Racist cops protect racist zimmerman

[HempKat]

id also still love to hear why people get offended at the mention of racism as a catalyst in the event

what has the accusation of racist against others cost you in your life time that you can't stand to bear it relevant or not?

Perhaps it is your own mind that is closed? You seemed to have decided that anyone objecting to the use of the term racist here is offended by it. Perhaps few if any here are offended by the accusation of Zimmerman being racist? I can't speak for others on this though just myself. I'm not offend by the term racist being applied to Zimmerman but I do think it clouds the issue unnecessarily and may ultimately allow what I feel is the real issue to go unaddressed. That issue being someone not fit to carry a gun in public and make intelligent decisions on when and where to use it, yet they still have the right to carry and ultimately they made a piss poor choice on when and where to use the gun.

 

[187020]

 

[HempKat]

This guy was arrested for assault on a police officer. He has some considerable baggage, not to mention obsession with shit he knows too little to act on, not to mention taking the wrong actions.

WTF? He has a criminal record of violent crime and the right to carry a firearm? This makes me just wish the race card was being played even less. The system is seriously broken if people guilty of violent crimes can and do have the right to not only own a handgun but to carry it in public.

 

[HempKat]

The only reason you're suggesting politicization is you can't manage a defense for the nut bag.

I think you're wrong, I think Dag is suggesting such because he enjoys getting you into a debate and he knows such a suggestion will get him the result he wants. Which so far appears to be true.

 

[HempKat]

no i never defended the "nutbag"

the politicization is the incessant need to tie it to your narrative...
be it SYG or gun control it is YOUR agenda not treyvon's.

my point in this thread was about presumption of guilt and burden of proof.

YOU continue to wax political over the still warm corpse of a young man most likely murdered by a whackjob with an itch to scratch...

Still warm corpse? You do know he was shot a month ago right?

 

[rives]

WTF? He has a criminal record of violent crime and the right to carry a firearm? This makes me just wish the race card was being played even less. The system is seriously broken if people guilty of violent crimes can and do have the right to not only own a handgun but to carry it in public.

I don't know anything about his record, but he must not have been convicted of anything serious. You have to be fingerprinted and pass a DOJ background check to get a ccw.

 

[HempKat]

I don't know anything about his record, but he must not have been convicted of anything serious. You have to be fingerprinted and pass a DOJ background check to get a ccw.

Yeah that's what I always thought but Disco said he was arrested for assaulting a cop. Assaulting or shooting cops are usually thought of as being more serious then similar crimes commited by one civilian against another. The thought being that if you're willing to do that to a cop then you'll do even worse to civilians.

Of course arrest doesn't mean conviction so I would be inclined to assume the case got thrown out on a technicality or that the charges were dropped before ever making it to a courtroom. Still I know for a fact that most authorities can pull up arrest records as well as conviction records and I would like to think that an agency charged with evaluating one's worthiness to carry a gun in public would see such an arrest as a red flag and deny the application to carry.

 

[rives]

I understand where you are coming from but.... for example, my brother was once stopped by a CHP that knew him. When asked for his license, he gave him his fake ID by mistake. When the cop says "this isn't you", my brother couldn't believe it and reached over and took the license out of his hand to look at it. That wound up being charged as "resisting a senior officer".

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

I believe that Zimmerman got in trouble for pushing a sheriff. I suspect his photo we see was from his being booked in that incident.

 

[serious6]

WEIRD stated in post 285 or there-a-bouts that FACT; a narcotics officer called it self defence.

this is what i have stated all along; there is a "hidden agenda" here! why narcotics officer if no drugs involved? drug sales run rampant in these areas. why not something else as TM did attack Z? Z was following TM and then was attacked by him, shot in self defense anyway he could. up to that point Z was acting correctly as citizens patrol do.

or is it different in the usa for watch people to be "the eyes and ears" like up here in canada. i know as i am one, i carry a baton being military trained in its use.

i have a cell phone and run the senerio to popo as i follow, nearing TM's home, i could see popo saying stop and watch. but then TM attacked by running at Z and punching; i sure as hell would use my baton at that point and accidentally drive his nose up into his brain. same thing as with a gun - bang!

get off the greiving parents who only see their son or daughter as ANGELS. easy to call the racist card and anything else while in mourning. i have seen serial rapist mothers testifying that the son was "a good boy". believe what you want as im 5,000 miles away and giving only my opinion to what i have seen on the news and CNN online.

