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growbig789
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When the grasshoppers are as bad as you describe, they are VERY difficult to control, especially if they are resident in the area and not just a group passing through. If they are resident and are going to be around in those numbers for quite a while... good luck.
I've had experience trying to fight grasshoppers on a couple small outdoor grows for 2 seasons... and lost both times.
I have seen the kind of grasshopper damage you are talking about, if they are going to be around all summer the only real option to stop the damage is to screen in your plants (aluminum screen that they can't chew through). But that is very labor intensive and way expensive, and probably not practical.
Sevin is really the only other option when they are that bad, it will kill them. Nothing else will stop them and they will chow down and kill the plants so fast like you have described. If the plants aren't flowering yet, you may need to spray them to save them... if they aren't gone already.
A better option when you can get things under control is to make Sevin Bait that you can spread on the ground around the perimeter and throughout your garden. You mix the concentrate sevin with bran cereal flakes, coating it evenly, then spread it throughout the garden. Then nothing goes on the plants. The granules watered into the ground won't work...at least in my experience. They will eat the bait though... and die.
In the 32oz concentrate Sevin, there is 1/2 lb of carbaryl per container. you want 2% carbaryl weight per 1 lb of bran flakes (you could use oatmeal too). So a 32oz concentrate bottle of Sevin would make 25lbs of bait. basically, 1.28 oz of sevin concentrate per 1 lb of flakes. You could make it as strong as 10%, which would be 6.4 oz sevin concentrate per 1 lb of flakes, but the 2% killed them in my experience. Hope you are able to save your plants, and that its a short lived infestation
I've had experience trying to fight grasshoppers on a couple small outdoor grows for 2 seasons... and lost both times.
I have seen the kind of grasshopper damage you are talking about, if they are going to be around all summer the only real option to stop the damage is to screen in your plants (aluminum screen that they can't chew through). But that is very labor intensive and way expensive, and probably not practical.
Sevin is really the only other option when they are that bad, it will kill them. Nothing else will stop them and they will chow down and kill the plants so fast like you have described. If the plants aren't flowering yet, you may need to spray them to save them... if they aren't gone already.
A better option when you can get things under control is to make Sevin Bait that you can spread on the ground around the perimeter and throughout your garden. You mix the concentrate sevin with bran cereal flakes, coating it evenly, then spread it throughout the garden. Then nothing goes on the plants. The granules watered into the ground won't work...at least in my experience. They will eat the bait though... and die.
In the 32oz concentrate Sevin, there is 1/2 lb of carbaryl per container. you want 2% carbaryl weight per 1 lb of bran flakes (you could use oatmeal too). So a 32oz concentrate bottle of Sevin would make 25lbs of bait. basically, 1.28 oz of sevin concentrate per 1 lb of flakes. You could make it as strong as 10%, which would be 6.4 oz sevin concentrate per 1 lb of flakes, but the 2% killed them in my experience. Hope you are able to save your plants, and that its a short lived infestation
warthog
Member
looking really nice over there clearbarbed!
as for the hoppers.. i never got em that bad when i was growing out east but i used to control any pest problems with a simple foliar solution.. if you havent tried this than it might be worth it.. just boil up some dish soap, garlic, and crushed red pepper flakes, than dilute it. when bugs sniff out that pungent and spicey aromas they never stick around.. at least in my experience.. and mind you that was out east so im sure the scale of hoppers out here is far worse.. my biggest issue was always slugs but they arent "bugs" so that solution has no effect on those slimy bastards.. good luck with the issue!
as for the hoppers.. i never got em that bad when i was growing out east but i used to control any pest problems with a simple foliar solution.. if you havent tried this than it might be worth it.. just boil up some dish soap, garlic, and crushed red pepper flakes, than dilute it. when bugs sniff out that pungent and spicey aromas they never stick around.. at least in my experience.. and mind you that was out east so im sure the scale of hoppers out here is far worse.. my biggest issue was always slugs but they arent "bugs" so that solution has no effect on those slimy bastards.. good luck with the issue!
fleabay.
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Veg N Out
This is the best reply to the Grasshopper problem so far.
I ain't ever used Sevin before, but I do use the Shit out of NOLO Bait..Can't really say it's biblical over here....
Thank you ALL for your responses, big appreciations and blessings for them. I'm going to throw up pics of the garden, or what's left of it and go into greater detail tomorrow when I go into town and use the internet about our plan of attack and methodology for irradicating the infestation incase others face this problem.....and I know in butte county I'm not the only one dealing with this, as the infestation is unprecedented.
@brain I have a 20-50ft barrier from all grass or prairie fields around the garden but the particular species of grasshopper out here fly.....we've seen them go as high as 6' and as far as 20-30' in distance. Some real headache inducers.
After stopping by Helena Chemical and the AG Mart in Chico we have a clear line of attack both organic and nuclear to deal with this. On a side note, the AG Mart carries Pure Protein, CA25, and a bevy of other goodies. It's a great shop if you're looking for the hard to find but call first as the special items go fast.
Back to work for me, hope everyone's gardens are thriving.
