Legalization Debate Takes Off in Latin America

[dagnabit]

That's an unsubstantiated claim. If he was an avid drug warrior he never would have backed off on dispensaries during the beginning of his first term. Rather then saying the states should handle it he would have said that the Federal Government needs to ramp up enforcement.

you mean like letters to landlords threatening seizure of their property if they rent to dispensaries?
or like the massive crackdown on medical marijuana?

i fell for it too.
i believed O would be good for us.
i even believed the memo to let states handle it.
then i saw his actions.
worse than bush FFS.
now his new "strategy" of double down on the war on drugs(2012 WOD strategy report)
but hey that's just his actions and words..
im sure you have some other information to go on?

you do realize in obama's religion if you have not accecpeted the son of a zombie as your personal savior you are doomed to burn inn hell right?
does that mean obama is gonna make us all eat zombie flesh and drink zombie blood?

ill take romney on the WOD over obama. im betting romney would be very bushesque on the WOD and that beats O hands down.

just ask all the dispos that survived 8 years of bush and see how obama is worse.

ohhh wait you cant. he shut 'em down.

 

[HempKat]

you mean like letters to landlords threatening seizure of their property if they rent to dispensaries?
or like the massive crackdown on medical marijuana?

i fell for it too.
i believed O would be good for us.
i even believed the memo to let states handle it.
then i saw his actions.
worse than bush FFS.
now his new "strategy" of double down on the war on drugs(2012 WOD strategy report)
but hey that's just his actions and words..
im sure you have some other information to go on?

you do realize in obama's religion if you have not accecpeted the son of a zombie as your personal savior you are doomed to burn inn hell right?
does that mean obama is gonna make us all eat zombie flesh and drink zombie blood?

ill take romney on the WOD over obama. im betting romney would be very bushesque on the WOD and that beats O hands down.

just ask all the dispos that survived 8 years of bush and see how obama is worse.

ohhh wait you cant. he shut 'em down.

Show me one of those letters that came from Obama. Show me anything that refutes the claim by the authors of those letters that Obama had nothing to do with their campaign against the dispensaries. You can't because that proof does not exist. I know you hate Obama enough that you can't pass up the opportunity to distort the truth on this matter but it's still a distortion, it's still not the truth.

Me personally I never looked to Obama to legalize marijuana, hell I'm still amazed being a black man he ever got elected I really didn't think this country had progressed enough on racial issues to do that. Apparently though the country was more willing to deal with Obama then to have Hilary Clinton as a President. I thought it encouraging that he felt the States should handle these matters and everything he himself has done personally suggests he still believes that. Additionally as I understand it what was the thing that triggered those letters and the new Federal position was that many of the dispensaries were being used as fronts to ship marijuana out of California which if true is enough outside of the state laws to allow the DEA to step in without Obama going back on his word to leave dispensaries alone as long as they were in compliance. Anyone paying attention to how he handled the marijuana question on that Internet Townsquare meeting he held after the election never should have thought Obama was going to "Free The Weed" they should have thought like I did that in a country embroilled in multiple wars and facing a devastating economic collapse that had world wide reppercussions there was no way Obama would put marijuana reform on his list of priorities. Especially when everyone on the right was/is/and will continue to jump on any opportunity to put him in a bad light. I mean my god he makes a comment about how even though he wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth he still succeeded and suddenly he's slaming Romney for being rich rather then letting people know the American Dream still exists.

Oh and clearly by your comments you don't have clue one as to how Mormons view drug use. Then again you don't seem to have clue one about Christianity either. I could maybe see calling Christ a zombie since he's raised from the dead but I fail to see how that would make his Father a zombie no where in any Christian religion have I seen references to God the Father being raised from the dead. Of course I'm guessing you wanted to throw that zombie thing out there to make Obama seem even more riddiculous to those too lazy to think beyond your post.

 

[dagnabit]

Show me one of those letters that came from Obama.

so he gets credit for the memo saying it's a states issue and no blame for the order to assault mmj?

I thought it encouraging that he felt the States should handle these matters and everything he himself has done personally suggests he still believes that.

what has he done?
besides being the executive in charge of the agencies conducting the raids and making the threats.

wanna see the rhetoric of a drug warrior?
have you read the
WOD strategy?

Encourage States to Adopt Per Se Drug Impairment Laws (1.5.A.) The Administration encourages
states to pursue enhanced legal responses, such as per se (or “zero tolerance”) laws. Seventeen states
already have per se statutes, and additional states should consider adopting these standards. These
same standards have been applied to 12 million commercial drivers in the United States for the past
two decades. The Administration has developed educational packets for states, providing them with
information on the dangers of drugged driving and why per se laws are beneficial.
Collect Further Data on Drugged Driving (1.5.B.) NHTSA, with support from ONDCP, is currently planning
the next iteration of the National Roadside Survey. Typically conducted every 10 years, NHTSA has
accelerated the schedule so data will be available to assess the Nation’s drugged driving goal in 2015.
ONDCP and NHTSA are also currently supporting NIDA in driving simulator research to examine driving
impairment as a result of marijuana and combined marijuana and alcohol use and correlate it with the
results of oral fluid testing. NHTSA is conducting a study to estimate the risk of being involved in a crash
after having consumed drugs, including both illegal drugs as well as prescription drugs. These research
initiatives will enhance understanding of this emerging issue and guide policymakers moving forward.

