advise on a new set up

[bobblehead]

looks like the real one, i havent had the problem yet but i do use alot of cal mag in veg, personaly in my experiance the sister out yielded the c4.

i know there is 2 cuts of the chem d that were spread, one has the mosaic and the other one doesent, both are the real deal.

Joesy is right about that... Cause while my ChemD is hard to root and a cal/mag whore as previously described... she doesn't appear to have TMV. My source said that his chemD just didn't have the virus... There was lots of doubts about it being the real D b/c of a big confusion with many growers who were actually growing the sister. Another friend of mine is monocropping the sister, and as soon as I saw his sisters, I said "I definitely have the D."

HGO, I've seen a few pics of your D, and it's the real deal. It looks just like mine, except yours has TMV. Mine just shows cal/mag deficiencies when it's not fed right.

 

[Hundred Gram Oz]

Joesy is right about that... Cause while my ChemD is hard to root and a cal/mag whore as previously described... she doesn't appear to have TMV. My source said that his chemD just didn't have the virus... There was lots of doubts about it being the real D b/c of a big confusion with many growers who were actually growing the sister. Another friend of mine is monocropping the sister, and as soon as I saw his sisters, I said "I definitely have the D."

HGO, I've seen a few pics of your D, and it's the real deal. It looks just like mine, except yours has TMV. Mine just shows cal/mag deficiencies when it's not fed right.

That's great news man, thanks for that. You know I've been doing a lot of thinking on the Chem D and TMV situation. I've seen people get her tested and she has come up negative twice from what I've seen.

I'm really starting to think that it is a genetic trait, I think that she has problems creating and maintaining chlorophyll when under fed. I think this because the chlorophyll atom is mainly made up of magnesium and when Chem D is well fed with Mg she shows near zero signs of the chlorosis this leads me to believe that it isn't a virus at all and just a problem that she has creating and maintaining chlorophyll. It seems to add up and as of yet we have zero proof of her having the virus, what do you think?

 

[bobblehead]

That's great news man, thanks for that. You know I've been doing a lot of thinking on the Chem D and TMV situation. I've seen people get her tested and she has come up negative twice from what I've seen.

I'm really starting to think that it is a genetic trait, I think that she has problems creating and maintaining chlorophyll when under fed. I think this because the chlorophyll atom is mainly made up of magnesium and when Chem D is well fed with Mg she shows near zero signs of the chlorosis this leads me to believe that it isn't a virus at all and just a problem that she has creating and maintaining chlorophyll. It seems to add up and as of yet we have zero proof of her having the virus, what do you think?

I think that there are 2 different Chem D clones running around... Once a plant has TMV, it's part of it's DNA. That will be replicated in every clone taken from that plant. Some dirty fucker was smoking his nasty cigs around his plants, and spread the clone around with the virus... Someone else spread a clean cut. That's my opinion. My ChemD is a finicky bitch, but she doesn't show deep vein chlorosis like you have pictured. For months I've looked at different Chem sister, D, 4, and 91 pics... I've seen the 91 and the sister in person, and I'm confident mine is the D. I've grown it 3 different times now.

So, the real question.... does that make my clone better than your clone? ha ha...

 

[bobblehead]

Transmission

Tobacco mosaic virus is transmitted mechanically by any means that results in the virus coming in contact with injured cells of a host plant. The primary mechanism for this is contaminated worker's hands or equipment that comes into contact with a healthy plant. Contaminated hands can be freed of the virus by washing with a detergent. The virus can be inactivated on equipment by scrubbing it with a brush using detergent or by steaming. Although the virus is transmitted primarily on worker's hands and equipment, anything that mechanically moves the virus from a source to a healthy plant can transmit it. Chewing insects, such as flea beetles and grasshoppers, are capable of transmitting the virus, but such transmission is very rare in nature. Seed may be infested with the virus, but seed transmission has not been proven.

http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/pp/notes/oldnotes/tb1.htm


and if the seed was infested... the whole chem family would have TMV. BAM!

 

[Grizz]

bobble thats the story i read here on ic a year or so back, one cut was from chem himself and one from the other dude that chem sent the origanal seeds back to and he found the D, so chemdawg got the cut from him , not sure who infected it though, i know the one i have came from chemdawg to a certain well known grower here at IC and from his hands to a friend of mine and to me.

 

[Hundred Gram Oz]

Yeah maybe it is the virus then, that story would make sense. I found this thread that I never knew exsisted, https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=177527 I haven't read it all yet.

Joesy, I remember Crazy Composer said that when Chemdog give him the Chem D, Chemdog told him that it had TMV.

So how infectious is the mosiac?

