How do you achieve 1gpw??

[Nog Onsigbare]

Well next go I am going to grow trees; with all the security scares and snitches and surveillance I am goiing to keep the numbers low.
But I can assure you they are going to be damn big trees. So I will see how I go.
I wont do vertical because I don't like the idea of 1/4 of the light being directed up to the ceiling and wasted.
But anyway if you are just growing for personal then you don't need to worry about acheiving 1gpw, several plants should keep most smokers going for the year, and if you start to run out then put in another couple of plants.

 

[dj digigrow]

I wont do vertical because I don't like the idea of 1/4 of the light being directed up to the ceiling and wasted.

Your mistaking Nog, you lower the lamp down into the circles or rows till the socket it at the top of the plant so really no light is wasted..
If anything going horizontally your losing almost 50% of your light in the hood/reflector... But to each his own!..... I'll never go back to horizontal growing... It's a no brainer

 

[VerdantGreen]

^^ what, so you used a reflector that wasn't reflective??

 

[Nog Onsigbare]

Maybe vertical is a good idea for tall trees, as if the light is above the top of the plants then the bottom of the plant wouldn't get much light.
However a lot of light is still being wasted by going upwards, maybe a chinamans hat reflector would be the way to go.
I don't see how I could lose 50% of the light in the reflector, after all the reflector is silver and shiny and I can't see how it would absorb light.

 

[Applesauce]

Nog, reading your posts I am literally face palming as I sit here. I pull 1gpw with zero veg in a SoG. Not even monocropped. Others put me to shame. You need to stick around and read then read some more...

 

[Green Sky]

VG,
I think that he was referring to how a horizontal bulb is "wasting" or " 50% innefficient" due to it's positioning and use of a reflector.

-- so Boat, when you gonna post some pic's of your setup? maybe some details other than claiming more water will jump your GPW? We need this info to grow 2+ GPW... I'm dying to see this
** I also think that that the Boat might sink if he thinks post count is gonna help his rep after blasting senior members with little proof...

NOG - you should read old vertical growing journals and logs. You will see that the argument for Vertical bulb growing is pretty bullet- proof

 

[VerdantGreen]

VG,
I think that he was referring to how a horizontal bulb is "wasting" or " 50% innefficient" due to it's positioning and use of a reflector.

hi GS
reflectors are pretty efficient, well over 90% more like 95%, and the reflected light is diffuse i.e. it is coming from multiple sources and so penetrates your canopy much better than the light that comes directly from the lamp.

 

[DHF]

I`m sorry this thread`s turned into a turd in a punchbowl DJD , as I`m sure you were lookin for more informative gestures as to environment , watts per sq ft , increased plant numbers , and all the other factors such as genetics while monocroppin for the gpw`s , but no.....instead.....

We`ve got every fuckin know-it-all and critic all bashin each other bout what they DON`T or DO know "supposedly" without any logical explanation as to why......and then....

Here comes VG talkin bout reflectors bein 90-95% efficient in the vertical bare bulb forum , when I`ve never heard such in my life....I mean....

VG...do you sell hydroponic equipment for a living or what , cuz I assure you reflectors have NEVER been "efficient" , nor could they EVER compare or compete with the sideways lumens blastin off of bare bulbs.....and...

To all that doubt 1 gpw and then some , yas need to do your homework and research instead of talkin shit about what YOU`VE never been able to accomplish cuz if yas google "Heath Robinson" you`ll see that damn near ALL his setups and results are well into the 1.5`s and at 2 gpw`s and then some....

Increased plant numbers dictate yields....period....and before you come back with your whimsical retort VG...Please try growin with somethin besides LED`s and low wattage fixtures before you pass judgement on the big boy toys.....Sheesh....however....

I FULLY agree with your earlier statement as to lumen penetration into the canopy and as many plants as yas can keep in the lumen "footprint" cuz I`ve been preachin it for yrs...regardless if it`s horizontal OR vertical .....so....

Peace....DHF........

 

[bobblehead]

Big boy toys...

I guess if they say it can't be done... I'm a liar... And all of my work has been in vain. I should probably tear down my house and go kill myself...