are zero tolerance laws the tools of drug warriors?

wanna read about drug tests in public schools?
how about compulsory workplace testing?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/ondcp/2012_ndcs.pdf
notice that aint an alex jones link....

or the amount of money a drug warrior would spend?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/def...ug_control_budget_and_performance_summary.pdf

Additionally as I understand it what was the thing that triggered those letters and the new Federal position was that many of the dispensaries were being used as fronts to ship marijuana out of California which if true is enough outside of the state laws to allow the DEA to step in without Obama going back on his word to leave dispensaries alone as long as they were in compliance.

yeah they got what they deserved

Anyone paying attention to how he handled the marijuana question on that Internet Townsquare meeting he held after the election never should have thought Obama was going to "Free The Weed"

i never thought he would "free the weed" i just imagined he would be better than bush FFS!!!!

Oh and clearly by your comments you don't have clue one as to how Mormons view drug use. Then again you don't seem to have clue one about Christianity either. I could maybe see calling Christ a zombie since he's raised from the dead but I fail to see how that would make his Father a zombie no where in any Christian religion have I seen references to God the Father being raised from the dead. Of course I'm guessing you wanted to throw that zombie thing out there to make Obama seem even more riddiculous to those too lazy to think beyond your post.

your right...

you can only meet the majic cloud man if you accept the zombie (born of a celestial rape)eat his flesh and drink his blood....

this is what christians believe right?

so it's safe to assume an obama second term will have us all forced to accept the zombie to save our souls right?
politicians are incapable of separating their religion from policy right?

naw naw naw goddamn america and her chickens roosting..


personally i dont give a shit white,black,cock,no cock,mormon,muslim or christian.

read the 2012 strategy and tell me he is not a fucking drug warrior.
but it's not just some repuke nutjob saying this like you make it out to be..

unless mamma huff has turned right winger?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-piper/white-house-drug-policy_b_1432309.html

and norml
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/soci...-releases-2012-national-drug-control-strategy

just us right wing nutjobs right?
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/2012/apr/20/obamas_2012_drug_strategy_same_o

it's not that i hate him so much i can't wait to put him in a bad light..

he just keeps being worse than the worst president EVER!!!!

you O bots remind me of battered wives.

the motherfucker laughs in your face,kicks you in the teeth and you say "but he is a good man he just needs another chance"

 

[MadBuddhaAbuser]

Show me one of those letters that came from Obama. Show me anything that refutes the claim by the authors of those letters that Obama had nothing to do with their campaign against the dispensaries. You can't because that proof does not exist.

Really?

Obama’s New Drug Control Report Calls for More Workplace Drug Testing, Nationwide Zero Tolerance Laws,Prescription-OnlyEphedrineProducts, and the Return of the “Above the Influence” Campaign

Mike Riggs|April 17, 2012

The first thing you should know about President Barack Obama’s 2012 Drug Control Strategy report is that it begins and ends with the declaration that the war on drugs is working and will continue apace.

Obama administration policies have “yielded significant results,” according to the President’s introductory letter, which concludes by saying, “While difficult budget decisions must bemade at all levels of government, we must ensure continued support for policies and programs that reduce drug use and its enormous costs to American society.”

The report ends with a familiar refrain: “Legalization of drugs will not beconsidered in this approach. Making drugs more available and more accessible will not reducedrug use and itsadverse consequences for publi c health and safety. We will continue to educate young people and all Americans about the science on the harmful health effects of marijuana use.”

The pages in between those two statements contain a broad outline for increased drug enforcement, mandatory rehabilitation programs for people who don’t need or want them, and the return of melodramatic Reefer Madness-style agitprop aimed at teenagers.

The worst policy planscontained in the report are outlined afterthejump.

- The report implicitly blames the debate over drug reform—one Obama recently told Univision he’s more than willing to hear—for increased use of drugs by teens:

One possible influence on this observed trend in drug use and perception of risk is the decreased exposure of youth to prevention messages and the presence of messages and policies that downplay the consequences of drug use. WhiletheAdministration supportsongoing research into determining what components of the marijuanaplantcan beused asmedicine, to date, neither the FDA nor the Institute of Medicine has found the marijuana plantitself to meet the modern standard for safe or effective medicine for any condition. The Administration also recognizesthatlegalizing marijuanawould not provide the answer to any of the health, social, youth education, criminaljustice,and community quality of lifechallengesassociated with drug use.

- The report encourages carte blanche workplace drug testing, on the grounds that it will curtail productivity losses associated with drug use and improve users’ lives. It also describestheObama administration’s attempt to develop on oral test for workplace drug testing:

In addition to the youth programs mentioned previously, as our young people enter the workplace and others remain engaged in workforce, it is important to ensure a drug-free workplace. The consequences of illicitdrug usein America’s workforce include job-related accidents and injuries, absenteeism, health care costs, and lost productivity.

