Scientist Types, help me get shard

[pip313]

distilling thc

distilling thc

I do it slow, no bumping, no bubbles honestly it just vaporizes the problem is condenser temp, im gonna try again at room temp. the ethanol and hexane had minimal boiling.

Screw asking for specific pages, can you zip the whole thing and post a link to that.

I doubt it but do you have anything referring to adding the co2 group back to the thc? It would have use making the resin more easily handled and smoking will remove it anyway and the release of co2 would make the molecule more stable to short bursts of heat (co2 removal instead of thc degradation)

 

[G.O. Joe]

ethanol and hexane had minimal boiling.

You didn't distill them with your 25 micron pump. Not without dry ice.

can you zip the whole thing

I doubt it but do you have anything referring to adding the co2 group back to the thc?

No. Instead, stronger vacuum than yours:



http://dx.doi.org/10.1021/ja01865a080
CBD and CBN were isolated from this hemp extract distillate, 1940.


http://dx.doi.org/10.1021/ja01253a008
Mixture from Indian charas extract, 1942.

 

[pip313]

Enough with the negative

Enough with the negative

At first I apreciated your posts but they are all negative if you read mine you would know I never claimed to distill ethanol or hexane under vacuum I clearly state I use the vacuum to purge those. Take your glassware and show me a better way to arrange mine that would result in better seperation as my you say I can with everything in my pic so show me how you can with no fractionating column and one leibig condenser.

Are you jealous I have glassware, or knowledge because instead of helping you say negative crap. I can't have 25 micron vacuum according to you yet you claim to post references to others having higher vacuum so why can they but not me? (I did not read the references) I bought my pump after others posted on how it will achieve a measurable 26 micron so keep telling me how it won't. Sciencemadness.org that's all I gotta say about that.

Why do you quote me asking for your info when you said you would share and NOT post the info?

I freely admited that the thc distillation might have been done with an oil bath as I did it a while ago so the temp might have been over 150c I don't remember but if it is over 150 then using water as the condenser fluid prob won't work.

 

[G.O. Joe]

I never claimed to distill ethanol or hexane under vacuum

Perhaps you edited your post slightly while I was responding? IIRC it implied that your distillation of hexane and ethanol was relevant to the problems of vacuum distillation that I was talking about. It isn't.

show me a better way to arrange mine that would result in better seperation as my you say I can with everything in my pic so show me how you can with no fractionating column and one leibig condenser.

The glassware part of it, the condenser (loosely packed with steel wool) is on the boiling flask, the 3 way on top of that, the vacuum adapter on the side arm, going to the receiver. This assumes (not a given at all) the necessary vacuum can be reached with so many joints (vacuum greased), on top of the vapor pressure of uncondensed vapor. The thermometer would have to be lost, and presumably a condenser for the pump gets in there.

Are you jealous I have glassware

You don't want to get into a glassware, etc. dick-sizing with me.

instead of helping you say negative crap.

Like? Facts? Practical experience?

others posted on how it will achieve a measurable 26 micron so keep telling me how it won't. Sciencemadness.org that's all I gotta say about that.

I know the site well. What people posted there may or may not be relevant or true, not knowing what they said. I'm perfectly sure a new 25 micron HVAC pump can indeed evacuate a completely sealed HVAC system to the federally required 25 microns, after every bit of everything in there has already been removed. This is not the same as distillation.

I can't have 25 micron vacuum according to you yet you claim to post references to others having higher vacuum so why can they but not me?

Because you aren't Roger Adams, and so on? Your apparatus does not assure you of max vacuum in practice. You're telling us you're getting 25 micron vacuum with zero evidence that this is so, or anywhere near so. All who've ever practiced chemistry are familiar with reality intruding.

Why do you quote me asking for your info when you said you would share and NOT post the info?

Obviously "name the journal and page" does not equal "Screw asking for specific pages, can you zip the whole thing". You either presume that I have all such articles conveniently in one folder, or am willing to spend even more of my life on this.

I've been nicer than you know. Maybe if I put a bunch of smilies and all in my posts it would be OK?

 

[pip313]

Your reply took longer than zipping a bunch of text files and uploading isn't that much longer so how is that wasting your life on this but replying isn't? I don't wish to get into dick sizing with glassware, I clearly stated to enlighten me on what I'm doing wrong with the glass I have and you reply with info including glass I never told you I had. (more than one condenser)

Hey everyone guess what, your name makes a difference on what you can do and I'm not Rodger Adams so I can't achieve high vacuum. I distill at 1 drop per 10-15 seconds when I fractionate its only a matter of increasing temp slowly as you know. 25 micron will be achieved eventually if vaporization isn't happening.

You have no clue whether I have a vacuum pump capable of 25 micron at 10cfm or at 1cfm

I don't want to ruin the thread over you I'm done respnding to anything negative If you don't have anything to say about purification or solidification then don't waste either of our time.

