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Alone
Wow man. Great Job so far. I love the openess of some of those spots. Sun all day = monster yields.
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Niceeven's 2012 Guerilla grow
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Lol I just saw that this big tree stems are comming out of your pots, what are they for?
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And there is a big black something standing in the background
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And there is a big black something standing in the background
niceeven
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The stakes are there to prevent the pots from tipping over guys. Just an idea I stole from a gent on another forum. The pot's bottoms have been removed in 'swamp tubes" fashion. So I pound a stake in deep enough and I hope (Yes I hope, not I know) that the roots will grow around it and it will help keeping the pot upward, safe from falling over.
I drive to a secluded spot AWAY from my spots ( I am talking something like ten miles, and use my chainsaw to cut like fifty of them at the time. In my area young aspens do the trick, they tend to be straight.
...and the big black something is just another swamp tube, a bigger one, basically a half a bale of sunshine mix where the wrapper is used as a pot. See I have not seen these very small swamp tubes (just horticultural pots with the bottom removed) anywhere and I now think there is a reason for that, more than one actually. For one thing not everyone has a short season like mine (very early September) so most people go for bigger tubes I.E bigger plants. But the main reason would be that they are just not high enough to do the trick. At least that's the feel I get after planting my plants. Feels to me now that it should be taller to allow for more space away from the water. With small pots like that you have just a tiny space and I feel it won't be enough. Anyhow, I have to many plants and too little time for changing on a dime so I went with it but i am having serious second thoughts. Oh well live and learn and if I fucked up on these I do have other stuff I am much more confident with, like some of my beds, I feel they will work great. So, in the end I hope successes and failures will even out. But I can tell you I won't use the pots again, not this year anyhow. I'll make proper swamp tubes for the end of June plant out.
Oh, and one last thing, the central stake is useful for securing the chicken wire (I buy 100' X 5' tall rolls of 2" mesh poultry wire and paint them black on the roll but obviously I found that with a 100' roll only the first 30 or so get painted. It works though, you get some kind of camo effect. But the rest of the roll is not painted and I was just too pressed for time to do it on site. Remains that painting the chicken wire black works. Done properly the wire just disappears. It's a trick I got from a member here who goes by the name of Reibsi, it works! (thanks for that bro).
Once again thanks for dropping by folks I just did not have time for individual answers this morning.
I drive to a secluded spot AWAY from my spots ( I am talking something like ten miles, and use my chainsaw to cut like fifty of them at the time. In my area young aspens do the trick, they tend to be straight.
...and the big black something is just another swamp tube, a bigger one, basically a half a bale of sunshine mix where the wrapper is used as a pot. See I have not seen these very small swamp tubes (just horticultural pots with the bottom removed) anywhere and I now think there is a reason for that, more than one actually. For one thing not everyone has a short season like mine (very early September) so most people go for bigger tubes I.E bigger plants. But the main reason would be that they are just not high enough to do the trick. At least that's the feel I get after planting my plants. Feels to me now that it should be taller to allow for more space away from the water. With small pots like that you have just a tiny space and I feel it won't be enough. Anyhow, I have to many plants and too little time for changing on a dime so I went with it but i am having serious second thoughts. Oh well live and learn and if I fucked up on these I do have other stuff I am much more confident with, like some of my beds, I feel they will work great. So, in the end I hope successes and failures will even out. But I can tell you I won't use the pots again, not this year anyhow. I'll make proper swamp tubes for the end of June plant out.
Oh, and one last thing, the central stake is useful for securing the chicken wire (I buy 100' X 5' tall rolls of 2" mesh poultry wire and paint them black on the roll but obviously I found that with a 100' roll only the first 30 or so get painted. It works though, you get some kind of camo effect. But the rest of the roll is not painted and I was just too pressed for time to do it on site. Remains that painting the chicken wire black works. Done properly the wire just disappears. It's a trick I got from a member here who goes by the name of Reibsi, it works! (thanks for that bro).
Once again thanks for dropping by folks I just did not have time for individual answers this morning.
Minister
Member
We all appreciate watching a hardcore dedicated guerrilla gardener going all in.
For sure.
Fingers crossed, not that much can go wrong, looking from where I sit.