Workplace programs that provide clear policies regarding drug use; offer prevention and education opportunities for employers and supervisors; conduct drug testing to detect and deter use; and support referral and treatment for those who have substance use disorders can play a largerolein reducing the demand for drugs throughout our Nation and in helping drug users get into treatment.

These programs provide employees with the opportunity to self-identify and get help. Often, such programs give employees an opportunity to return to the same job, or a similar job in the same industry, thereby creating an incentiveto succeed in their recoveryand resumea fulfilling career. Consequently, drug-free workplace programs are beneficial for our labor force, employers, families, and communities in general.

In 2011, the Administration committed to funding for the scientific determination for oral fluids testing as a complement to urine testing. HHS published a FederalRegisternoticerequestin gpubliccomment on the scientificbasis for oral fluidtesting . HHS ismoving forward to setstandardsfororalfluidtesting thatwill be published in the future for public comment before they can be finalized in the Mandatory Guidelinesfor Drug Workplace Testing. These Guidelineswillalso beavailableforstateand local jurisdictions to apply as appropriate for the prosecution of drugged driving violations,and to encourage the drug testing industry to develop accurate point-of-collection oralfluidtesting devices.

- The report contains a request to Congress for $20 million to Revamp and Reenergizethe National Youth Anti-Drug Media Campaign, which was defunded by Congress last year because it doesn’t work:

Since 2005, there has been a significant public investment in developing the widely-recognized “AbovetheInfluence” (ATI) brand, a campaign that has been found by independent scientific analyses to be effective, relevantto youth,and instrumental to drug prevention efforts in communities across the country. Unfortunately, despite evidence of its effectiveness, Congress appropriated no funding for the Media Campaign in Fiscal Year(FY) 2012, and the campaign is now operating on a minimal budget composed of its unobligated balancesastheYouth Drug Prevention Media Program.

The report also calls for a nationwide zero tolerance policy for "drugged driving,"which would meanalldriverswould besubjectedto laws that currently affect only commercial drivers:

The Administration encourages statesto pursue enhanced legal responses, suchasper se(or “zero tolerance”) laws. Seventeen states already haveper sestatutes, and additional states should consider adopting these standards. These same standardshavebeenapplied to 12million commercial drivers in the United States for the past two decades. The Administration has developed educational packets for states, providing them with information on the dangers of drugged driving and why per se laws are beneficial.

- The report also says that “Several options are being considered to further reduce methamphetamine production including prescription-only status for pseudoephedrine/ephedrine products.”

The MarijuanaPolicyProject’sRob Kampia hascalled thereport“appalling,” adding, “The drug czar is trying to resurrect those stupid TV ads, like the one where a teenager gets his fist stuck in his mouth. The budget intentionally undercounts the federal government's expenditures on incarcerating drug offenders, who comprise more than half of the federal prison population. And the budget dangerously proposes a massive escalation in using the militaryto fight drugsdomestically.Congressshou ld just ignore this budget and start from scratch. Specifically, Congress should not provide the Obama administration with any money to go after nonviolentmarijuanausers,growers,or distributors."

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition also attacked the report.

"President Obama keeps saying he is open to a discussion but he never seems willing to actually havethatdiscussion,” said LEAP Director Neil Franklin said in a press release. “Polls show that three out of four U.S. voters think the 'war on drugs' is a failure and a majoritynow support marijuanalegalization. Thetime forreal changeisnow, but attheSummitof theAmericas President Obama announced more than $130 million in aid to fundthecontinued effort to arrest drug traffickers in Latin America. This prohibition strategy hasn't worked in the past and it cannot work in the future. Latin American leadersknow it, and President Obama must know it. Let's stop the charade and begin to bring drugs under control through legalization."

Former ONDCP senior advisor Kevin Sabet,meanwhile, isdoing promotion for the report, which he refers to as “Wake Up and Grow Up.” In anticipating criticism of the report, Sabet writes, "The 2012 release is likelyto beattacked by those who are waiting for the day the President will makea U-turn and support legalization—but attackers will unfortunately miss the nuance and striking clarity which characterizes this particular documentand its connection with the first Strategy." Fun fact: Sabet wrote the first strategy!

More Reason on Obama's drug policies, including investments in police violence, the myth that the president's policies are "compassionate" and Jacob Sullum'smust-read featureon how Obama turned out to be just another drug warrior.

Of course I'm guessing you wanted to throw that zombie thing out there to make Obama seem even more riddiculous to those too lazy to think beyond your post.

He should have gone with the dog eating thing FTW

 

[dddaver]

Well this turned into a pro obama/anti-obama political debate complete with walls of text...yay, not to hijack or go off subject or nothin'.

 

[bombadil.360]

latin america will not legalize drugs; you want to know historical facts on the matter?