 

[headband 707]

Yeah, it's definitely not the media trying to spoon feed you some drama

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WOW if this post don't sound like the GOOD OLE BOY SHOOTIN BLACK KIDS I don't know what does!!! get rid of your fucking guns if this is the shit your going to post cause I got some HARD CORE pics for you too ffs ppl get a grip,,,, Until you know a person stop trying to walk a mile in their shoes!!! just a suggestionheadband 707
As far as media ,,well we all know about media and how it look at cannabis and Obummer lol no one need say more about media....

 

[dagnabit]

Still warm corpse? You do know he was shot a month ago right?

Its a figure of speech...
Corpses go good quite quick.

So what period of time is acceptable before capitalizing on a tragic death?
1 month?


No I dont think we should be debating gun control or SYG because of this tragedy.

 

[Luv-U-Long-Time]

WOW if this post don't sound like the GOOD OLE BOY SHOOTIN BLACK KIDS I don't know what does!!! get rid of your fucking guns if this is the shit your going to post cause I got some HARD CORE pics for you too ffs ppl get a grip,,,, Until you know a person stop trying to walk a mile in their shoes!!! just a suggestionheadband 707
As far as media ,,well we all know about media and how it look at cannabis and Obummer lol no one need say more about media....

And yet we have people who claim they KNOW what the motive for this crime,if there was one committed,in this very thread...lol

Seems the point went completely over your head.
Walk a mile in someones shoes you say?

Good advice for all the crystal ball readers in this thread.

 

[Weird]

so anyone who is not 100% sure that this should be charged as a hate crime is a racist?

no but when a thread called racist cops protect racists zimmerman is posted and people say hey dont label zimmerman a racist and they get upset at the prospect and i simply asked why
and asked for logical reasons other than the obvisou that it offends those who are racist

the subsequent results to that statement were what led is here

notice i never once call the cops being racist as well or called zimmerman a racist

i said that racism is likely a catalyst to his actions because he did not have any observable cause and effect to back up his claim that the boy was suspicious other than observable skin color and a hoodie

like i said in other posts if in zimmermans mind this kid could be a "neighbors" kid he would not have cast the same suspicion upon him

one again NO ONE has acknowledge that potential scenario

the people i called racist are the ones who get upset at the prospect of him being called racist and yet cant tell me why it offends them, what does the prospect of zimmerman being racist mean to anyone who isn't a part of the case? still have yet to hear an answer other that. what's the cost to anyone here if it is racially motivated?

why would that offend anyone's sensibilities ?

or anyone who still thinks that all the facts are not on the table so we can't make some sort of judgement on this is a racist ? or people who don't agree with you 100% are racist?

no what im saying is making a racially sensitive case a pundit for everyone deserves a fair trial in light of the circumstances on an international canna board is classless and think it no different than arguing in the defense of someone accused rapist who somehow is protected by the law

what makes people racist is the objection that racism is real and occurs on ANY level

you dont have to be part of the kkk to have race figure into an situation where it becomes an element in decision making

this is why racism still exist in America .. its called denial

cops use it in profiling, it exist it marginalizes people, minorities an pots heads alike

i remember when the hate crimes laws first started making the news. there was a comedian who pointed out that murder is never a "love" crime so the laws where kind of stupid ..... and i agree

if person A commits a violent act against person B person A should be prosecuted, i don't think anyone is arguing with that, but if we question how to go about it we are racists?

go back and look at when people came into the thread, the initial message they came to share and the direction it went into

that is all the evidence you will need to see the cause and effect behind many of the contributions in this thread

im ok with my reasoning and i have no hidden agenda

racism is unacceptable

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his is a really bad pun for this situation but ......... why are things so black and white when it comes to situations like this? accusing someone you don't know of being racist is a pretty bold step, especially when you know you don't have every piece of information and i doubt zimmerman is an IC member so there is a 100% chance your bitching at the wrong guy.

