Oregon Cannabis Tax Act Qualifies for the November Ballot

[minds_I]

...no regulations, no fines, just freedom.....

Hello all,

Then you would by definition would be kewl if the your next door neighbor was selling to kids...no regulations right.

Or perhaps you would be kewl with say next door neighbor who has a nice house, a car or two, toys like jetskies, bikes, RV all paid for from cultivation and private sales. Kewl, but did he pay taxes on his income (federal-Oregon state accesses property tax if I recall) while you go to work and at the end of your 40 hour week you receive 70 cents on the dollor you earned? Now I am not saying the guy did not put in effort in cultivating but why should he be exempt from paying taxes?

Now if he were to register then the hugh profit margin would shrink considerably as a result of a pradigm shift.

Now perhaps this kid that scored from your neighbor is getting blazed and decides to ...oh say skip school because he's too stoned, because that would be freedom right?

Your idea of legalization is never going to manifest in that framework.

Truely no different then alcohol.

Do you have issues with why state and federal beaverage control agencies exist or how they function?

Now I would care to see more transparency of these agencies and the tax revenues and there specific allocations to various programs.

It is really a moot point for me as do not live in Oregon either. But I am interested how the feds will deal with this.

... I don't want cannabis decriminalized I want it fully legal to do with what I wish when I wish...

Same questions to you Hammerhead?

minds_I

PS. Short sightedness precludes one from seeing the forest from the trees.

 

[yerboyblue]

I swear, WA and OR (west of the cascades of course) should succeed and start the new nation of Cascadia!

Space ghost, can I be VP?

 

[yerboyblue]

I hope it passes but won't be upset if it doesn't. We couldn't even get dispensaries passed 2 years ago.

 

[GetUpStandUp]

There is a major difference between decrim/Legal. That's the only point i'm making. I don't want cannabis decriminalized I want it fully legal to do with what I wish when I wish.. Since i'm not a Oregon resident this wont apply to me. I'm eager to see what happens after it gets voted in...

Man, see this is our problem here, and only this, I frickin agree with total legalization, to do what I want, when I want as well, hell we all do, look at the divison we have here, BUT, and heres the biggest fact, we forgot who we are dealing with here. We put faces, and names on this thing like is a cage fight, with stats and why one thinks this will win, or that, man we really have no clue here in this circle if we all either forgot, or have no clue of the WACO case.

Did we forget that the powers that be, not a Ron Paul, or this guy or that one, but the powers that be Lied to have reason, then invadided a compound of a church, an actual church, not some cult freak outragous sect, the govt used the cult, and child sex angle to do what they did, the govt even killed its own agents to have a reason to kill torcher, and burn the same children, and ppl they claimed to even be there to help. Oh if you have no Idea of this case, but heard of it, I suggest you youtube waco the big lie, or waco new revelations, hell so much video evidence was leaked where you actually see agents, FBI killing americans at will, with Tanks snipers, even sound and light weapons were used in torchering thse ppl.

The tactics used not only on these pll, but their report on what happen then, even to today is the biggest piece of smoking gun evidence an american needs to determin what kind of monsters, I mean very evil ppl we have in govt, I mean not even the ones killing are the bad ones, the ones who work side by side these same evil ppl dont say or do anything out of fear. You know we have waco, we have oklahoma city, world trade, I mean come on ppl we are trying to be logical, and educated, and be correct about the mj issue, but we are dealing with murders, and accomplaces of these crimes, who know very well the truths of mj, and what not.

Do we think they are that dumb, do we think they are going to budge? Think of a gun to your head and ask yourself can you talk your way out of it, even if he just killed women men and children with the same gun? Would asking to legalize, or decriminalize come to mind if indeed we looked at a murder this way? Its just not going to happen. Yes its a f-ed up world, and my man here states the statement of all of us, legal to do what I want when I want, But I frickin hate reality to see how far this is from being done.