Pablo Escobar Gaviria, proposed to the Colombian Government to legalize all drugs, this way, the black-market created by prohibition would end and cartels would have no way to rake-in the cash.

of course, he proposed this knowing that they would never do this, since he himself had funded plenty of politicians with his drug-money. and no way the politicians would want that flow of cash to stop comming in.

this is one of the reasons he was hunted down like he was. when he was killed, his competition claimed the market and as well claimed the positions to keep feeding the cash to government officials to maintain the prohibition.

same thing with Chavez and Evo Morales, both of which are known cocaine smugglers raking in the cash.

no way they will stop anytime soon, much less allow anyone in Latin America to do so.

these are facts, as opposed to the dreamy bullshit from the article in the original post in the thread.

best book you can find on these and other issues detailed by Colombian Journalist Alonso Salazar, La Parabola de Pablo (pablo's parable)

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

Our corrupt government will fight this to the end. There are too many people and organizations making money from the drug trade in the US. On one hand they fight it, on the other they profit from it. Aside from that, imagine the prison and employee lobbies that don't wish to find another business to be in.

they are losing support so fast. there is so few prohibitionist left. the only thing they have going for them is money and one government; and that doesn't mean shit if you cant pay anyone to enforce it. even american LEO has LEEP. Most of these cops wont enforce pot laws. Then you have portugal, spain, the netherlands, mexico, the liberal party of canada, and all of south america calling for pot legalization.

Prohibition is going to crumble due to lack of infrastructure updates. Young people are not on board at all. there will be no one left to support prohibition soon.

 

[bombadil.360]

... and all of south america calling for pot legalization...

is this like an imaginary south america from some science fiction book?

because in the actual south america, no one is calling for legalization and no-thing is being done about it.

shit, a group of buddies and I got banned from a political forum for starting the biggest thread they ever had in their shitty forum, because we went there just to explain why prohibition does not work.

'officialists' even wrote death-threats because of it. the forums even got shut-down for a while because of it.

now, the only way to subscribe to these specific forums, is to verify in real life that you are a member of what would be the communist party, and if you disagree with any official rulings, you are banned and vanished. you need to provide i.d number and membership to their 'party'.

western europe and u.s will be the first ones to end prohibition, not south america.







stop with the fantasy please. it does not help anyone, it does not help the movement.

 

[Pepé The Grower]

Especially considering the current state of the huge political boondoggle and the monetary profit motive that drives everything now in the US, I am now convinced that the laws associated with cannabis in the US will only change from pressures outside our country, and not come from any of the puppet governments that only seek to appease the US either, but by totally independent nations, places like France or maybe even Germany. Then when the people see how stupid and unjust all this is, the US government will be forced to change it's stance. But without that happening, we will see the same broken promises,and the powers that be (money,big Pharma) will just continue their happy bullshit, and rake in their dough.

Both france and germany are big pharma countries,making billions in this industry;they also make billions on alcohol exports(wine,beer...);and they got a mega bunch of old voters fully minded by "reefer madness"...and they also have great interest to not change the policy toward morrocco,which help them make billions too in the illicit trade( both on repression and trafficking sides),don't forget almost all morroccan hash in the netherland is gone through france,and this country have the most repressive policy of the whole european nations...so if you expect a move in the right direction from these countries,imho you're a fool...we as europeans have much more to expect from countries like spain,czech republic,great britain...and even the netherland(and this despite their actual governement)...but in the end i'm persuaded that the move will come first(for the western nation) in the usa,then europa will follow( may take a decade to move for them)

i'm not trying to flame you,it's just i tought it was a clear nonsense.

 

[headband 707]

Really?

Obama’s New Drug Control Report Calls for More Workplace Drug Testing, Nationwide Zero Tolerance Laws,Prescription-OnlyEphedrineProducts, and the Return of the “Above the Influence” Campaign

Mike Riggs|April 17, 2012

The first thing you should know about President Barack Obama’s 2012 Drug Control Strategy report is that it begins and ends with the declaration that the war on drugs is working and will continue apace.

Obama administration policies have “yielded significant results,” according to the President’s introductory letter, which concludes by saying, “While difficult budget decisions must bemade at all levels of government, we must ensure continued support for policies and programs that reduce drug use and its enormous costs to American society.”

The report ends with a familiar refrain: “Legalization of drugs will not beconsidered in this approach. Making drugs more available and more accessible will not reducedrug use and itsadverse consequences for publi c health and safety. We will continue to educate young people and all Americans about the science on the harmful health effects of marijuana use.”

The pages in between those two statements contain a broad outline for increased drug enforcement, mandatory rehabilitation programs for people who don’t need or want them, and the return of melodramatic Reefer Madness-style agitprop aimed at teenagers.

The worst policy planscontained in the report are outlined afterthejump.

- The report implicitly blames the debate over drug reform—one Obama recently told Univision he’s more than willing to hear—for increased use of drugs by teens:

One possible influence on this observed trend in drug use and perception of risk is the decreased exposure of youth to prevention messages and the presence of messages and policies that downplay the consequences of drug use. WhiletheAdministration supportsongoing research into determining what components of the marijuanaplantcan beused asmedicine, to date, neither the FDA nor the Institute of Medicine has found the marijuana plantitself to meet the modern standard for safe or effective medicine for any condition. The Administration also recognizesthatlegalizing marijuanawould not provide the answer to any of the health, social, youth education, criminaljustice,and community quality of lifechallengesassociated with drug use.