well im a bold mother fucker who does not hide when matters of principle are put before me

nothing is 2 dimensional there are multiple dimensions

put the factors into proper arrays and use some algebraic deduction and you can narrow the envelope which encompasses the truth

lol even dagnabit calls the dudes actions deplorable but he spent a lot of time arguing for int he end as he puts it his right for a fair trial

i love the how people come politically correct as a matter of convince

you do have a point, but what you are swinging like a sword is more like a dull crayon trying to paint a simple picture in a complicated situation.

why do i owe it to the community to enlighten them gracefully?

or does the community owe itself a little more self respect than to play devils advocate or troll in an issue so racially charged or an audience so racially diverse?

racism is schism and if you are racist or biased its best kept in closed real life circles and not spilled out into a international pot board

and if i really have a point which i know i do because many of my open questions remain unanswered why is there resistance to understanding it?

why did you take offense opposed to defense??

what makes the prospect of the confrontation more alluring than then the potential realizations behind the news event itself?

what motivated you to critique my deilvery over the context of the point i made?

25 pages in someone is going to have an epiphany what they are really arguing anyway?

i know what moral stand i am taking here and now

it has not shifted it has not waived it has not changed

most of the people who took an augmentative stance against me such as yourself are doing so because you felt ??

what .... offended?

i dont get offended by anything myself unless it rings a chord of truth within my being

so tell me again what is your argument and stand?

who and what are you really defending?

do you see how insidious racism (bias of any sort) really is

they take your focus off the "point" made and put it right on the "person" who made it

 

[MostHigh]

The opinion that Zimmerman is racist is nullified by his multi-ethnic neighbors.

The opinion that Zimmerman committed a hate crime is nullified by the fact that hating criminals and wrongfully profiling a person as criminal...is not a crime. (really, that one is a hot potato that the DoJ is going to drop in short order)

What happened that evening is, in a word...horrible. However, without every shred of evidence and facts in hand...people have got to turn off their rash to judgment and begin reserving a conclusion until they have more information.

As of now, the only label that can be placed on Zimmerman is...tragic error in judgment.

So, lets not do as Zimmerman...lets wait and see where it goes before we determine a course of action of our thoughts and opinion. For clearly...had Zimmerman waited, had he reserved judgment of the figure he mistakenly profiled as a crime about to happen...the Martin's son and Zimmerman himself, would be unknown to us.

 

[Weird]

The opinion that Zimmerman is racist is nullified by his multi-ethnic neighbors.

The opinion that Zimmerman committed a hate crime is nullified by the fact that hating criminals and wrongfully profiling a person as criminal...is not a crime. (really, that one is a hot potato that the DoJ is going to drop in short order)

What happened that evening is, in a word...horrible. However, without every shred of evidence and facts in hand...people have got to turn off their rash to judgment and begin reserving a conclusion until they have more information.

As of now, the only label that can be placed on Zimmerman is...tragic error in judgment.

So, lets not do as Zimmerman...lets wait and see where it goes before we determine a course of action of our thoughts and opinion. For clearly...had Zimmerman waited, had he reserved judgment of the figure he mistakenly profiled as a crime about to happen...the Martin's son and Zimmerman himself, would be unknown to us.

its a thread about racist cops covering up for a racist person

hard to avoid the discussion of racism

the issue is that the word racist conjures the notion of someone who is constantly consumed by hate

he doesn't have to be a racist to let racism figure into his line of thinking

why did he deem treyvon a criminal?

why did he deem him suspicious?

what factor was it, because it wasn't the presence of criminal activity?

why didn't the cops use due diligence?

why was it so easy to accept that the kid who lay there dead had someone had contributed to his own death by illegal activity?

i haven't contributed to the questioning the potential racist motivation

does it seem plausible in my white mind to see white people assume a black guy is a criminal before and after hes dead when he was really an innocent?

