Now I'm going to answer your questions because they are the same questions I'm sure 7 million ppl in the USA are now asking themselves!!! WTF happened and why am I here and YEAH BRO I SMOKE LOTS OF WEED lol.. The topic is are we going to let our Gov turn us into the USA and start locking people our ppl for cannabis not just cannabis every hard drug like the US . People do not need to be locked up if they have drug problems they need help and our Gov needs to help them end of story and Harpo is a fucking coward and anyone on this board that says different is an asshole..It's health Canada's JOB and our Gov job to look after ppl not lock them up ffs we are not the USA and we don't want to be. If in 2001 they were making $70 thousand off of one inmate you think they are going to give that up ? How many ppl make that much a year now ? Someone somewhere is making cash off of locking ppl up and this is why they do it. I can't help you if you can't see it for what it is bro headband 707
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when will we see the first victim of bill c-10?
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i.love.scotch
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I'm very curious to see how this will be implemented because I heard that in BC at least it may be some time before things are setup to actually be able to handle all these mandatory minimums
None of the new laws are being enforced yet, they will roll out the changes over time,
Tories say they'll 'space out' crime measures after rushing through parliament
by Bruce Cheadle, Canadian Press
OTTAWA - The Conservative government that rushed to pass a massive crime bill by curtailing debate in the House of Commons and Senate now says it will take its time making the new measures a reality on the street.
Prime Minister Stephen Harper's majority easily passed Bill C-10 on Monday evening by a vote of 154-129, sweeping aside a procedural delay by the NDP that stalled the bill's curtain call for five days.
The legislation, which includes nine separate bills, goes briefly back to the Senate and could get royal assent as early as Tuesday — meeting Harper's campaign promise last spring to pass the bill within 100 sitting days of a new parliament.
Working the changes through the justice system will take considerably longer.
"We're going to space out a number of them out," Justice Minister Rob Nicholson said outside the Commons before the final vote Monday.
"I indicated to my provincial colleagues when I met with them about a month ago now that, you know, we'll proclaim them into effect in consultation with them."
Nicholson didn't provide an order of precedence.
The bill increases sentences for drug and sex offences, reduces the use of conditional sentences such as house arrest, provides harsher penalties on young offenders, makes it more difficult to get a pardon, gives crime victims more say in parole hearings and allows victims of terrorism to sue.
Supporters, including victims rights groups and some police organizations, say the bill helps correct a justice system that has swung too far toward the rights of criminals.
Critics have said the changes will do nothing for public safety but will cost literally hundreds of millions of dollars from increased jail populations, much of it bourne by provinces and territories. The changes are also expected to clog the courts as many offenders will opt for trials rather than agreeing to a plea deal for a crime that carries a mandatory minimum sentence.
The government has never even attempted to answer what exactly the justice changes will achieve in terms of the overall crime rate, number of victims, the cost of crime to the community or the incidence of violent crime.
"This sends the message out to people if you get involved with this kind of activity, there will be serious consequences," Nicholson reiterated Monday.
Nor has the government ever provided a credible, detailed costing of the legislation.
Parliament's independent budget office spent six months researching one small aspect of the bill — curtailing the use of conditional sentences — and found it will cost the provinces about $750 million over the next five years, mostly for increased jail time.
New mandatory minimum jail terms for growing as few as six pot plants were internationally panned in an open letter to Harper that pointed out the war on drugs has been a repeated, dismal failure across the globe — fuelling the very violence and organized crime it is supposed to combat.
None of it has slowed the bill's inexorable progress.
This coming weekend marks the deadline Harper set last April when he made his catchy 100-day campaign promise on the crime agenda.
New Democrats used procedural tactics last week to momentarily delay the final vote, spoiling a Conservative communications exercise in Woodbridge, Ont., where several top Tories had flown at taxpayer expense to tout the legislation's expected passage.
Bill C-10 initially cleared the House of Commons in December, but in the government's haste — including time allocation to limit debate — it overlooked some important gaps that had been raised by Liberal MP Irwin Cotler, a former justice minister.
The Senate had to fix the victims of terrorism provisions, and sent the legislation back to the House last week for final approval.
"We're at the end of the road," said NDP justice critics Jack Harris, "but this government has persisted in pursuing a course of action that we heard much evidence is not actually going to reduce crime and not going to make our streets safer and is going in the wrong direction."
Harris noted the NDP supports tougher laws for child predators and the government could have had those new laws on the books months ago if it had agreed to split them off from more contentious elements.
Bob Rae, the interim Liberal leader, called the legislation "a very expensive adventure, a very expensive and frankly unnecessary experiment."
"It's not a real crime prevention strategy," said Rae. "It's a prison promotion strategy, it's an incarceration strategy, that I think will prove to be a very costly mistake for Canada."
Tories say they'll 'space out' crime measures after rushing through parliament
by Bruce Cheadle, Canadian Press
OTTAWA - The Conservative government that rushed to pass a massive crime bill by curtailing debate in the House of Commons and Senate now says it will take its time making the new measures a reality on the street.