- The report encourages carte blanche workplace drug testing, on the grounds that it will curtail productivity losses associated with drug use and improve users’ lives. It also describestheObama administration’s attempt to develop on oral test for workplace drug testing:

In addition to the youth programs mentioned previously, as our young people enter the workplace and others remain engaged in workforce, it is important to ensure a drug-free workplace. The consequences of illicitdrug usein America’s workforce include job-related accidents and injuries, absenteeism, health care costs, and lost productivity.

Workplace programs that provide clear policies regarding drug use; offer prevention and education opportunities for employers and supervisors; conduct drug testing to detect and deter use; and support referral and treatment for those who have substance use disorders can play a largerolein reducing the demand for drugs throughout our Nation and in helping drug users get into treatment.

These programs provide employees with the opportunity to self-identify and get help. Often, such programs give employees an opportunity to return to the same job, or a similar job in the same industry, thereby creating an incentiveto succeed in their recoveryand resumea fulfilling career. Consequently, drug-free workplace programs are beneficial for our labor force, employers, families, and communities in general.

In 2011, the Administration committed to funding for the scientific determination for oral fluids testing as a complement to urine testing. HHS published a FederalRegisternoticerequestin gpubliccomment on the scientificbasis for oral fluidtesting . HHS ismoving forward to setstandardsfororalfluidtesting thatwill be published in the future for public comment before they can be finalized in the Mandatory Guidelinesfor Drug Workplace Testing. These Guidelineswillalso beavailableforstateand local jurisdictions to apply as appropriate for the prosecution of drugged driving violations,and to encourage the drug testing industry to develop accurate point-of-collection oralfluidtesting devices.

- The report contains a request to Congress for $20 million to Revamp and Reenergizethe National Youth Anti-Drug Media Campaign, which was defunded by Congress last year because it doesn’t work:

Since 2005, there has been a significant public investment in developing the widely-recognized “AbovetheInfluence” (ATI) brand, a campaign that has been found by independent scientific analyses to be effective, relevantto youth,and instrumental to drug prevention efforts in communities across the country. Unfortunately, despite evidence of its effectiveness, Congress appropriated no funding for the Media Campaign in Fiscal Year(FY) 2012, and the campaign is now operating on a minimal budget composed of its unobligated balancesastheYouth Drug Prevention Media Program.

The report also calls for a nationwide zero tolerance policy for "drugged driving,"which would meanalldriverswould besubjectedto laws that currently affect only commercial drivers:

The Administration encourages statesto pursue enhanced legal responses, suchasper se(or “zero tolerance”) laws. Seventeen states already haveper sestatutes, and additional states should consider adopting these standards. These same standardshavebeenapplied to 12million commercial drivers in the United States for the past two decades. The Administration has developed educational packets for states, providing them with information on the dangers of drugged driving and why per se laws are beneficial.

- The report also says that “Several options are being considered to further reduce methamphetamine production including prescription-only status for pseudoephedrine/ephedrine products.”

The MarijuanaPolicyProject’sRob Kampia hascalled thereport“appalling,” adding, “The drug czar is trying to resurrect those stupid TV ads, like the one where a teenager gets his fist stuck in his mouth. The budget intentionally undercounts the federal government's expenditures on incarcerating drug offenders, who comprise more than half of the federal prison population. And the budget dangerously proposes a massive escalation in using the militaryto fight drugsdomestically.Congressshou ld just ignore this budget and start from scratch. Specifically, Congress should not provide the Obama administration with any money to go after nonviolentmarijuanausers,growers,or distributors."

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition also attacked the report.

"President Obama keeps saying he is open to a discussion but he never seems willing to actually havethatdiscussion,” said LEAP Director Neil Franklin said in a press release. “Polls show that three out of four U.S. voters think the 'war on drugs' is a failure and a majoritynow support marijuanalegalization. Thetime forreal changeisnow, but attheSummitof theAmericas President Obama announced more than $130 million in aid to fundthecontinued effort to arrest drug traffickers in Latin America. This prohibition strategy hasn't worked in the past and it cannot work in the future. Latin American leadersknow it, and President Obama must know it. Let's stop the charade and begin to bring drugs under control through legalization."

Former ONDCP senior advisor Kevin Sabet,meanwhile, isdoing promotion for the report, which he refers to as “Wake Up and Grow Up.” In anticipating criticism of the report, Sabet writes, "The 2012 release is likelyto beattacked by those who are waiting for the day the President will makea U-turn and support legalization—but attackers will unfortunately miss the nuance and striking clarity which characterizes this particular documentand its connection with the first Strategy." Fun fact: Sabet wrote the first strategy!

More Reason on Obama's drug policies, including investments in police violence, the myth that the president's policies are "compassionate" and Jacob Sullum'smust-read featureon how Obama turned out to be just another drug warrior.



