How do you achieve 1gpw??

[Hammerhead]

If yo dont have good scrubbing of the room or are not scrubbing the exhaust. There is a big chance the smell will get through your window or Portable AC unit. Mine is a single hose. I already Knew of this danger when I was setting up my room. So when I bought my scrubbers I got more then what I needed to keep the smells under control.. This to me is one one you dont want to skimp on.. Most of the larger grows I have seen scrub there rooms like this(recycle the air). I read that colling your lights using hoods causes a loss of 3% I forgot where I read that.. Cooling the room is more efficient and no loss..

This has nothing to do with getting 1gpw.

 

[Scrappy-doo]

Can you not keep the room with cab non air-conditioned and door closed with a window cracked half open and a fan blowing across it?

Shit that's what I do now. lol. I couldn't imagine doing that in the summer. Not if I want to keep temps under 100. The air conditioner is not for me it's for my plants. Cooling me down is just a side benefit. My girls are #1 priority and they're gonna be nice and comfy this summer. No if's and's or but's about it.

It's not a problem. I always run AC in the summer and don't ever notice a decrease in yield. But if this 2 air exchange thing is not going to help with the AC on then I'll wait till after the summer to tweak my cab.

 

[VerdantGreen]

VG, sounds like you get really good yields growing horizontally.

Fact is, you'd get better results growing vertically (after a grow or two under your belt to "learn" how to SCROG vertically).

It's that simple.

perhaps i would, you vert guys really like to make these categorical claims dont ya.

so can you post me some links to low plant number vert scrogs that are getting better results than me? or shall i just take your word for it and change a growing style that ive been perfecting for 20+ years

ive seen some decent vert scrogs on here but nothing that's made me want to change.

VG

 

[growyourboat]

Keep polishing that turd VG

 

[VerdantGreen]

Keep polishing that turd VG

charming!

 

[Green Sky]

Still have seen no proof, just a lot chest- thumping, misdirection, and ignorant comments.

1+ GPW is up to the grower. Dialed enviroment, GOOD Genetics, and HPS lighting... got it?

VG, I have learned so much from your grows. It never mattered that they were horizontal to me..

 

[dj digigrow]

1+ GPW is up to the grower. Dialed enviroment, GOOD Genetics, and HPS lighting..

True statement! That about sums it up...
But on the side note, what made me want to get rid of the hoods and go vert was Krustys grows from overgrow back in the day... Im sure he was getting 1gpw or more...but Lonnnggg veg. For those huge trees though...

 

[TommyTwoColas]

perhaps i would, you vert guys really like to make these categorical claims dont ya.

so can you post me some links to low plant number vert scrogs that are getting better results than me? or shall i just take your word for it and change a growing style that ive been perfecting for 20+ years

ive seen some decent vert scrogs on here but nothing that's made me want to change.

VG

#1) Not a "vert" guy - run both vertical and horizontal setups
#2) With the small amount of wattage you use, your "true" (normalized for the low amount of plants/wattage) g/w is closer to 1gpw, IMO - you conceded as much in the other thread (that you linked DHF to).
#3) There are guys on their first or second run hitting 1g/w vertically.

Frankly, I don't care what you do..............just noticed you were commenting on threads in the vert forum so thought you might be getting a little curious

Best of luck with whatever you decide.

 

[EL Guapo]

I used to run 600's I used to get 1 p per 6 now I use 1000's I get bigger buds but haven't been able to break 1.5 p per light mostly cause I never am caught running a mono last run i had quite a few 10 oz plus plants... and while I am tagged into this I'm really focused on the quality not so much the yield .. The yield will come

 

[abellguy]

I used to run 600's I used to get 1 p per 6 now I use 1000's I get bigger buds but haven't been able to break 1.5 p per light mostly cause I never am caught running a mono last run i had quite a few 10 oz plus plants... and while I am tagged into this I'm really focused on the quality not so much the yield .. The yield will come

I think this is a good point in a 1 gpw thread, quality. If you have been growing a while you have probably figured out that you can pump certain strains up and get the maximum out of them but the quality goes down. Sometimes way down. You grow 2+ pounds per light but can only sell it half the price cause of quality, where you could grow 1 - 1.5 and sell it close to double the price, which one actually is more? I also would think if you were just gonna be smoking it and not selling it, it would last longer the better it is. Lower quality you will just get a tolerance to quick and be smoking it like a chimney and run out of it fast anyway. So imho dialing in to get the best quality medicine at the highest gpw is a good goal to have. One without the other could leave you short in the long run

 

[TGT]

I get 2 pounds per 1000 watt HPS consistantly with genetics I know, but seems impossible for me to break anything more than 10% that no matter how hard I try or how long I have been growing. I think the only way would be with better genetics, which I think is a big part of it.

TGT

 

[VerdantGreen]

thanks tommy,

im not sure i subscribe to your plans to downgrade my gpw because my grows are small , i normally use use around 60 watts per square foot which is pretty standard for gpw efficient growing (horizontally at least). much over that and you'll get some good nugs but your gpw will suffer.
i think in the other thread someone pointed out that small grows often get better efficiency, and it's kind of true, but i think its more to do with necessity and attention to detail than anything else. a 400 gives out more light per watt used than a 250, and a 600 more still, so really the bigger lights should give an advantage if anything. LED's i find give slightly better gpw than hps if you can get the buds into the footprint which tends to be smaller. HPS growers generally calculate their gpw based on the rated wattage of the light and that flatters their gpw a little because they tend to use more. my 250 actually uses 300W from the wall.


as for responding in the thread i got kind of sucked in because people were making claims that didnt match with what i see around the forums.

i'm curious about all ways of growing, and i love seeing a grow done well whatever orientation the light.

cheers,

VG

#1) Not a "vert" guy - run both vertical and horizontal setups
#2) With the small amount of wattage you use, your "true" (normalized for the low amount of plants/wattage) g/w is closer to 1gpw, IMO - you conceded as much in the other thread (that you linked DHF to).
#3) There are guys on their first or second run hitting 1g/w vertically.