 

[Hold Your Fire]

I remember Jorge Cervantes mentioning years ago now, that grams per watt per 30 days of growth, was a pretty good measuring stick.

I can't remember 100%, if it was 30 days of growth or 30 days of bloom, but it sounded good at the time.

Anyone else remember this??

 

[thinkin]

path to yield high, relationship cooltube+touching buds

path to yield high, relationship cooltube+touching buds

besides all great advice posted by the pros,
found this scenario repeat a few times over.

running a vertical cool tube.
grew some monster buds (different hybrid strains) which pushed GPW very high.

The monster (+ fist size) buds always had direct contact cooltube. Literally hugged the tube. From same plant, other (non touching) buds within .5-1" of the monsters grew at normal size.

BUT I have a suspicion, the normal sized buds had a better high. That's very subjective. I prefer the normal sized to the mutant monster buds.

 

[VerdantGreen]

hi DHF, im not bashing anyone here or getting irate, just thought i was having a discussion, - and wanted to correct someone who claimed you lose half of your light with a reflector because it isnt true.
ive been growing for 20 years in many different sized grows - and i get commissioned to set up grow rooms for other people - so you dont need to try and belittle me for my small grows - i have kids now and not such big balls as i used to. i cant do the time so i dont do the crime. simple as that.

you actually re-enforced my point quite well, Heath can get 1.5-2GPW, but very few others besides yourself seem to be able to achieve it - so folks saying 1.5 GPW is the new 'norm' is ambitious to say the least.
i would say the step-up from 1gpw to 1.5gpw is a very big one. i get 1 all the time, average about 1.2-1.3 - but have only achieved 1.5+ a couple of times.

but yeah, at least we agree on getting as many buds into the light as possible - thats what it boils down to.

i dont come here to troll, just that sometimes a reality check can be in order. having a forum just for vert can mean you're all so busy slapping each other on the back that you miss the other side of the debate completely.

so really i'm doing you all a favor

cheers

VG

 

[DHF]

Big boy toys...

I guess if they say it can't be done... I'm a liar... And all of my work has been in vain. I should probably tear down my house and go kill myself...

Hell.....bout the time yas hit your cutoff period of 4 yrs , you`ll only have just gotten to where everything is truly set it and ferget it , but will have prolly done more than most here could imagine......Why ?....

Folks never stay with the same setup and dial it.....They`re always lookin for the bigger better deal when it`s right under their nose....

Dial yer shit....Run 1 strain at a time till yas can`t squeeze another gram out of her and then yas`ve done somethin....guaranteed results will provide accordingly .......

Can`t monocrop ?...bullshit...build more smaller rooms where each different strain`s nutrient requirements can be tweaked while they`re shaped , pruned , and dialed to provide perfect canopy penetration by end of stretch and it`s a done deal....

GPW`s come from the little things....and yeah HYF , gpw`s are based on length of veg to total end of cycle , but runnin perpetually with plants a month or even less apart in age keeps things turnin over and waay more efficient for crops per yr that helps overall returns on investment....

Bobbles....Don`t commit suicide ..........

You da man....Freds.........

 

[Space Toker]

I remember Jorge Cervantes mentioning years ago now, that grams per watt per 30 days of growth, was a pretty good measuring stick.

I can't remember 100%, if it was 30 days of growth or 30 days of bloom, but it sounded good at the time.

Anyone else remember this??

yes I do remember that and wish I knew specifically where I saw that (which article or which book), or where I saw that with 9 plantlets per square foot in a sog, 2.5 ounces per square foot in a horizontal setup was possible (I guess if anyone does large scale sog's anymore, they aren't talking about it! ). so I was about to ask the same thing, if gpw was per month or per crop? Not sure about the answer to YOUR question, but if it was grams per watt per month, that seems like it would be a lot better measure of efficiency. Of course you have to take in to account overall quality too or value produced per year if you were commercial. But still a more effective measure of things than just gpw I would think. As far as vert growing, I still have my doubts. Reflectors must have been made for a reason, if you did not need them why would they make them? I would imagine a bare bulb would have uneven light blasting off it, lots in one direction and not so much in another. A reflector would balance and more evenly distribute it better would it not? I never tried vert growing and it seems to work well for some but my point is, is it really that much better than horizontal? Or can a well done horizontal setup rival the yields of vert?