He should have gone with the dog eating thing FTW

What Obama really means is he is going to lock ppl up because he makes tons of cash off of that one and he is not going to stop. As far as the education of the young ppl thanks ,but no thanks Obama I don't want your type of education at the expence of my life and liberty lol.. Finally he is going to stick he nose in everyone elses business like he has always done and make other counties lives as misrable as his own countries is right now. Your a real piece of work .. I hope you get stopped real soon... the sooner the better.. No one should talk about cannabis when they put prescription drugs on the market everyday and he does not blink an eye about this. No Mr. Obama you really do have this one all wrong.

Think about it where would the US be if everyone else said "We are no longer going to treat cannabis like a crime" Gee think of all that cash the US and Canada might LOSE lol,,, now that would be so great ,,once and for all they decriminalized cannabis like it should be.. headband 707

 

[bombadil.360]

all this socialist moves by the governments are the classic strategies to make people think they owe something to their governments.

what you can do for your country no longer applies; the strategy is getting people to think in terms of 'what can the government do for me?".

making every little mental midget dependent on government hand-outs and 'social' programs.

 

[headband 707]

all this socialist moves by the governments are the classic strategies to make people think they owe something to their governments.

what you can do for your country no longer applies; the strategy is getting people to think in terms of 'what can the government do for me?".

making every little mental midget dependent on government hand-outs and 'social' programs.

I cannot remember the last time the Gov. did anything for me LOL.. Now that one is funny.. I can however remember giving them cash for all this legislation that I do not want or have any belief in at all.I agree each country tries to hold it's citizens whether you believe this or not.If you think your free think again lol..What amazes me is that even doctors are apart of holding ppl back for the cash they are some of the worst offenders. I have to laugh when I hear "social programs" in Canada that usually means spend as little as possible to get as much as you can and then cut it after the election...and start up just before an election talk about how great you were.. headband 707

 

[flubnutz]

who you think you'd really end up sitting down and smoking a joint with ... obama or george bush? kumar worked for obama but he toked with bush LOL

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

I just saw Assad's wife... I'd puff with her every day.

 

[Siomha]

when ever you fly in another country and you can smoke out anywhere
you know we overgrew them all.

 

[HempKat]

Look first of all you seem to think I'm one of many who voted for Obama because I thought he was pot friendly and that I still like him and think he'll do the right thing eventually. Well that's not why I voted for him and that's not what I think about him. I voted for Obama because I felt he was a safer choice then McCain. I'll likely vote for him again too because I feel he's a safer choice then Romney. I'm not voting for him and likely will never vote for any political candidate because I believe that person is going to turn the country around. I say that because I don't feel it's possible for any one candidate to do that. Oh and just so you know, I voted for Bush both times, first because I thought he was a safer bet then Gore and the second time because I felt he suld finish the war he started.

Now on to all this nonsense you posted down here;

so he gets credit for the memo saying it's a states issue and no blame for the order to assault mmj?

What memo, I heard him say that from his mouth during a speech I never saw any memo. I did see the letters though and no where on those eviction letters did I see Obama's or Holder's signature and I've seen multiple stories where the 4 US Attornies in California have stated they did what they did without and encouragement or approval from the President or the Attorney General. I know you want to keep giving Obama credit for this because you're obviously one who feels anything that happens during a presidency should be blamed on the president but that just too retarded a method of resoning for me to adopt.

what has he done?
besides being the executive in charge of the agencies conducting the raids and making the threats.

On the war on drugs? Nothing. But like I've already said I never expected him to do anything on that.

wanna see the rhetoric of a drug warrior?
have you read the
WOD strategy?

Yes I have and you know what, it wasn't written by Obama. So to credit Obama with the stance it takesis misguided. Personally I think Obama has just been going with the flow and trusting the people that have been dealing with this for years. I think Obama doesn't really have a persoanl position on drugs for or against. I think all he cares about is getting re-elected and until he is he's not going to do anything to upset the independents and conservatives any more then the color of his skin already does.

are zero tolerance laws the tools of drug warriors?

wanna read about drug tests in public schools?
how about compulsory workplace testing?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/ondcp/2012_ndcs.pdf
notice that aint an alex jones link....

I yes I would say those things are the tools of a drug warrior but where I differ from you I credit the author of those words (R. Gil Kerlikowske, Director of National Drug Control Policy) with the title of Drug Warrior. The only title I'd give Obama besides President is puppet.

or the amount of money a drug warrior would spend?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/def...ug_control_budget_and_performance_summary.pdf

I guess, I mean it's only a 1.6% increase from previous budgets which is right in line with inflation.

yeah they got what they deserved


i never thought he would "free the weed" i just imagined he would be better than bush FFS!!!!

Why though? I mean he never really took a solid position, never outlined a plan to do more so why on earth would you think that? Because he smoked some weed when he was a kid?

your right...

you can only meet the majic cloud man if you accept the zombie (born of a celestial rape)eat his flesh and drink his blood....

this is what christians believe right?