Frankly, I don't care what you do..............just noticed you were commenting on threads in the vert forum so thought you might be getting a little curious

Best of luck with whatever you decide.

 

[abellguy]

thanks tommy,

im not sure i subscribe to your plans to downgrade my gpw because my grows are small , i normally use use around 60 watts per square foot which is pretty standard for gpw efficient growing (horizontally at least). much over that and you'll get some good nugs but your gpw will suffer.
i think in the other thread someone pointed out that small grows often get better efficiency, and it's kind of true, but i think its more to do with necessity and attention to detail than anything else. a 400 gives out more light per watt used than a 250, and a 600 more still, so really the bigger lights should give an advantage if anything. LED's i find give slightly better gpw than hps if you can get the buds into the footprint which tends to be smaller. HPS growers generally calculate their gpw based on the rated wattage of the light and that flatters their gpw a little because they tend to use more. my 250 actually uses 300W from the wall.


as for responding in the thread i got kind of sucked in because people were making claims that didnt match with what i see around the forums.

i'm curious about all ways of growing, and i love seeing a grow done well whatever orientation the light.

cheers,

VG

I think we could agree that environment is everything within the grow room. That is what we are doing as indoor gardeners is reproducing as closely as possible the conditions that are right for a given strain that is normally grown outside. After all I don't believe that cannabis was discovered growing in the corner of someones basement and has been bread to grow outdoors.

You left out in your comparison of the two that it is much easier to do that with a 250W/300W wall pull light in any enclosure as apposed to lets say 6K in one room. Anyone loosing attention to detail at 6K wasn't having any attention to detail at much smaller wattages either

 

[growyourboat]

Haha sorry VG, that jab was undeserved. I do enjoy reading about grow so keep up the good work.

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[The Boys]

I know how to get 5 lbs from 1 kw.
the method is sog and it wont work well without the right strain/pheno

 

[DHF]

I call bullshit on 2x/minute air circulation.....waste your power if you want, but that is overkill and unnecessary. Plants do NOT use that much CO2.

That`s straight from Heath Robinson , so call bullshit on him , and it`s plain simple you know dick about runnin excess electricity when major air exchange all but does away with a/c costs in the rooms except in deep summer and COMPLETELY does away with CO2 supplementation....and for the record....

My CO2 ppm`s were in the mid 700`s 24/7/365 in the southern smog-ridden metro area I grew in for 20 yrs , and it`s been shown for several yrs that MJ can only absorb and use 900 ppm`s efficiently during lights on cuz they shit out excess CO2 they couldn`t process during lights off , so.....anyways....

Ya`ll figure this shit out on your own....All I`ve ever done is try ta help folks and it`s obvious ya`ll need no help , and if it seems like I try ta shove things down folks throat , it`s not meant as such , but rather tryin ta save folks time and money to keep from makin all the costly mistakes I made over the yrs till I got it...and again......

This is my last post in this thread....Life`s too short and 1 thing VG....Yes....the gpw`s are more easily achieved with smaller wattage and increased plant numbers as Heath taught me many many yrs ago.....and....

That`s why bigger rooms could never compete from all the lumenloss and lack of overlap light...but...1 last thing.....

1 gpw in a timely manner runnin perpetual with more crops per month , bi-monthly , yearly , with dialed genetics and environment , along with increased plant numbers is babyshit.....the very BOTTOM of the ladder , and I`m talking bout minimum 1800 watt rooms with 3 bulbs stacked , and plants on all 4 walls...Stadiums are a challenge , but can be done.....Hell.....

The very first run Heath did with 2 bare bulb-600`s side by side in a 4' x 6' x 6.5' tall room WITH major air exchange GYB was a Breeding project used as a pheno hunt for fem seeds straight 12/12 along with rooted cuts to fill in the rest of the shelves for the sideways canopy development , and it turned into a lil over 4 lbs with 87 plants on the walls all around the room except for the small access door...so.....measure those gpw`s straight 12/12 as it should be....and again......plain as the nose on your face...plant numbers dictate yields.....

Wish ya`ll luck and prosperity......

Peace....DHF...........

 

[sso]

if someone is getting 1.5 gpw while another is getting 0.5, then i really doubt they are using the same strain. (unless the 0.5 is a total newbie)


there are strains that are 4x the size of "average" buds.

there are strains that are so much denser than "average" buds that they can be 4 times smaller and weigh the same and yet come from a plant that had equal size buds in the first place.

these strains always lack potency in comparison to more average yielding strains and seriously so in comparison to the small yielding strains.

 

[maryjaneismyfre]

My heaviest yielding strain is my dankest. But I love the sunshine so I have no idea about my g/w these days. Keep looking for your magic

 

[bobblehead]

these strains always lack potency in comparison to more average yielding strains and seriously so in comparison to the small yielding strains.

Chem D yields like a beast and has lab scores just as high as my other strains...

 

[Applesauce]

My Casey Jones yields better than anything else I have and is potent as anything. What's with some of the misinformation?