure can run two 1Ks on a 20, even on "super lumens" mode. You don't need to stagger them. With conventional ballasts...? Staggering w/ a timer would probably help.

Thank you for the info friend, I think I read about this a while back but my memory is not great.
I have one digital and one magnetic 1k ballast, the sticker on both of them says something like "AMPS 6.0 / 9.5 ? I took this to mean, the 9.5 is max and was guessing that was at the strike?

No clue but I sure don't doubt you, and appreciate you helping me!
I guess I should be good with that 600w on the 15 amp too. That circuit is kind of a worry because it operates the electric door, and this shop has no walkin door. If the breaker pops I have to raise and crawl under a 200 lb door somehow,lol.

Well fellas, I had second thoughts about the 7-8' scrog. I don't actually have enough plants that I trust to be tied to a screen that size without a lengthy veg, so am thinking about maybe going with a 4x4' scrog of my most trusted girls, and everything else will be open to experiment with the blumats! Gonna get going on the potting up and get a better idea what I am dealing with.

Thanks guys, Having your input really helps with the drive! Been in a funk for a few months, and starting to feel some positive energy again!

 

[DHF]

Well damn...... Outta nowhere comes the thread you said wouldn`t happen fer awhile.....but.....

For the record.......Hazed has the green thumb from Hell guys , he`s just down in the mouth for the time being , but believe this......

It`s short lived cuz he`s a survivor and what don`t kill him makes him stronger.....

I wish ALL my growbro`s had half the grow knowledge this guy`s got from growin veggies first and foremost for many many yrs...

Everyone here could pick his brain for knowledge....bet on it.....From adversity grows intestinal fortitude , and this cat`s gonna make it....guaranteed.....

Now get ta work you old fart , and make us proud.....Got my bucket ta set on so handle yo bidness....

ANYTHING you need.....pm`s or here is open....Good luck my buddy.....pullin fer yas....

Peace....Freds..........

 

[Ichabod Crane]

Well fellas, I had second thoughts about the 7-8' scrog. I don't actually have enough plants that I trust to be tied to a screen that size without a lengthy veg, so am thinking about maybe going with a 4x4' scrog of my most trusted girls, and everything else will be open to experiment with the blumats! Gonna get going on the potting up and get a better idea what I am dealing with.!

Don't get sidetracked with a long veg. Get something in flower ASAP so you can get cash in hand quicker.