@brain I have a 20-50ft barrier from all grass or prairie fields around the garden but the particular species of grasshopper out here fly.....we've seen them go as high as 6' and as far as 20-30' in distance. Some real headache inducers.
After stopping by Helena Chemical and the AG Mart in Chico we have a clear line of attack both organic and nuclear to deal with this. On a side note, the AG Mart carries Pure Protein, CA25, and a bevy of other goodies. It's a great shop if you're looking for the hard to find but call first as the special items go fast.
Back to work for me, hope everyone's gardens are thriving.
WTF so after dealing with caterpillers, deers, gophers, bears...NOW FUCKIN GRASSHOPPERS!!
shit man...i saw a little leaf damage on a leaf looked like something was eating it...guess i gotta give the fieldhands a heads up..
keep the grass real short and get some of that sevin..
somoz thanks for heads up on AG store gonna go check it out..
shit man...i saw a little leaf damage on a leaf looked like something was eating it...guess i gotta give the fieldhands a heads up..
keep the grass real short and get some of that sevin..
somoz thanks for heads up on AG store gonna go check it out..
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Guest 88950
Somoz
i found this info from NDSU........Grasshopper Biology and Managment
http://www.ag.ndsu.edu/pubs/plantsci/pests/e272-1.htm#Natural
hth
i found this info from NDSU........Grasshopper Biology and Managment
http://www.ag.ndsu.edu/pubs/plantsci/pests/e272-1.htm#Natural
hth
almostoverit
Member
Hey all, yes Ebay has PureProteinDry, also PureProteinDry.com will be taking orders by the weekend.
My buddy is the sales rep, he is a good guy and is wating for his account to open up.
The owner of OrganicAgProducts is a fucking idiot, but J has good grow knowledge and has put PPD through the ringer for quite some time and can give good info.
he is reached at jeff@pureproteindry.com
his phone number is the 805 number on the canisters being sent out.
you can also reach justin@pureproteindry.com he handles the norcal sales for OAP.
also Susan with Green Mountain Harvest helps OAP out.
My buddy is the sales rep, he is a good guy and is wating for his account to open up.
The owner of OrganicAgProducts is a fucking idiot, but J has good grow knowledge and has put PPD through the ringer for quite some time and can give good info.
he is reached at jeff@pureproteindry.com
his phone number is the 805 number on the canisters being sent out.
you can also reach justin@pureproteindry.com he handles the norcal sales for OAP.
also Susan with Green Mountain Harvest helps OAP out.
Puna Plants
Puna Plants
Here are my first big plant in a really long time. This is my second summer with my license and this is great. It has been raining for the last 3 weeks and the vegging plants love it and I don't have to water lol The bush is a March start and the other is April. Bush is 5 1/2 ft and the young one is 7 ft and growing strong. They are a Colombian x Chem Dawg. First time I did those cage things and the boxes are about 140 gal filled with volcanic cinder soil. Aloha
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Puna Plants
Here are my first big plant in a really long time. This is my second summer with my license and this is great. It has been raining for the last 3 weeks and the vegging plants love it and I don't have to water lol The bush is a March start and the other is April. Bush is 5 1/2 ft and the young one is 7 ft and growing strong. They are a Colombian x Chem Dawg. First time I did those cage things and the boxes are about 140 gal filled with volcanic cinder soil. Aloha
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GoldCountryGuy
Member
You all want pure protein, but 99 percent of you dont have half of the other things in check...wise up.
Think.......
Think.......
Sevin and any other toxic fungicide, insecticides, Agent Orange defoliants, etc../...these products do not need to ever be associated with the Sacred Herb.
Your lesson within the experience you've had is to find a successful way that meets the highest levels of desire and imagination while simultaneously getting you what you want. You may think what you want is a crazy big harvest that will bankroll your next year, however what if the reason you're experiencing this difficulty is to teach you something more valuable? If you could accomplish your outcome in any way, what would you choose? Toxic chemicals? No way. That's something my dad would have done without thinking of the Earth consequences. What's up with your quick jump to the harsh shit? Brainwashed? Have you forgotten your manners with the same earth that so perfectly created this brilliant herb in the first place?
Like the food we eat, no chemicals are necessary. Read about Findhorn in Scotland first. Visit an organic farm. Inform yourself so that you don't act like my father's generation, letting go of the rich organic world of their grandparents and signing up mindlessly for Big Agros chemical promises.
Those promises were hollow.....
Think.......
Sevin and any other toxic fungicide, insecticides, Agent Orange defoliants, etc../...these products do not need to ever be associated with the Sacred Herb.
Your lesson within the experience you've had is to find a successful way that meets the highest levels of desire and imagination while simultaneously getting you what you want. You may think what you want is a crazy big harvest that will bankroll your next year, however what if the reason you're experiencing this difficulty is to teach you something more valuable? If you could accomplish your outcome in any way, what would you choose? Toxic chemicals? No way. That's something my dad would have done without thinking of the Earth consequences. What's up with your quick jump to the harsh shit? Brainwashed? Have you forgotten your manners with the same earth that so perfectly created this brilliant herb in the first place?