 

[G.O. Joe]

I humbly suggest to everyone vacuum distilling used motor oil or something before THC.

 

[Trichgnomes]

no matter how hard or liquid my oils turn out, if you put them in a container and leave it open to the atmosphere, they always get harder with time. Something is leaving them, not something getting in there, except for oxygen perhaps. Purge purge purge and Ive never had oil, from tons of batches and many different strains, that wouldn't eventually get rock hard.

I feel this has more to do with temperature fluctuations then it does with something leaving the oil.

Hell, even my reclaim gets shattery when my house is cold enough.

 

[G.O. Joe]

No one asked, but anyways the right part for the job (simple distillation, not shard) is a Kugelrohr. The older big Aldrich units are awesome. All your precious terpenes will be saved, little less volatile than the cannabinoids will come over. The color should be pleasing.

 

[pip313]

My oil in the freezer isn't solid, just a thick grease.

Thanks for the equipment advice for saving terpenes but I think the consensus is purification leads to oil not shard so maybe my whole extraction process needs to be rethought.

 

[Garhart]

Hillbilly Engineering- A Homebuilt Kugelrohr

http://gaussling.wordpress.com/2009/07/17/hillbilly-engineering-a-homebuilt-kugelrohr/

 

[Waxmasta Flex]

@ WHOEVER SAID OILS ALWAYS HARDENS....
IVE HAD PLENTY NOT HARDEN..
IE FOUND IT ALSO DEPENDS ON WHAT U KEEP IT IN...;SOME STUFFWHEN
IN A BIG GLOB WILL STAY THE CONSISTANcY OF room temp margarine.....
it just stays that way...
also strain dependent AND how much you heat it or decarb it..

from whAT I THOUGHT i understood was if it is hard and brittle less thca has been converted, therefore NOT as strong....
so shard actually=not good (if less strong is not good of course...lol which id assume it was..

anyone else here? or am i way off?

 

[Gray Wolf]

Decarboxylation doesn't make it stronger, just more orally active. The decarboxylic acid form usually has more head effect when vaporized, because the decarboxylation process also converts some THC to CBN.

 

[midwestHIGHS]

waxmasta- Having more thc in its acid form does not make it less potent when vaporizing, the THCa will be converted as soon as it hits hot ti. Oils extracted from fresh material and kept at lowest tempurates possible while under vacuum will have the most THCa.

 

[hammalamma]

@ WHOEVER SAID OILS ALWAYS HARDENS....
IVE HAD PLENTY NOT HARDEN..
IE FOUND IT ALSO DEPENDS ON WHAT U KEEP IT IN...;SOME STUFFWHEN
IN A BIG GLOB WILL STAY THE CONSISTANcY OF room temp margarine.....
it just stays that way...
also strain dependent AND how much you heat it or decarb it..

from whAT I THOUGHT i understood was if it is hard and brittle less thca has been converted, therefore NOT as strong....
so shard actually=not good (if less strong is not good of course...lol which id assume it was..

anyone else here? or am i way off?

Waaaaaayyyyy off.

 

[Waxmasta Flex]

dude please...i leave more oil behind on my razor blades than u blast in a month ok?

oh g, howd the cup go? wheres that first place prize?

for me more head effect = more strong...
obviously diff cannibinoids do diff things, i like the heady shit, so for ME personally, its stronger, because i feel higher...is that simple enough?

heres a hint jamitupyourassalama...

read gws response
read midwesthighs...

THATS what a forum is for...not to go around spreading douchenozzleocity.....but i guess it wouldnt b the forums without people like urself....so WELCOME

im a man, i can admit i dont know everything and sometimes im wrong...
i learn a shitton from gw....
you on the other hand look like a moron when ALL you do is talk out the side of your neck...

if nothing else, in MY opinion<<<<<<
sap is much easier to handle than something that shatters....
my sap is stable so i can handle it if needed....
you waanna break apart lil pieces n have the shit chippin n flyin all over, HANDLE IT NINJA-

 

[midwestHIGHS]

As gw previously stated, the higher the THCa content the more heady the oil will be when vaporized.

 

[Infinitesimal]

Decarboxylation doesn't make it stronger, just more orally active. The decarboxylic acid form usually has more head effect when vaporized, because the decarboxylation process also converts some THC to CBN.

what does the added CBN from fully Decarbing typically do to the effects when consumed orally?

 

[Gray Wolf]

what does the added CBN from fully Decarbing typically do to the effects when consumed orally?

It has a sedative effect.

 

[Waxmasta Flex]

It has a sedative effect.

sounds good to me!

 

[weadbelly]

On the subject of dry distillation, I have found that a microwave is a fun way to do on the fly extractions of flowers, then a friend pointed that I could use a tunable microwave for greater efficiency and/or selectivity