Prime Minister Stephen Harper's majority easily passed Bill C-10 on Monday evening by a vote of 154-129, sweeping aside a procedural delay by the NDP that stalled the bill's curtain call for five days.
The legislation, which includes nine separate bills, goes briefly back to the Senate and could get royal assent as early as Tuesday — meeting Harper's campaign promise last spring to pass the bill within 100 sitting days of a new parliament.
Working the changes through the justice system will take considerably longer.
"We're going to space out a number of them out," Justice Minister Rob Nicholson said outside the Commons before the final vote Monday.
"I indicated to my provincial colleagues when I met with them about a month ago now that, you know, we'll proclaim them into effect in consultation with them."
Nicholson didn't provide an order of precedence.
The bill increases sentences for drug and sex offences, reduces the use of conditional sentences such as house arrest, provides harsher penalties on young offenders, makes it more difficult to get a pardon, gives crime victims more say in parole hearings and allows victims of terrorism to sue.
Supporters, including victims rights groups and some police organizations, say the bill helps correct a justice system that has swung too far toward the rights of criminals.
Critics have said the changes will do nothing for public safety but will cost literally hundreds of millions of dollars from increased jail populations, much of it bourne by provinces and territories. The changes are also expected to clog the courts as many offenders will opt for trials rather than agreeing to a plea deal for a crime that carries a mandatory minimum sentence.
The government has never even attempted to answer what exactly the justice changes will achieve in terms of the overall crime rate, number of victims, the cost of crime to the community or the incidence of violent crime.
"This sends the message out to people if you get involved with this kind of activity, there will be serious consequences," Nicholson reiterated Monday.
Nor has the government ever provided a credible, detailed costing of the legislation.
Parliament's independent budget office spent six months researching one small aspect of the bill — curtailing the use of conditional sentences — and found it will cost the provinces about $750 million over the next five years, mostly for increased jail time.
New mandatory minimum jail terms for growing as few as six pot plants were internationally panned in an open letter to Harper that pointed out the war on drugs has been a repeated, dismal failure across the globe — fuelling the very violence and organized crime it is supposed to combat.
None of it has slowed the bill's inexorable progress.
This coming weekend marks the deadline Harper set last April when he made his catchy 100-day campaign promise on the crime agenda.
New Democrats used procedural tactics last week to momentarily delay the final vote, spoiling a Conservative communications exercise in Woodbridge, Ont., where several top Tories had flown at taxpayer expense to tout the legislation's expected passage.
Bill C-10 initially cleared the House of Commons in December, but in the government's haste — including time allocation to limit debate — it overlooked some important gaps that had been raised by Liberal MP Irwin Cotler, a former justice minister.
The Senate had to fix the victims of terrorism provisions, and sent the legislation back to the House last week for final approval.
"We're at the end of the road," said NDP justice critics Jack Harris, "but this government has persisted in pursuing a course of action that we heard much evidence is not actually going to reduce crime and not going to make our streets safer and is going in the wrong direction."
Harris noted the NDP supports tougher laws for child predators and the government could have had those new laws on the books months ago if it had agreed to split them off from more contentious elements.
Bob Rae, the interim Liberal leader, called the legislation "a very expensive adventure, a very expensive and frankly unnecessary experiment."
"It's not a real crime prevention strategy," said Rae. "It's a prison promotion strategy, it's an incarceration strategy, that I think will prove to be a very costly mistake for Canada."
If you get busted now,by the time you get to court,C-10 will probably be enforce.
So don't take any comfort in that you are safe at the moment.
Guaranteed 6 months for over 5 plants!
-6 little sprouts in in a 4" pot?
-Someone dying of cancer??
It must really suck to be a judge and not to be able to "judge based on the circumstances".
This bullshit,third world...Throw them all in the same bucket law enforcement,makes it hard to be a "Proud Canadian" !!!
So don't take any comfort in that you are safe at the moment.
Guaranteed 6 months for over 5 plants!
-6 little sprouts in in a 4" pot?
-Someone dying of cancer??
It must really suck to be a judge and not to be able to "judge based on the circumstances".
This bullshit,third world...Throw them all in the same bucket law enforcement,makes it hard to be a "Proud Canadian" !!!
The mandatory minimums are most likely unconstitutional. A law professor at Queens University recently came out and said this.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...ial/article2403185/singlepage/#articlecontent
The first people facing these charges should challenge it based on our charter rights.
Also May 7th and 8th the Supreme Court rule if prohibition is constitutional.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...ial/article2403185/singlepage/#articlecontent
The first people facing these charges should challenge it based on our charter rights.
Also May 7th and 8th the Supreme Court rule if prohibition is constitutional.
captianchronic
New member
You will see soon when the prisons become privatized. And you don't really think they spend that money on the inmate do you? I am disabled and not a criminal and i don't even see close to that on provincial disability. Harper and his cons like to make money off of slaves and who better to make slaves of than his arch nemesis the people of our cannabis culture.
well FUCK a good friend recently got caught with 500+ in a rental so we are gonna hear what the crown has to say about this "kingpin" shit soon