No it's your personal interpretation of what they believe the problem though is your ego is so huge you think whatever you believe is the truth and everyone else who says different is wrong.

so it's safe to assume an obama second term will have us all forced to accept the zombie to save our souls right?
politicians are incapable of separating their religion from policy right?

Assumption is never safe or don't you know what they say when you AssUMe?

personally i dont give a shit white,black,cock,no cock,mormon,muslim or christian.

I call bullshit, your posts have consistently shown that you do hold prejudices. I mean why such an outlandish distortion of the Christian belief if you don't care about Christians or what they think?

read the 2012 strategy and tell me he is not a fucking drug warrior.
but it's not just some repuke nutjob saying this like you make it out to be..

I did read it and like I said above I do feel the author of it is a drug warrior. The problem for you and your arguement is that Obama did not author it.

unless mamma huff has turned right winger?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-piper/white-house-drug-policy_b_1432309.html

You made such a big deal about how much Obama wants to spend on the drug budget I'm wondering if you caught this tidbit in the Huffington Post article you quoted? "In fact, the Obama drug budget is nearly identical to that of previous presidents."

and norml
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/soci...-releases-2012-national-drug-control-strategy

just us right wing nutjobs right?
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/2012/apr/20/obamas_2012_drug_strategy_same_o

it's not that i hate him so much i can't wait to put him in a bad light..

he just keeps being worse than the worst president EVER!!!!

I don't see how you can substantiate that when everything you post is saying he's exactly the same. Oh wait no, the norml article did credit Obama with dealing with some of the injustices of the previous administrations such as unequal sentancing. So in reality he's actually a little better although that means nothing to you because it's not what you want.

you O bots remind me of battered wives.

the motherfucker laughs in your face,kicks you in the teeth and you say "but he is a good man he just needs another chance"

He didn't laugh in my face or kick me in the teeth nor am I an O bot and the only reason I think he should get another chance is because I think he'll be safer for the country then Romney. Of course you don't want to hear any of that because it doesn't fit in with your assumptions of how things are.

 

[HempKat]

Really?

Obama’s New Drug Control Report Calls for More Workplace Drug Testing, Nationwide Zero Tolerance Laws,Prescription-OnlyEphedrineProducts, and the Return of the “Above the Influence” Campaign

Mike Riggs|April 17, 2012

The first thing you should know about President Barack Obama’s 2012 Drug Control Strategy report is that it begins and ends with the declaration that the war on drugs is working and will continue apace.

Obama administration policies have “yielded significant results,” according to the President’s introductory letter, which concludes by saying, “While difficult budget decisions must bemade at all levels of government, we must ensure continued support for policies and programs that reduce drug use and its enormous costs to American society.”

The report ends with a familiar refrain: “Legalization of drugs will not beconsidered in this approach. Making drugs more available and more accessible will not reducedrug use and itsadverse consequences for publi c health and safety. We will continue to educate young people and all Americans about the science on the harmful health effects of marijuana use.”

The pages in between those two statements contain a broad outline for increased drug enforcement, mandatory rehabilitation programs for people who don’t need or want them, and the return of melodramatic Reefer Madness-style agitprop aimed at teenagers.

The worst policy planscontained in the report are outlined afterthejump.

- The report implicitly blames the debate over drug reform—one Obama recently told Univision he’s more than willing to hear—for increased use of drugs by teens:

One possible influence on this observed trend in drug use and perception of risk is the decreased exposure of youth to prevention messages and the presence of messages and policies that downplay the consequences of drug use. WhiletheAdministration supportsongoing research into determining what components of the marijuanaplantcan beused asmedicine, to date, neither the FDA nor the Institute of Medicine has found the marijuana plantitself to meet the modern standard for safe or effective medicine for any condition. The Administration also recognizesthatlegalizing marijuanawould not provide the answer to any of the health, social, youth education, criminaljustice,and community quality of lifechallengesassociated with drug use.

- The report encourages carte blanche workplace drug testing, on the grounds that it will curtail productivity losses associated with drug use and improve users’ lives. It also describestheObama administration’s attempt to develop on oral test for workplace drug testing:

In addition to the youth programs mentioned previously, as our young people enter the workplace and others remain engaged in workforce, it is important to ensure a drug-free workplace. The consequences of illicitdrug usein America’s workforce include job-related accidents and injuries, absenteeism, health care costs, and lost productivity.

Workplace programs that provide clear policies regarding drug use; offer prevention and education opportunities for employers and supervisors; conduct drug testing to detect and deter use; and support referral and treatment for those who have substance use disorders can play a largerolein reducing the demand for drugs throughout our Nation and in helping drug users get into treatment.

These programs provide employees with the opportunity to self-identify and get help. Often, such programs give employees an opportunity to return to the same job, or a similar job in the same industry, thereby creating an incentiveto succeed in their recoveryand resumea fulfilling career. Consequently, drug-free workplace programs are beneficial for our labor force, employers, families, and communities in general.