Like the food we eat, no chemicals are necessary. Read about Findhorn in Scotland first. Visit an organic farm. Inform yourself so that you don't act like my father's generation, letting go of the rich organic world of their grandparents and signing up mindlessly for Big Agros chemical promises.
Those promises were hollow.....
igrowkushbitch
Active member
I have a pretty bad grasshopper infestation every year. I just moved my chicken coop right in between my greenhouses. The chickens do a pretty good job of getting rid of a lot of them.
warthog
Member
another great solution!
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guest8905
Ok, I'm actually getting some service on the hill tonight so I want to address some thangs. In NO way shape or form are any chemical insecticides going on or near my plants and garden. I have 170 cubic yards of pure organic bliss from the worm farm sitting empty in my 400' x 100' garden area due to some biblical locust anomaly and I'm a little stressed out about it, so I'm exploring all avenues to correct the situation because it needs correcting.
@supersilverhaze thank you for that link, it was a good read and brings up the issue why this infestation is here in the first place. Norcals rain season was pretty much nonexistent this year, so the natural predators that eat the hoppers eggs didn't thrive, which in turn led to the majority of all the eggs surviving. In a typical year every two out of seven eggs live, supposedly and I don't doubt it every 6 out of seven lived this year because the natural predators during the rain season didn't get the mojo they needed........and now here we are.
Also, I didn't close on my 25 acre parcel till the latter end of May so between fencing, gates, wells, tractor work, dump trucks, water trucks, it's been a whirlwind and I didn't anticipate, much like many folks the severity of this grasshopper situation.
Soooo, after that long winded pipe blowing here's what I found out today.....I searched out where the infestation was the worse...basically walking the property and the prairie areas around my garden area and seeing where the hoppers were hopping the most. I have an 80, 40, and 20 acre parcel on my borders and realized it was mainly coming from the 80 acre parcel.
Once I knew this I did a treatment area with Sevin (garden hose style) and a treatment area with Talstar & Merit 2F(backpack sprayer) to see the immediate difference. Talstar WINS, by leaps and bounds and it's a residual insecticide, unlike Sevin (which is some NASTY shit rootwise) Talstar lasts up to three months and being that I'm off the grid walking around a 3000 + feet with a garden hose and having it kink up numerous times is not a smart way to spend ones time. Also, I didn't want to use the concentrated form of Sevin from jump st.
So with all that being said, I hit a 20 foot area of the prairie grass around my garden, hit my deer fence and all tposts.....and all heavily infested areas with the Talstar. 12 backpack sprays later.....I'm seeing very very little hopper activity. STOKED.
Tomorrow I will be applying 200lb of organic Semaspore throughout the infested areas, which is identical to Nolo and then patiently wait for my backup trays of Chem 91's and Strawberry Bigfoots to arrive so I can do what I enjoy most......growing plants and not killing things.
Apologies for cluttering up the feed here but hopefully this info proves useful to someone down the line as it just cost me a dear amount to problem solve.
@supersilverhaze thank you for that link, it was a good read and brings up the issue why this infestation is here in the first place. Norcals rain season was pretty much nonexistent this year, so the natural predators that eat the hoppers eggs didn't thrive, which in turn led to the majority of all the eggs surviving. In a typical year every two out of seven eggs live, supposedly and I don't doubt it every 6 out of seven lived this year because the natural predators during the rain season didn't get the mojo they needed........and now here we are.
Also, I didn't close on my 25 acre parcel till the latter end of May so between fencing, gates, wells, tractor work, dump trucks, water trucks, it's been a whirlwind and I didn't anticipate, much like many folks the severity of this grasshopper situation.
Soooo, after that long winded pipe blowing here's what I found out today.....I searched out where the infestation was the worse...basically walking the property and the prairie areas around my garden area and seeing where the hoppers were hopping the most. I have an 80, 40, and 20 acre parcel on my borders and realized it was mainly coming from the 80 acre parcel.
Once I knew this I did a treatment area with Sevin (garden hose style) and a treatment area with Talstar & Merit 2F(backpack sprayer) to see the immediate difference. Talstar WINS, by leaps and bounds and it's a residual insecticide, unlike Sevin (which is some NASTY shit rootwise) Talstar lasts up to three months and being that I'm off the grid walking around a 3000 + feet with a garden hose and having it kink up numerous times is not a smart way to spend ones time. Also, I didn't want to use the concentrated form of Sevin from jump st.
So with all that being said, I hit a 20 foot area of the prairie grass around my garden, hit my deer fence and all tposts.....and all heavily infested areas with the Talstar. 12 backpack sprays later.....I'm seeing very very little hopper activity. STOKED.
Tomorrow I will be applying 200lb of organic Semaspore throughout the infested areas, which is identical to Nolo and then patiently wait for my backup trays of Chem 91's and Strawberry Bigfoots to arrive so I can do what I enjoy most......growing plants and not killing things.
Apologies for cluttering up the feed here but hopefully this info proves useful to someone down the line as it just cost me a dear amount to problem solve.
G
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