I get that solitary feeling myself once in a while, comming back from the outdoors. But having tried different partnerships I come to realize that's what suits me the best.
We are all quite passionate about our line of work here, and its just great to feel other growers dedication and share ones own. Thanks icmag
What a great show you have been setting up, I can't imagine what dicipline it takes to keep all them strains separated. Especially when come harvest.
Did a lot of strains one year and it just got mixed up.
Ever since I kept one or two keepers.
Whats your plan? Are you exploring genetics, every year or are you going to narrow it down somewhat?
For sure.
Fingers crossed, not that much can go wrong, looking from where I sit.
I get that solitary feeling myself once in a while, comming back from the outdoors. But having tried different partnerships I come to realize that's what suits me the best.
We are all quite passionate about our line of work here, and its just great to feel other growers dedication and share ones own. Thanks icmag
What a great show you have been setting up, I can't imagine what dicipline it takes to keep all them strains separated. Especially when come harvest.
Did a lot of strains one year and it just got mixed up.
Ever since I kept one or two keepers.
Whats your plan? Are you exploring genetics, every year or are you going to narrow it down somewhat?
niceeven
Member
Once again, hello Minister, Phantomx,Alone, lob19,Perolito,abuldur, zielonylasss and Eugen and Minister.
Yeah, I am sure you all know that growing 300 plants from seeds is actually not all that many harvestable plants.
I confess, I have neve grown that many plants, but I have grown just enough to know that once the males will be taken out, that ze moose and ze deers and ze rabbits will have helped themselves the numbers should be down a little. Factor in the bad sites, the odd rip and the early frost or the odd hail and I may be happy to have planted more than less.
As far as breeding goes and all I don't really know what I am doing only that I decided to get , well more rather than less, determined to find something that would work for me.
I felt it was a risk worth taking: over do it in the hope that in the sheer number some clear winners will emerge. My main motivation comes form having been around for some time and for one reason or another never having had the opportunity to go hard with it. So, I felt it would be quite the adventure to take it seriously. Take the time to try a whole bunch of things, both in genetics and methods so that I could settle on something that would work best for me.
@.Clunk: Thanks bro, I know that we don't have the sheer numbers of growers that say BC and Ontario has but I do know that there are actually many more than we think who do it here. For one thing it's a bit of a kept secret around here that one can achieve outdoors results and those who are in the know understandably don't advertise it too much. One is pretty much on their own and there are advantages in that too, in a way.
@ Eugen, yeah and no brother. The sheer number can work in your favour and sometimes can definitely play against us as we all know! There is only so much one can do with so many plants and that means leaving some unprotected. i am not sure but logically it seems it's better to have less and do it well than lose many for a lack of time. Overall, let's just say I tend to be a little compulsive!
@ zielonylasss: Well, I don't expect needing a barn this year but I do am planning on trying what I would call field processing for this year. But I'll touch on that later!
@ abuldur, thanks bro, no, as mentioned earlier they are stakes.
@ Phantomx: You got it right on the nail bro. Taking care of them all will be the real challenge and the proof of how I fare will be, as they say, in the pudding!!!
@ Perolito: Yes bro that was the intent, thanks. But off course in between planning and executing there can be a big difference. in fact, that's when one can rally see the experience showing. In my case you can tell I don't have all that much at that level because of the sheer number of strains. It's nice to have good intentions but it's better if it's doable! Yes I am a bit of a hopeless dreamer but we'll see about results. To make it a short story I planned a lots of open pollination but it suddenly became obvious I would not have the time and be able to provide the man power for so many smaller patches having to be far enough from one another. At the time I decided to make the patches bigger I understood I would have to adapt my plans, I am still adapting.
@lob19 yes bro you got that right, lots of work. But I would dare say, under much better conditions than one could find in Europe. Not to try sucking up but I really think that in more than one way you'd have to have a 1000 plants here to equal the risks of a three hundred plants grow in Europe, a guerilla grow that is. From what I read on the forums what you guys have to survive is ridiculous, yet people come up with fantastic grows. As far as guerilla bro, in my book you guys are the heros!