Yeah i do and this is the tangible racism here that exists in people minds and thoughts here

zimmerman was looking for someone to shoot and the first person he could convince himself was criminal (inhuman) enough to murder he did

if it had been a black guy shooting a white kid and black cops investigating it my sentiment would be the same

indifference and apathy are products of racism as well as outright hate and violence

whole lot of compassion and understanding for zimmerman

for the black kid .. not so much

now be real people to those of you who have posted in this thread

what race are you?

white?

black?

or human?

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

^this is a very good post and insightful post

 

[MostHigh]

Racism and profiling...do not go hand in hand. Conflating the two...is one of the errors people are making in this matter.

Lets be clear...racism...is the thought and belief that one's ethnicity or race, is superior.
Profiling...is taking a set of cues, and determining what sort of demographic a person most likely belongs to. ie, look, sound and act like a Jeff Spicoli...you're likely to be profiled as a pot smoking shit for brains surfer.

Filling the space between racism and profiling is...stereotyping. Which is what Zimmerman used to reach his mistaken conclusion about the person he was observing.
We all...everyone of us...stereotype as a profile the people around us. Usually, we do it with incomplete information at hand. Is the guy in the car next to you at the traffic light a chronic nose picker...or did something irritating get into his nose the moment before you looked his way?

Zimmerman...with a mindful of recent burglaries in his neighborhood...saw an individual he did not recognize. He immediately became suspicious, then confined the individual to having to be criminal as, what other reason would a stranger be lurking about the place. That, was a massive error, one which, put him on a path that he fully committed to. Based, not on race...but stereotype.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

WEIRD stated in post 285 or there-a-bouts that FACT; a narcotics officer called it self defence.

this is what i have stated all along; there is a "hidden agenda" here! why narcotics officer if no drugs involved? drug sales run rampant in these areas. why not something else as TM did attack Z? Z was following TM and then was attacked by him, shot in self defense anyway he could. up to that point Z was acting correctly as citizens patrol do.

or is it different in the usa for watch people to be "the eyes and ears" like up here in canada. i know as i am one, i carry a baton being military trained in its use.

i have a cell phone and run the senerio to popo as i follow, nearing TM's home, i could see popo saying stop and watch. but then TM attacked by running at Z and punching; i sure as hell would use my baton at that point and accidentally drive his nose up into his brain. same thing as with a gun - bang!

get off the greiving parents who only see their son or daughter as ANGELS. easy to call the racist card and anything else while in mourning. i have seen serial rapist mothers testifying that the son was "a good boy". believe what you want as im 5,000 miles away and giving only my opinion to what i have seen on the news and CNN online.

If you want be effective neighborhood watch and deter crime. keep the shotgun on your back the baton in your hand and a big dog by your side. wear a hat that identifies you as neighborhood watch.

When people see that walking around on the reg there is no crime in that neighborhood.

If TM would have know the guys was just a watch captain he would not have been scared. he would have had the chance to explain himself.

See TM thought Zimmerman was just a crazy guy doing who knows what. Of course he ran

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

Racism and profiling...do not go hand in hand. Conflating the two...is one of the errors people are making in this matter.

Lets be clear...racism...is the thought and belief that one's ethnicity or race, is superior.
Profiling...is taking a set of cues, and determining what sort of demographic a person most likely belongs to. ie, look, sound and act like a Jeff Spicoli...you're likely to be profiled as a pot smoking shit for brains surfer.

Filling the space between racism and profiling is...stereotyping. Which is what Zimmerman used to reach his mistaken conclusion about the person he was observing.
We all...everyone of us...stereotype as a profile the people around us. Usually, we do it with incomplete information at hand. Is the guy in the car next to you at the traffic light a chronic nose picker...or did something irritating get into his nose the moment before you looked his way?

Zimmerman...with a mindful of recent burglaries in his neighborhood...saw an individual he did not recognize. He immediately became suspicious, then confined the individual to having to be criminal as, what other reason would a stranger be lurking about the place. That, was a massive error, one which, put him on a path that he fully committed to. Based, not on race...but stereotype.

this is a good point that would make total sense if Zimmerman didnt call him a coon 2 minutes prior.