Sorry to seem I got off with the waco thing, its just perspective, and one you can actually see, with all the many facts of these horror shows the govt does on us, I cant even look at them without wanting to puke, that goes for even local law enforcement too, On the 27th Obama will sign a treaty at UN, oh it just basically disarms us americans by law, by wiping out our 2nd amendment, maybe this is why innocent ppl had to die again in colorado, this is why they do media spins, this is why they have power this is why I will never look at them other with any respect than just being murders, and child killers, fuck making any deals with them, they need to be outed at the very least, not treat them like humans and beg for mj policies.

 

[yerboyblue]

^ Someone's a debbie downer

 

[Hammerhead]

I gave my Opinion you don't like it to bad..You think you will change my mind it wont happen..I have done all of my research do your own make your own conclusions state your opinion vote how you want..

those are all bad Analogies.. Nobody I know sales anything to the neighbors kids.. You you live in a fantasy world where 5 year olds will stop by to pick up a lb..lol.. Wake up. Now I will move on ... This is not my concern good luck OREGON..

 

[igrowkushbitch]

I personally don't want this tax act passed. I think it will bring to much federal attention to our state.

 

[minds_I]

Hello all,

Yeah, Hammerhead, you stated your opinion you just left a big hole as why you would take a negitive stance only stating something about a ticket. Why would you be getting a ticket let alone ticket after ticket? This is what had me confused about your statement.

I will not try not change your mind as I think the impetus of the proposal is far more broad then your acute non sequitur view, based on your research, will permit.

As to the analogies, those are very basic arguments designed to illuminate the need for regulation. But if you feel that protecting kids (5yo?, come on, you can't be that obtuse) from mj (as we do with alcohol and tobacco) through regulation or profit without taxes (which increases the burden of others that do pay taxes) is not enough freedom , its kewl brother.

Should you wish to contribute anything more substantive, I would open to discustion.

Yeah, IGKB, it would indeed bring much federal attention...but that could be viewed as good thing. Particularly with the industrial aspects in the midst of this bad economy.
I wonder if the DEA would bother with mega-acre operation of industrial hemp-you could smoke a pound and only get a headache-no medicinal or psychotropic effects?

Yeah it will be interesting to see what the feds do.

minds_I

There are none soo blind then those that will not see.

 

[thesloppy]

Just for the record, marijuana posession is already decriminalized in Oregon, and has been since 1973. Posession of less than an ounce is a violation (not a crime, and does not go on your record) punishable by a ticket/fine of $500-1000.

 

[igrowkushbitch]

minds your from cali how is that federal attention helping you guys? I am guessing not good. Federal prosecution is not a joke. I love our medical scene and don't want it to change.

 

[GetUpStandUp]

minds your from cali how is that federal attention helping you guys? I am guessing not good. Federal prosecution is not a joke. I love our medical scene and don't want it to change.

Not trying to be rude, but yes the feds are a big joke, speaking from exp., they do say you face tons of time, but its all wolf tickets, the big courts, the judge on high, 96% of cases are handled thru plea bargins alone, so most ppl are scared to stand up and fight, on my travels thru the feds I met ppl never even seen the inside of a court room, so if your there use it. You can beat your case just on juristiction basis alone, this is why they cant meddle in state affairs they are only allowed to govern certaint things, ARTICAL 1 section 8 clause 17. KNow your rights!

These are things we all should know but we are to busy argueing for to many things. The fact the Feds act like they do is because we choose to not act on our true rights, and we only meddle in the politics they bring, to bad we dont know our rights just like we do growing. All I know is Oregon is cool as hell, very diverse, the city takes care of its ppl, and there is a mutual bond the ppl have out there, and its the fact mj is not a bad thing, so they very much hold the torch to be a trend setter now that cali is scrabbling to stay out of raids.

Just shows how many in cali were in it for some kind of payday, with no one being in total knowledge of the law and the fed juristiction it just needs one case to make trial to validate the law as the fed will never take it that far if they do there is always the appeals courts. Maybe someone knows what I am talking bout out there?