@ Alone: hi bro, welcome, yes and no about the monster plants. It's the shortness of the season bro, everything can come to a sudden halt in early september. So we'll see! I have attempted to adapt like planting some in purposefully smaller pots, or making sure some of the beds are against a forest and the light becomes minimum after a certain time, but short of covering it's all tentative and we'll see.
@ Minister: welcome bro and thanks for visiting. I tend to be not all that realistic sometimes so for this one I prefer thinking that a lot can actually go wrong! It keeps me on my toes and that's not a bad thing to do! I am solitary by nature so in many ways I am cut out for this thing! But it's still nice to have a community and that why we, or at least I, wound up on forums. I feel it's not easy to find a home in that department, at least for me it's proving a little harder, but it would appear I am going to settle in here and I am grateful for that. Yes thank icmag.
I tried working with a partner last year, I was hoping to do this for a few years now and I kind of set it up with another older guy last year, but I did test him for fairness and he took all of the baits, pretty much costing me nothing as I had been careful not to invest much but pretty much proving me that me instinct should prevail: I should just work alone. It's tempting to have more people to produce more but from where I stand that's when the problems begin. Therefore, alone it will be.
Now, as far as strains being separated I failed miserably on that department. Actually, I did do a pretty good job adapting and things will need to be done, like moving males, but let's just say they are not as separated as I would have liked to. As for genetics with my limitations, (climate) I pretty much shoot on everything that moves. I began my search almost a year ago and until I stumbled on Dane genetics I felt I was getting one good chance every three strains I got, or worse. But even with Dane genetic we will see. As I said I kind of made my life harder on the crosses department by having built bigger patches by necessity but some are isolated. My Early Danes will be in a position to be open pollinated, same with my lebanese, I plan Malana male pollen on Mighty Mite, that's arranged I hope. There is more, but that, I hope will emerge later. I am thrilled to have the visit of a scandinavian brother. I am becoming aware of the great work that's been done over in scandinavia, most notably in the early genetics department and the use of sativa genetics for that purpose is fascinating. To be perfectly honest with you bro thus far it's been a little difficult to forge friendships with my scandinavian brothers but I certainly hope that in time things will change. For that reason , and others,I am very happy to see you here!
Once again thanks to everyone for dropping by !
Yeah, I am sure you all know that growing 300 plants from seeds is actually not all that many harvestable plants.
I confess, I have neve grown that many plants, but I have grown just enough to know that once the males will be taken out, that ze moose and ze deers and ze rabbits will have helped themselves the numbers should be down a little. Factor in the bad sites, the odd rip and the early frost or the odd hail and I may be happy to have planted more than less.
As far as breeding goes and all I don't really know what I am doing only that I decided to get , well more rather than less, determined to find something that would work for me.
I felt it was a risk worth taking: over do it in the hope that in the sheer number some clear winners will emerge. My main motivation comes form having been around for some time and for one reason or another never having had the opportunity to go hard with it. So, I felt it would be quite the adventure to take it seriously. Take the time to try a whole bunch of things, both in genetics and methods so that I could settle on something that would work best for me.
@.Clunk: Thanks bro, I know that we don't have the sheer numbers of growers that say BC and Ontario has but I do know that there are actually many more than we think who do it here. For one thing it's a bit of a kept secret around here that one can achieve outdoors results and those who are in the know understandably don't advertise it too much. One is pretty much on their own and there are advantages in that too, in a way.
@ Eugen, yeah and no brother. The sheer number can work in your favour and sometimes can definitely play against us as we all know! There is only so much one can do with so many plants and that means leaving some unprotected. i am not sure but logically it seems it's better to have less and do it well than lose many for a lack of time. Overall, let's just say I tend to be a little compulsive!
@ zielonylasss: Well, I don't expect needing a barn this year but I do am planning on trying what I would call field processing for this year. But I'll touch on that later!
@ abuldur, thanks bro, no, as mentioned earlier they are stakes.
@ Phantomx: You got it right on the nail bro. Taking care of them all will be the real challenge and the proof of how I fare will be, as they say, in the pudding!!!