In 2011, the Administration committed to funding for the scientific determination for oral fluids testing as a complement to urine testing. HHS published a FederalRegisternoticerequestin gpubliccomment on the scientificbasis for oral fluidtesting . HHS ismoving forward to setstandardsfororalfluidtesting thatwill be published in the future for public comment before they can be finalized in the Mandatory Guidelinesfor Drug Workplace Testing. These Guidelineswillalso beavailableforstateand local jurisdictions to apply as appropriate for the prosecution of drugged driving violations,and to encourage the drug testing industry to develop accurate point-of-collection oralfluidtesting devices.

- The report contains a request to Congress for $20 million to Revamp and Reenergizethe National Youth Anti-Drug Media Campaign, which was defunded by Congress last year because it doesn’t work:

Since 2005, there has been a significant public investment in developing the widely-recognized “AbovetheInfluence” (ATI) brand, a campaign that has been found by independent scientific analyses to be effective, relevantto youth,and instrumental to drug prevention efforts in communities across the country. Unfortunately, despite evidence of its effectiveness, Congress appropriated no funding for the Media Campaign in Fiscal Year(FY) 2012, and the campaign is now operating on a minimal budget composed of its unobligated balancesastheYouth Drug Prevention Media Program.

The report also calls for a nationwide zero tolerance policy for "drugged driving,"which would meanalldriverswould besubjectedto laws that currently affect only commercial drivers:

The Administration encourages statesto pursue enhanced legal responses, suchasper se(or “zero tolerance”) laws. Seventeen states already haveper sestatutes, and additional states should consider adopting these standards. These same standardshavebeenapplied to 12million commercial drivers in the United States for the past two decades. The Administration has developed educational packets for states, providing them with information on the dangers of drugged driving and why per se laws are beneficial.

- The report also says that “Several options are being considered to further reduce methamphetamine production including prescription-only status for pseudoephedrine/ephedrine products.”

The MarijuanaPolicyProject’sRob Kampia hascalled thereport“appalling,” adding, “The drug czar is trying to resurrect those stupid TV ads, like the one where a teenager gets his fist stuck in his mouth. The budget intentionally undercounts the federal government's expenditures on incarcerating drug offenders, who comprise more than half of the federal prison population. And the budget dangerously proposes a massive escalation in using the militaryto fight drugsdomestically.Congressshou ld just ignore this budget and start from scratch. Specifically, Congress should not provide the Obama administration with any money to go after nonviolentmarijuanausers,growers,or distributors."

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition also attacked the report.

"President Obama keeps saying he is open to a discussion but he never seems willing to actually havethatdiscussion,” said LEAP Director Neil Franklin said in a press release. “Polls show that three out of four U.S. voters think the 'war on drugs' is a failure and a majoritynow support marijuanalegalization. Thetime forreal changeisnow, but attheSummitof theAmericas President Obama announced more than $130 million in aid to fundthecontinued effort to arrest drug traffickers in Latin America. This prohibition strategy hasn't worked in the past and it cannot work in the future. Latin American leadersknow it, and President Obama must know it. Let's stop the charade and begin to bring drugs under control through legalization."

Former ONDCP senior advisor Kevin Sabet,meanwhile, isdoing promotion for the report, which he refers to as “Wake Up and Grow Up.” In anticipating criticism of the report, Sabet writes, "The 2012 release is likelyto beattacked by those who are waiting for the day the President will makea U-turn and support legalization—but attackers will unfortunately miss the nuance and striking clarity which characterizes this particular documentand its connection with the first Strategy." Fun fact: Sabet wrote the first strategy!

More Reason on Obama's drug policies, including investments in police violence, the myth that the president's policies are "compassionate" and Jacob Sullum'smust-read featureon how Obama turned out to be just another drug warrior.



He should have gone with the dog eating thing FTW

Okay I quess I need to say it again for the really slow people, that's not Obama's stratagy it's the drug Czar's stratagy and Obama is not the drug Czar. Yeah sure, Obama is accepting it as is but only because he doesn't really care one way or the other and he wants to make sure he gets re-elected. I'd bet my life on it that if he knew he'd win by a landslide and lobbyists would still line his pockets with money, if he took a more pro marijuana stance then he would do so. Obama is just another politician don't let the fact that his skin color is different from any other President before him fool you.

 

[dddaver]

Maybe it's just me, but I really don't think it is, but I find people who argue rather than discuss and use multiple quotes to refute and then post huge walls of text thinking they're making some point while almost always having deviated from the original post, VERY annoying. They also think people read that shit. Thank God for speed scroll. I think it's called hijacking? I really don't mind discussing and opposing views are expected. But arguing to prove something, it loses just because of that.

 

[gingerale]

I'd bet my life on it that if he knew he'd win by a landslide and lobbyists would still line his pockets with money, if he took a more pro marijuana stance then he would do so.

Wow, that's a pretty stupid and naive bet.

 

[sso]

rather surprising, considering the history (or maybe this is because of the history)

but south america has been really starting to shine.

seen alot of light coming from there the last years.

enough to think that in the coming years, one could expect some more good changes happening there.