 

[ClosetAdvocate]

I've been following it. Isn't there a legalization proposition/referendum on Colorado's ballot as well?

 

[igrowone]

I've been following it. Isn't there a legalization proposition/referendum on Colorado's ballot as well?

there is, and some polls from a month ago were promising
what happens in the actual election will another story, prop 19 looked promising
but there's another prop in Washington state, a lot of political territory to cover by our Federal friends
what i 'love' is the political process being influenced by unelected bureaucrats
federal dorks, sit down and shut up, you work for us

 

[GetUpStandUp]

Hello all,

Yeah, Hammerhead, you stated your opinion you just left a big hole as why you would take a negitive stance only stating something about a ticket. Why would you be getting a ticket let alone ticket after ticket? This is what had me confused about your statement.

I will not try not change your mind as I think the impetus of the proposal is far more broad then your acute non sequitur view, based on your research, will permit.

As to the analogies, those are very basic arguments designed to illuminate the need for regulation. But if you feel that protecting kids (5yo?, come on, you can't be that obtuse) from mj (as we do with alcohol and tobacco) through regulation or profit without taxes (which increases the burden of others that do pay taxes) is not enough freedom , its kewl brother.

Should you wish to contribute anything more substantive, I would open to discustion.

Yeah, IGKB, it would indeed bring much federal attention...but that could be viewed as good thing. Particularly with the industrial aspects in the midst of this bad economy.
I wonder if the DEA would bother with mega-acre operation of industrial hemp-you could smoke a pound and only get a headache-no medicinal or psychotropic effects?

Yeah it will be interesting to see what the feds do.

minds_I

There are none soo blind then those that will not see.

I think Hammerhead is on the right points. Mainly only because people who use kids for any reason to not do something, really need to re evaluate your true principals on doing just that, as kids are victims without pot, alcohol, or any drug, they are abuse in everyway possible, and it aint slowing down at all so those who claim to protect kids are truly doing a shit job at it, and to bring kids in the issue of pot, well thats just not cool, we all here never sold any pot to children, so why bring up a hyped up theory to make a foundation on?

Yeah all I am saying is if you truly care for children do us and the children a favor, go attack the true enemies of kids, oh yeah its the same fools who stand in the way of pot issues, human right issues, and just bout anything we the poeple want. Geez, this Legal thing is out of hand. The decriminalization issue is a whole different thing, please seperate the two when speaking. The decriminalizing is step number one, and most states have moved to that, let some time go by ppl let the world see how harmless mj is before screaming LEGALIZE, we all here have been living as criminals to this point, now we must chip away at the lies thats plagued this issue since the start.

 

[ClosetAdvocate]

I've heard that the incarceration industry has been coming out hard against the proposition.

 

[huligun]

Anyone that makes a living from keeping it illegal would naturally be against it. Would you want overtime available or the possibility of losing your job, car, house and family? The war on drugs is an enormous food chain.

 

[Maj.Cottonmouth]

Drug cartels, the police unions and the prison industry are all on the same side of this issue.

 

[SneakySneaky]

"Paul Stanford" - there's the deal-killer. He's the absolute WORST person to pretend to represent medical growers.

To use an old Mafia phrase - "he wants another chance to wet his beak"

Paul is a leech, using the med mj patients as his lifeblood. There's an article here about his back door dealings and abuse of his position. Anything he favors I would inspect with a magnifying glass, latex gloves, and a fine tooth comb. He sells fake med cards at the thcf clinic for gods sake. Hell sell u a Cali med card when ur in Oregon and say its valid, and when u call 4 diff sheriffs offices in Cali they all tell u that if ur not a Cali resident w a state id it doesn't protect you. The guys a piece of shit. I had to drive to redding and get a state id just to be able to be valid.

 

[yerboyblue]

Drug cartels, the police unions and the prison industry are all on the same side of this issue.

Don't forget the random conservative religious and parents groups.

 

[yerboyblue]

My friend in the illuminati said this tax act is just an illusion.