@ Perolito: Yes bro that was the intent, thanks. But off course in between planning and executing there can be a big difference. in fact, that's when one can rally see the experience showing. In my case you can tell I don't have all that much at that level because of the sheer number of strains. It's nice to have good intentions but it's better if it's doable! Yes I am a bit of a hopeless dreamer but we'll see about results. To make it a short story I planned a lots of open pollination but it suddenly became obvious I would not have the time and be able to provide the man power for so many smaller patches having to be far enough from one another. At the time I decided to make the patches bigger I understood I would have to adapt my plans, I am still adapting.
@lob19 yes bro you got that right, lots of work. But I would dare say, under much better conditions than one could find in Europe. Not to try sucking up but I really think that in more than one way you'd have to have a 1000 plants here to equal the risks of a three hundred plants grow in Europe, a guerilla grow that is. From what I read on the forums what you guys have to survive is ridiculous, yet people come up with fantastic grows. As far as guerilla bro, in my book you guys are the heros!
@ Alone: hi bro, welcome, yes and no about the monster plants. It's the shortness of the season bro, everything can come to a sudden halt in early september. So we'll see! I have attempted to adapt like planting some in purposefully smaller pots, or making sure some of the beds are against a forest and the light becomes minimum after a certain time, but short of covering it's all tentative and we'll see.
@ Minister: welcome bro and thanks for visiting. I tend to be not all that realistic sometimes so for this one I prefer thinking that a lot can actually go wrong! It keeps me on my toes and that's not a bad thing to do! I am solitary by nature so in many ways I am cut out for this thing! But it's still nice to have a community and that why we, or at least I, wound up on forums. I feel it's not easy to find a home in that department, at least for me it's proving a little harder, but it would appear I am going to settle in here and I am grateful for that. Yes thank icmag.
I tried working with a partner last year, I was hoping to do this for a few years now and I kind of set it up with another older guy last year, but I did test him for fairness and he took all of the baits, pretty much costing me nothing as I had been careful not to invest much but pretty much proving me that me instinct should prevail: I should just work alone. It's tempting to have more people to produce more but from where I stand that's when the problems begin. Therefore, alone it will be.
Now, as far as strains being separated I failed miserably on that department. Actually, I did do a pretty good job adapting and things will need to be done, like moving males, but let's just say they are not as separated as I would have liked to. As for genetics with my limitations, (climate) I pretty much shoot on everything that moves. I began my search almost a year ago and until I stumbled on Dane genetics I felt I was getting one good chance every three strains I got, or worse. But even with Dane genetic we will see. As I said I kind of made my life harder on the crosses department by having built bigger patches by necessity but some are isolated. My Early Danes will be in a position to be open pollinated, same with my lebanese, I plan Malana male pollen on Mighty Mite, that's arranged I hope. There is more, but that, I hope will emerge later. I am thrilled to have the visit of a scandinavian brother. I am becoming aware of the great work that's been done over in scandinavia, most notably in the early genetics department and the use of sativa genetics for that purpose is fascinating. To be perfectly honest with you bro thus far it's been a little difficult to forge friendships with my scandinavian brothers but I certainly hope that in time things will change. For that reason , and others,I am very happy to see you here!
Once again thanks to everyone for dropping by !
Hey niceeven, this will be epic and i'm pulling up a seat . I wish I had some spots that looked like that, very nice. I will attempt something like this 1 year, just have to. Thanks for the inspiration. GL with this grow and stay safe. Take care 1
. I wish I had some spots that looked like that, very nice. I will attempt something like this 1 year, just have to. Thanks for the inspiration. GL with this grow and stay safe. Take care 1I for one am surprised that there are growers in your part of the country, after 10+ years of growing on and off in BC I always thought the prairies were not grown but I bet the amount of swamps and open lands are abundant. Here in BC, and especially in my area, things are really busy with growers everwhere, it's very hard to find a good grow-site because there's simply too many other people doing the same thing!
niceeven
Member
Hello again .clunk
Yeah, no I would not compare the situation here to anything that happens in BC, or in Ontario, Québec but I do know that there are more growers here than most suspect. I think that in general people are incredulous about growing here but I do know it's done and I know its done hectares at the time. But it's always going to remain relatively small compared to the other more traditional places. Many still are unaware that it's even possible and I do know that those who do, including me to a degree, do enjoy the lack of publicity. I would also imagine that for those who do, in a big way I mean, it would be counter productive to spread the information. Another thing I have become aware of is that since the outdoor stuff tends to be at a disadvantage compared to indoors stuff some are moving towards transforming much of their harvest into hash. I am not privy to too many details but i do know it's taking place. I guess in some ways it was just a question of time! But in the end its still more or less a well guarded secret.