 

[growyourboat]

I'm with DHF, though I'd like to point out that VG is correct in saying that reflectors can easily be 90-95%+ efficient. Lack of efficiency in horizontal setups has nothing to do with the reflector..... and everything to do with the greater area of light hitting each plant, making each individual plant more productive and efficient.

 

[bobblehead]

I'm with DHF, though I'd like to point out that VG is correct in saying that reflectors can easily be 90-95%+ efficient. Lack of efficiency in horizontal setups has nothing to do with the reflector..... and everything to do with the greater area of light hitting each plant, making each individual plant more productive and efficient.

Reflected light will never be as efficient as light coming directly off the lamp, period. My light meter says so. Vertical lamps provide for a larger canopy of more intense light.

Anyone who can't break 1gpw should probably change what they're doing... If you get .5gpw every time doing the same thing over and over... Maybe it's time to try something different? B/c clearly you're missing something. .5gpw is a bad run for me. That is my bare minimum. Even when i hit 1gpw i had loads of room for improvement. Read my threads...

 

[abellguy]

I can't remember exactly where I read it and to be fair it was probably ten years back at least but the best reflector at that time only put 6% of the light back down to the garden. So that would translate to 56% of the light from the bulb actually being used by the plants under it. Another way to look at it would be your plants usually are growing for the most part off of just ~50% of the bulb. It only makes sense using the other side of it would give you about the same as what you are already getting.

Since that time I have not heard of any type of groundbreaking reflector other than the aaw's. It would be very interesting to know how much % the aaw puts back down to the plants. I would be willing to bet it can't be more than 60% down at this point in time.

Reflectors are made cause bare bulbs don't work in lighting situations and are against code. Bare bulb setups are not totally safe but definitely affective and I can say that very comfortably without ever growing vert YET. Next run I become a convert and will be running two flat and two vert so you can see the comparison

 

[dj digigrow]

Didnt want this to turn into a vert. Vs. Horiz. Thread.. there are too many of them already...
As DHF said, just interested in everyone's definition of the gpw and how to achieve it.
I'm running 2k vert. First time doing 2 levels so we'll see what I do... But it definitely comes down to plant #'s!
Space , check out the thread in this section the guy is doing 2k vert. vs. 4k horiz. , the proof is in the pudding!

 

[growyourboat]

I can't remember exactly where I read it and to be fair it was probably ten years back at least but the best reflector at that time only put 6% of the light back down to the garden.

Nonsense bro. As already stated multiple times in this thread, which is common engineering knowledge: it is quite possible (and common) for a reflector to be 90%+ efficient, with 98%+ not being unheard of.

Perhaps the article you read said that the reflector had a 6% loss, which would equal 94% efficiency. That sounds well within the realm of probability. It's certainly true that some of the best "looking" reflectors out there aren't that efficient.

Reflectors are made cause bare bulbs don't work in lighting situations and are against code.

What code? There is no such code. People run horizontal setups just because of their false beliefs, not because there are rules against vertical or anything.

 

[Ganja baba]

every one should be hitting 18 to 20 oz average from 1 600 wt light , thats trimmed well and dried properly
thats with upto 3 weeks veg 8 to 9 weeks flowering time , if you are not getting this and know you are not doing any thing wrong with the growing side of things then , bulbs ,shades and quality eqipment and genetics should be next on the list to get . and dont grow kush as its notorious for low yeilds , well most are try skunk or norhten lights x ?
AND DONT BUY FEM SEEDS AND YOU WILL NOTICE YOUR YIELD INCREASES , not a gospel but works for me .

GOLDEN RULE DONT OVER COMPLICATE THINGS , if some thing seems to far fetched to much trouble then simply go back to basics , compost made for weed , nutes made for weed , follow the chart and start with good genetics , dont listen to people and find your own info from the net and say from members you understand and you like the way they grow ,

and work out the dam physics for what you are doing , its not rocket science , if you cant root cutting get a glass of water and root them on the window sill , will take a few weeks longer but it works ,

well until the next thread like this pops up seems to be every other month now , dont for get them variables , its all about them