The growing large plants, outdoors, thread...

[michaelswines]

Rootwise-

I have been watching your ‘art’ for sometime now, love your work. Just a couple basic questions for you, sorry if the community has asked these questions already. What size are your pots? Do you water (feed) everyday day? During each watering (feed), how many gallons per pot? I ask this because I believe my plants are not consuming enough…they are in 400 gallon raised beds each, and get feed everyday roughly at 7 gallons a day…don’t get me wrong, they are very healthy, standing at just under 7 feet, and about 6 feet wide, but I just assumed my plants would uptake more, I mean, they are only up-taking .0175 percent of there total volume per day.

 

[25ftGreatWhite]

hey ic'ers. got an issue with a loose base on one my plants. approx. 46" tall and as equally wide in a 65 gallon. the base of the plant, where the stalk meets the soil, is loose and leaning and not growing as efficiently (ie smaller leaves, not as big) as the other plants of the same strain. its been an issue since replanting, however wasnt an issue when it was in the smaller pot.

any advice is greatly appreciated.

hope everyone is enjoying the summer.

 

[MummyCat]

hey ic'ers. got an issue with a loose base on one my plants. approx. 46" tall and as equally wide in a 65 gallon. the base of the plant, where the stalk meets the soil, is loose and leaning and not growing as efficiently (ie smaller leaves, not as big) as the other plants of the same strain. its been an issue since replanting, however wasnt an issue when it was in the smaller pot.

any advice is greatly appreciated.

hope everyone is enjoying the summer.

support it

 

[OldRod]

ROOTWISE, you bought me with that GH grow.
Now Im sure to I go with GH next season, also too
old for guerilla.

When you start I was thinking how I would put more plant
in there, but now I see, it fit whole GH.

So, how much space you give per plant ? 6m2 ?

 

[guest8905]

Hey Big Planters..

I was wondering if anyone of you guys n gals could help me find a good ACT recipe for FLOWERING phase?

Ive heard diff things about how certain ingredients can really effect the density and size of your plants and flowers.

So please share with me and the rest of ic all the tried and true flowering tea recipes youve got!

Thanks

 

[HorseMouth]

Good Evening grower family,

All of these plants are Blue Dreams.

Greenhouse Light Dep, Day 22.



Small Raised Bed also Light Dep, Day 46



Compost Tea going great and No bugs, no mold.



Psyched that I'm going to have a July Harvest, first time ever getting such a jump on a small bed. Fast enough to replant it for another run. Weather is amazing this year. Plants are drinking daily.

Peace

 

[OrganicBuds]

Stickky - Look up Microbeman.com. That sight is like my bible, so much super accurate information on that site. All data has been confirmed with microscopes.

When talking ACT and flowering teas, it is important to remember where you are sourcing your compost from. A high quality mushroom compost mixed half and half with EWC can make a killer fungal dominate tea. Another thing to remember is fungal dominate teas take a little longer to brew. So where you normally brew for 18-28 hours for veg brews, you would want to take the brew past 28 hours up to 40 hours.


Here is what Microbman has written at Microbeorganics.com

Edit: This seems to want you to brew for less time than I was saying. With a good fungal compost your brew could be done in 10 hours? I will have to talk to microbman on this one.

B/ Fungal Dominant;

*compost/vermicompost (fungal content) - 2.38% max. (4.5 liters), (19 cups US), (4.5 quarts US)

*unsulphured pure black strap molasses - 0.25% (475 ml rounded), (2 cups US), (0.5 quart US)
NOTE: Also experiment with eliminating black strap molasses. Recent trials have shown that with some types of compost the fungi does better. If you have a microscope check it out for yourself.
NOTE: If you have activated your compost with oat flour I recommend NOT using molasses in addition to fish hydrolysate unless you are willing to brew for a longer period and best to have a microscope.

*fish hydrolysate(high quality) - 0.190% - (360 ml) (12 ounces) Do not use chemically deodorized liquid fish! You may experiment using slightly higher amounts.

*kelp meal - 0.25% max. (.5 liter or 500 ml), (17 ounces US), (0.5 quart US), (2 plus cups)
NOTE: This is a maximum amount of kelp and you can experiment using less. This is using regular grade kelp meal for livestock. If you have soluble kelp, I recommend using smaller amounts. Sometimes kelp meal can initially delay bacterial multiplication.

*rock phosphate granules/powder - 0.063% - (120 ml), (4 ounces), (0.5 cup)
NOTE: We seem to get the same results using 100 ml of rock phosphate but experiment yourself. Sometimes we run the rock phosphate granules through the electric coffee grinder to get a fine powder.

Extras (when using extras you may wish to adjust amounts of other ingredients to avoid overload)

* Humic acid - I am no longer recommending the use of humic acid in compost tea, as I've not seen any benefits from doing so. Better to apply it directly to the soil.

*you could also add one of the Alaska ‘Humus’ products and/or Canadian sphagnum Premier brand at 0.25% or less. If there are fungi spores present in the substance, hyphae should grow.

*you may add a little soil or partially/completely decomposed forest litter (rotted leaves, wood pieces). If you are applying CT to grass or flowers use some local soil from a healthy (unmanipulated by man) area where similar plant species are doing well. If you are applying to deciduous trees or bushes then gather some soil or forest litter from a deciduous forest where the forest appears healthy and has that…you know… fabulous earthy odor. I recommend using 500 ml. (0.5 liter) or 2 cups to begin with and see how that works out. Careful to not use big chunks if using the Microbulator 50.