Yeah, no I would not compare the situation here to anything that happens in BC, or in Ontario, Québec but I do know that there are more growers here than most suspect. I think that in general people are incredulous about growing here but I do know it's done and I know its done hectares at the time. But it's always going to remain relatively small compared to the other more traditional places. Many still are unaware that it's even possible and I do know that those who do, including me to a degree, do enjoy the lack of publicity. I would also imagine that for those who do, in a big way I mean, it would be counter productive to spread the information. Another thing I have become aware of is that since the outdoor stuff tends to be at a disadvantage compared to indoors stuff some are moving towards transforming much of their harvest into hash. I am not privy to too many details but i do know it's taking place. I guess in some ways it was just a question of time! But in the end its still more or less a well guarded secret.
niceeven
Member
Yep bro but fear not, by harvest time it will have shrunk considerably. In fact, it has shrunk some already. But first thing first.
For a first stop this is a good start. Things have moved some in one week.
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That's for three different beds and I was happy with that. Not damages, no apparent attacks . Then this, kind of going from good to better.
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The biddy early's doing great in the 'swamp pot"
For a first stop this is a good start. Things have moved some in one week.
That's for three different beds and I was happy with that. Not damages, no apparent attacks . Then this, kind of going from good to better.
The biddy early's doing great in the 'swamp pot"
niceeven
Member
The Bricklands in a swamp tube, they at least tripled in size in a week.
Nice spot for them.
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Things have stretched somewhat but that's easily fixed. (remove branches)
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But it's definitely working. Whomever has said 'go down to da swamp ' on another forum was kind of a visionary because for some reason my best plants, and I can say that right now, in beds or in tubes but better in tubes: Things are so much better in da swamp.
Because when we get to this then it goes down hill, and fast.
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That's the only completely finished hole on that spot. Whatever dug it (coyote or wolf probably) wanted to get a 'sense' of WTF that was. They trampled my protection a little for the fun of it and in average only damaged about one plant per hole.
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They are going to be fine, they just have not done much yet, clear difference with the beds.
Nice spot for them.
Things have stretched somewhat but that's easily fixed. (remove branches)
But it's definitely working. Whomever has said 'go down to da swamp ' on another forum was kind of a visionary because for some reason my best plants, and I can say that right now, in beds or in tubes but better in tubes: Things are so much better in da swamp.
Because when we get to this then it goes down hill, and fast.
That's the only completely finished hole on that spot. Whatever dug it (coyote or wolf probably) wanted to get a 'sense' of WTF that was. They trampled my protection a little for the fun of it and in average only damaged about one plant per hole.
They are going to be fine, they just have not done much yet, clear difference with the beds.
niceeven
Member
Then the horror!
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That one spot got it good. About ten holes at least triple planted and one bed, the bed with 'security and everything'. Not one survivor on about 40 plants. Oh well. I knew that could happen but I never had it hit this hard. Usually there is damage but they don't take everything. Down to nine sites from 10 - I still have a 'spare one'.
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Next to the Iranians auto's, left UNPROTECTED
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They are not great but they are a whole lot better than when I put them in. This was a sorry bunch. In a week. Not bad. They are now 'protected'.
Then the Lebs, they don't look too good. I did an experiment with them and they were planted in beds freshly amended with lime. Obviously they don't like it. It's obvious because of all my beds just the newly amended ones have reacted that way. yellowing leaves at from bottom to top and no growth at all. My guess is they will recover.
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That one spot got it good. About ten holes at least triple planted and one bed, the bed with 'security and everything'. Not one survivor on about 40 plants. Oh well. I knew that could happen but I never had it hit this hard. Usually there is damage but they don't take everything. Down to nine sites from 10 - I still have a 'spare one'.