HGO

 

[Grizz]

I really dont know HGO, as dhf said it really doesent seem to slow it down or have adverse effects , im no expert on it but i really wonder if it is tmv, like dhf said also it seems a cal mag dose usally seems to clear it up, a few years ago i had another cut i ran ( lol i cant remember its name ) that showed alot of tmv sighns and again i hit it with a big shot of cal mag and it looked perfect in 3 or 4 days, makes me wonder if all the tmv talk isent just nutriant problems, as we all know every strain has its own needs.

 

[Grizz]

check this out on chaco's chem d thead. last pagehttps://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=192040&page=33

 

[Hundred Gram Oz]

I really dont know HGO, as dhf said it really doesent seem to slow it down or have adverse effects , im no expert on it but i really wonder if it is tmv, like dhf said also it seems a cal mag dose usally seems to clear it up, a few years ago i had another cut i ran ( lol i cant remember its name ) that showed alot of tmv sighns and again i hit it with a big shot of cal mag and it looked perfect in 3 or 4 days, makes me wonder if all the tmv talk isent just nutriant problems, as we all know every strain has its own needs.

Yeah Joesy it doesn't seem to affect her in a negative way accept for the chlorosis but that is no problem. I'm unsure WTF it is, I was thinking that it is a chlorophyll issue because magnesium is the main element in chlorophyll at an atomic level. I'm not expert either, just trying to figure it out but I'll not pollute your thread any longer with all this bro.

Keep it dank my friend
HGO

 

[Hundred Gram Oz]

I said I wouldn't post anymore in your thead but that was before I seen your link Here's some information about variegation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variegation

 

[Grizz]

brother dont even sweat it about the thread deal, info is info, if i can learn something bring it on.

 

[Grizz]

update, the fool tubes are gone, ac is gone, dehumidifer is gone, co2 is gone, added, 1 3000 cfm swamp cooler plugged into sentinal temp controller, 3 8in exaust fans , 3 fans under each light, lung room, temps are staying at 79 degree for a high with swamp cooler coming on for about 30 minutes a day, co2 ppms averaging 390 to 420 ppm.

yeah i hate to admit it but that old fart DHF knows his shit, really hard to belive my room runs cooler without the fool tubes and ac but its true..

 

[Hundred Gram Oz]

Nice work Joesy, glad the air exchange has worked out for ya. What ya growing anyhow?

HGO

 

[187020]

Sounds killer homie...Lotsa air exchange is like steroids for the girls! Peace. (oh I'm on the sister crew, I'd like to try D tho)

 

[Grizz]

Nice work Joesy, glad the air exchange has worked out for ya. What ya growing anyhow?

HGO

pretty much the same stuff i started with, chem sister, chem d, grape rom, new strains added are sharons white widow, lavender, bloody mary, dubb tech 7, king louie 8 og kush, twisted purple og by candy man. also have some seed stock i made a few years ago, pink diesel ( stinkey pinky x diesel ) x sfv og. also still have the sour dubble but having huge problems with her so she is on a back burner till i get her right. shit i forgot also the lvpk and socal master kush, next chop is in 10 days, 4 chem sister, 1 lavender, 1 lvpk, 1 chem d x sour bubble, ( not impressed ) 1 grom

 

[Hundred Gram Oz]

Nice list bro, I'm running a crap load of strains as well. How ya like that King Louie 8 OGK? I recently just added, Triangle Kush, Bruce Banner #3, The White (glad to have her back), & SFV OGK. I'm looking forward to TK for sure, I might run 2 per pot because they aren't good yielders but grade A smoke.

 

[Grizz]

just got the king louie hgo, she still vegging to get big enough to get cuts off of. also forgot to mention one i have in flower, its a ****** seeds kush, not sure what but it is the small leaf varity , fast vegger and looks like its going to yield like the grape rom.

 

[DHF]

update, the fool tubes are gone, ac is gone, dehumidifer is gone, co2 is gone, added, 1 3000 cfm swamp cooler plugged into sentinal temp controller, 3 8in exaust fans , 3 fans under each light, lung room, temps are staying at 79 degree for a high with swamp cooler coming on for about 30 minutes a day, co2 ppms averaging 390 to 420 ppm.

yeah i hate to admit it but that old fart DHF knows his shit, really hard to belive my room runs cooler without the fool tubes and ac but its true..

LMFAO....Just another old fart gettin past stubborn ass ways that were beat into your head about the way and what it took ta grow AAA top shelf shit over the yrs....couldn`t happen to a nicer guy.......and...

Oh Ye of little faith....Never told ANYONE somethin that didn`t work for me from time tested and proven as fact , but to have an old fart admit it and testify is money.....especially when it`s 1 of the good one`s like you ....anyways....

Handle it Bro.....Freds........

 

[Grizz]

hey i have no problem admiting your right, its admitting im wrong i have a problem with.

 

[DHF]

Like I said , LMFAO...in a nice way.........

Good luck my buddy...Freds.........