Is a self pollinated feminized plants offspring of an f1 hybrid an f1 or f2?

[jakeh]

I'm thinking about buying some serious seeds chronic or bubblegum. From what i've read chronic is an f1 and bubble gum is an ibl. I want to make my own feminized seed and have not found much specific information on self pollinated f1 hybrids as to how consistent the offspring are to the parent. If it is a better idea to go with a non f1 hybrid like bubblegum i would prefer to buy it over chronic. Anyone got any suggestions based on experience.
thanks,
jake

 

[Baba Ku]

Inbred lines will have the least diversity.
An F1 hybrid tends to show lots of diversity in the F2 generation. The breadth of the diversity is dependent on what the P1 parents of the hybrid were. If you crossed two IBL cultigens together, you could expect a slight bit of diversity in the F1. But incross sibling F1's and the F2 generation will more than likely show two main phenotypes, with some variants.

Now if you use P1 parents that are not IBL's, but are themselves hybrids or multihybrids, then there will be more diversity in the F1 generation, and a massive amount of diversity in the F2. You could expect to easily see 4 or more main phenotypes, with variants.

To answer your original question, it all depends on what the parents were as to what filial generation the progeny should be labeled. If your parent plant is an F1, then what you basically have when it pollinates itself is an incross of the F1 and would be considered F2.
An F2 with the high probability of passing on the intersex gene to it's progeny, unless the parent was tested to be true breeding for no-hermie, and was forced to produce pollen.

 

[Andyo]

phenotypical expression

phenotypical expression

Ive seen an F1 express its original father traits on the male branch flowers and the plant they were forced on using STS was a fem that resembled the mother.
Even leaf shape was different resembling the original father .
The seed from this plant behaved as f2 in my opinion.
Some clues there as whats going on.A

 

[jakeh]

Thanks for your responses Baba ku and Andyo. Definitely clears things up.

 

[zenoonez]

It would be a S1 and it should produce more progeny that express its characteristics than just a random pollination but it wont be true breeding for anything that its parents weren't true breeding for.

 

[shawkmon]

selfed = s1 , just get seeds that grows weed ya like, make seeds then have lots of different puffs around,having identical plants is overrated, i like variety, only thing worse than puffing the same weed all the time is not puffing at all.

 

[Mr. Fantastic]

Chronic is an F6 and I would not waste your time unless the only goal in mind is yield, even then.......

 

[moresntoil]

I know very little about breeding, however once I did pollinate a chronic female with a chronic male, and they did not grow as well as the original seeds from serious. good smoke but the yield was not as good.

 

[bajangreen]

Quick question, if i sefled a F1 (indica/sativa) would the offspring be "clone like" or would it show the same diversity as a f1/f1 cross of different plants?

 

[Jaymer]

you'd want an ibl

Ibble x ibble=outrageous incestuous inbreeding

 

[bajangreen]

i am sorry jaymer, i dont fully understand what you are you saying. correct me if i am wrong.

If it was an ibl and i selfed it all the seed would grow similar? i assume that is what you meant.
What i wanted to know is if i crossed a sat & indi and grew that seed(f1) then selfed the plant would that be counted as a F1 or F2? Or would the results be any different than if i crossed two different plants out of the same(F1) batch.

Besides the fact that the seeds from the selfed would be all female.

 

[bajangreen]

just reread the tread and saw baba answerd the question already. lol i think i understand now.

 

[CalcioErba2004]

i am sorry jaymer, i dont fully understand what you are you saying. correct me if i am wrong.

If it was an ibl and i selfed it all the seed would grow similar? i assume that is what you meant.
What i wanted to know is if i crossed a sat & indi and grew that seed(f1) then selfed the plant would that be counted as a F1 or F2? Or would the results be any different than if i crossed two different plants out of the same(F1) batch.

Besides the fact that the seeds from the selfed would be all female.

if you self pollinate any plant, doesn't matter if its f1,f2,f3,f4,f5, whatever, the resulting seeds of the self pollination are considered S1 for the first generation self pollination. If you grew those out and self pollinated again those resulting seeds would be the S2 generation.

Self Pollination retains a lot of the traits of the mother plant but it is not an exact copy and therefore cannot be considered clone quality.

You will get plants that possibly look like mom and smell like mom but to find and exact copy in seed is not as easy as it seems. I personally have grown out a few S1s and there seems to be always something missing(trichome coverage, smell, buzz, etc). This is just my personal experience...where is Chimera or Tom when you need em lol.

 

[idiit]

reversed is different than selfed.

reversed is when you take a plant and get part of it to reverse sex ( reverse female with colloidal silver to produce pollen one example).

selfed is usually when you take a clone off a special plant and then reverse the clone back into the clone's special plant source ( clone mom ); backcrossing the plant back into itself genetically.

i've selfed plants with heterogenous genetics and gotten phenotype variation in the progeny. selfed seed plants often end up suffering issues like lack of vigor not present in the mom you just selfed

selfed is usually a last resort to keep special genetics ( especially highly recessive traits) in seed form in case you lose the clone mom.

so per your question; yes you can reverse one female and cross the induced pollen into another female just like you would use natural male pollen. many do. some don't like the concept. open debate ongoing.

where is Chimera or Tom when you need em lol

exactly .

^ that's my grasp of the subject.

 

[bajangreen]

reversed is different than selfed.

reversed is when you take a plant and get part of it to reverse sex ( reverse female with colloidal silver to produce pollen one example).

selfed is usually when you take a clone off a special plant and then reverse the clone back into the clone's special plant source ( clone mom ); backcrossing the plant back into itself genetically.

B, selfed and reversed are both processes that are using only one plant's genes so the two process must be identical. genetically at least.

i currently have a reveged mum that i want to self. i think reveg is a good stress test if a plant can reveg i usually think it would not hermi on me. what type of test you put on your plants before you reverse them.