Next to the Iranians auto's, left UNPROTECTED
They are not great but they are a whole lot better than when I put them in. This was a sorry bunch. In a week. Not bad. They are now 'protected'.
Then the Lebs, they don't look too good. I did an experiment with them and they were planted in beds freshly amended with lime. Obviously they don't like it. It's obvious because of all my beds just the newly amended ones have reacted that way. yellowing leaves at from bottom to top and no growth at all. My guess is they will recover.
niceeven
Member
Then the next swamp. Ooops...
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So, I guess the water level went up. Plants are doing OK still, amazing! SO obviously swamp tube have a HUGE tolerance for water and the point of no return is a blurry line. I mean I shrank them quite a bit compared to what they seem to be meant to be, and that proves that it's doable but when I do so I am going to have to choose the spots better. I am just preparing to move these, my sense is I can save them.
I just won't make it to the last swamp. There was a storm last night and that road is not good at all. But the last spot was a sight for sore eyes!
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So, I guess the water level went up. Plants are doing OK still, amazing! SO obviously swamp tube have a HUGE tolerance for water and the point of no return is a blurry line. I mean I shrank them quite a bit compared to what they seem to be meant to be, and that proves that it's doable but when I do so I am going to have to choose the spots better. I am just preparing to move these, my sense is I can save them.
I just won't make it to the last swamp. There was a storm last night and that road is not good at all. But the last spot was a sight for sore eyes!
hey niceeven,
great outdoor growing going on in your woods!
yeah, when just using a fresh bed without giving the grass and other plants some time to rot/compost, than the soil is too hot for the little ones, i guess.
anyways, i am in for the show. good stuff for sure
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i wish you lots of sun and some rainy nights (but not in autumn... )
great outdoor growing going on in your woods!
yeah, when just using a fresh bed without giving the grass and other plants some time to rot/compost, than the soil is too hot for the little ones, i guess.
anyways, i am in for the show. good stuff for sure
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i wish you lots of sun and some rainy nights (but not in autumn...
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niceeven
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Plants have grown. Some a fair bit others none at all. They are generally healthy, in all three beds.
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One of the two surviving purple Maroc
The 'forest floor' bed. Things are good. Stretching a little maybe but I am not going to be too worry about that until I know we have had a few days of sunshine and warmer temperatures.
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It's a steam bath around here when summer really gets here and the crops are just starting to show up in the fields on the way so it's still early if you factor in the local climate.
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Overall, I think I did all right. Could have been a lot worse. I need sun now. Lots of it.
One of the two surviving purple Maroc
The 'forest floor' bed. Things are good. Stretching a little maybe but I am not going to be too worry about that until I know we have had a few days of sunshine and warmer temperatures.
It's a steam bath around here when summer really gets here and the crops are just starting to show up in the fields on the way so it's still early if you factor in the local climate.
Overall, I think I did all right. Could have been a lot worse. I need sun now. Lots of it.
niceeven
Member
Hey Eugen, once again thanks for showing up bro. yeah the beds I don't really think there was all that much to compost. Not in that exact site. Old cut block and lots of composted organic. But the majority of it was from coniferous origins, so I limed. When I did so at least two weeks in advance and it had been watered, or was already wet, things work like a charm. Or so it would seem. The lime reacting near the roots. Or at least it would look that way. But yes I am mindful of things 'heating' up as well. So true. If you have enough nitrogen around it's a good thing to do because you know it will heat up.
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The first leb bed was small and done to fit in the left over but that one has a lot less clay in it. Very similar soil as the forest floor bed in the last picture of the previous post. Yet something is going on, it's obvious. It's the lime, I am sure.
Thanks for the good words bro, it's much appreciated.
The first leb bed was small and done to fit in the left over but that one has a lot less clay in it. Very similar soil as the forest floor bed in the last picture of the previous post. Yet something is going on, it's obvious. It's the lime, I am sure.
Thanks for the good words bro, it's much appreciated.
wow 10 spots? nice, thats what you call not putting all your eggs in 1 basket. really nice job, one can see you put a lot of time and energy in. lets hope the grow gods favor your gardens this season eh? 
hell ya . thats alot of seeds and labeling LOL good luck this year