Length of Brew
Brew until fungal hyphae is observed with a microscope or for 18 to 24 hours. When using our fungal inhabited vermicompost, the optimum time seems to be 18 hours for a bacteria/archaea and fungal brew, however fungal hyphae is extracted at 10 hours with less bacteria/archaea present. If you want a fungal dominant brew this may be the best time to apply. For those of you with microscopes, check it out. This recipe, provided there are fungi spores in your compost, should produce a higher volume of fungal hyphae and reduced bacteria/archaea numbers.

 

[guest8905]

thanks organic buds

 

[mapinguari]

OrganicBuds, I'm guessing that's a recipe for 50 gallons of tea, based on the volume of EWC given, but I don't see the water volume listed.

 

[Veg N Out]

You're right. Those #s are based on the 55 gallon Microbulator.

OrganicBuds - Looks like you need to read your bible a little better..

The reason why Microbeman's recipe makes fungal dominant tea is because its main food sources are protein base...Fish,,,Kelp..he eliminate Molasses till the end of the brew and puts in Rock Phosphate to give the fungi microparticle to attach to in the brew and colonize over... I Would also not recommend cutting Humic acid out...Depending on your starting water ..Humic and Fulvic acids could be the difference between Tea and No Tea....

Stickky - Why do you think there needs to be a Veg tea and Flowering tea? What do you think the difference in the two should be? Why should there be a difference? If you're making Compost Tea shouldn't the Biology in the tea consume the food sources given to it and essentially just be a soup of different bugs ready to go to work on the soil?

Bless

 

[OrganicBuds]

Just like any bible in my life, I could use to re-read on a regular basis. I mean shoot, I am a pot head, lol. Just ask Microbeman, I seem to ask the same dumb questions over and over. (he hates that btw, lol)

I have to disagree with you on your reasoning for fungal tea's and their ingredients. I believe the fungal bio life comes from the compost, not fish, kelp. He does talk about not adding the molasses in fungal teas, but I thought it was because the fungal life from the compost multiplied without the need for molasses.

I think the fish, kelp, rock phosphates are all food for the microbial life that come from the compost it self. I am going to PM Microbeman and let him know we need some help in here. He will set us all strait.

 

[Veg N Out]

You seem to consistently have the wrong ideas about me organic buds. Do a little research and you'll see that's no reasoning just what happens

 

[OrganicBuds]

OrganicBuds, I'm guessing that's a recipe for 50 gallons of tea, based on the volume of EWC given, but I don't see the water volume listed.

Check for the percents next to the numbers. That is bases of volume of water. For example a cut and paste from microbeman's page:

"*fish hydrolysate(high quality) - 0.190% -"

So now lets say you have a 10 gal brewer, just to make our math easier.

So 0.190% of 10gal = amount of total fish hydrolysate per 10 gal of water

The actual math would look like this

.00190 x 10 = .019 of a gallon.

You would want to convert to milliliters, but you get the idea. If not, pm me with what you need converted and I will help you out no problem.

You seem to consistently have the wrong ideas about me organic buds. Do a little research and you'll see that's no reasoning just what happens

I am sorry, I meant nothing personal at all. I really don't know the answer to that. That is why I was going to ask microbeman, not because I thought I was proving you wrong or something. I really don't know, and would love to learn. Bottom line. Sorry to have given you the wrong idea, and I will do a little research and I probably will find that you are right. I have no problem with that.

EDIT: btw, I see the neg rep and maybe you thought it was me. To prove it wasn't here is some positive rep.

 

[Microbeman]

Organicbuds is correct. Just apply the percentages given times the volume of water. This is generally good up to 500 gallons. After this it is a trial and error thing based on design efficacy.

I usually recommend brewing a balanced ACT whether in vegetative or flower/fruit stage. The microorganisms needed by the soil/plant at the time should remain active and others will seek dormancy.

Molasses will feed both bacteria/archaea and fungi but fish hydrolysate is slightly better for fungal foodstock from my observations. Both of them feed both microbe groups.

The reasons one may wish to make a fungal dominant ACT is probably for disease suppression or for research if you believe [like I hypothesize] that there are varieties of dark septate endophytes extracted and grown in ACT if present in [vermi]compost which are a different type of mycorrhizal fungi.

The reason I do not advocate the use of humic acid in ACT is because both CT Guy and myself ran tests together and independently and observed that in a liquid, humic acid fed diddley squat..nada..nothing.

We were motivated to do this test because CT Guy added humic acid to one of my brews and I was startled to see poor results, when I was trying to show off my brewer to him.

This is not the be all and end all. It is just what I recommend and I am open to other microspocists' input.

This does not change that humic acid is a valuable soil amaendment.

I never put anything in at the end nor partway through the brew...ever..well except recently a tiny bit of oil to control foam.

 

[guest8905]

ty for the helpful post Microbeman

 

[Veg N Out]

Mid July at the Big Farm

Mid July at the Big Farm

So we've crossed in to Mid July , the weather has been phenomenal except for the past couple days where we missed the Sun - Still saw Above 80 degree temperatures, just missing the powerful UV index...It's coming back though...All things are working as I hoped. Soon we'll be in to the home stretch....My DOGs outgrew the cages I had for them in the 4 days it took me to deal with getting my indoor run cleaned. 3 more 200' rolls of Concrete ReMesh later...They're caged...

101 North

Poolside, with SFV x Chemdog D

DOG

Humboldt Snow

 

[warthog]

wow veg looking very nice! some fat stalks for sure! which only means one thing.... BIG BUDS!

 

[ClearBarbedFunk]

BlackToothGrin from seed off a special gal

 

[mack 10]

So sick...Veg n Out, Massive ladies! they look so happy,Great work. @ CBF, yum yum! Keep the pic's coming, Mack.

 

[Veg N Out]

Damn bro..>Still thinking about what a run of that BTG would be like...