First time coco hempy problems

[painroad]

Trying coco hempys for my time, I'm having some kind of problems. Anybody know what this is? Please look at pics below and tell me what you think.
Room conditions and set up


-Growlabs tent

-1k hps with cool hood

-2.5 gal hempy with 2" rez, perlite just above the hole rest filled with Gold label coco. I did not rinse this coco, The guy i got it from which grows as well. He said he never rinses and said don't bother, i would normally never follow advise from anybody at the hydro shops, but this is a dude i went to school with so i figured it was cool.

-Temps and RH 74/38
-RO water with GH nutes, 1/4 strength i added 10ml/5gals using all 3
-PH 5.9-6.15
-PPMS 600-640

One thing i did was use tap (300 PPM) with like 5ml/5gals of just micro and bloom and soaked the coco up pretty good and had run off before i added the cutz. Then i used the RO with all 3 nutes and water daily only using about 5-8 OZ
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[painroad]

Bump!

 

[dansbuds]

They look like they may be over watered . how much are you feeding everyday ? till runoff or just enough to feed the plant ? like 4 or 5 oz of water is plenty till the roots hit the rez . how long have they been in the bucket ? how good was the root structure when you put them in ? i'm thinkin let it dry out a bit . just till you see some of the coco on top turn tan like its drying before you feed again .

 

[dansbuds]

also ... read this .....https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=55683

you don't need the grow from GH , micro & bloom @ 6/9 & a little ES is all you need
His formula is meant for coco only & it works fantastic !!

 

[Jbonez]

your humidity is good, but your temps at 74f arent not optimum for max transpiration, basically your not giving them a reason to use the water your giving them...

get those temps around 78f and you will see some improvements.

 

[painroad]

They look like they may be over watered . how much are you feeding everyday ? till runoff or just enough to feed the plant ? like 4 or 5 oz of water is plenty till the roots hit the rez . how long have they been in the bucket ? how good was the root structure when you put them in ? i'm thinkin let it dry out a bit . just till you see some of the coco on top turn tan like its drying before you feed again .

The clones came rooted from blue sky, they come in a 6 pack so i have to pull them apart. I started them last Friday, only a few look to be growing. I really don't think it's over watering, but i will let them dry out and see. I was giving just 4-6 oz of water, but right before i started this thread i doubled the amount thinking i wasn't giving them enough.

I thought it was very hard to over water coco? The leafs look like they got burnt, and it's not all of them. A few look to be moving along, so it's kinda strange being that i'm feeding them all the same nutes. I didn't water them last night so hopefully they dry up a little.
You said epsom salts? Is that different then cal-mag? I have some cal-mag laying around.
Thanks for looking out!!

 

[dansbuds]

The clones came rooted from blue sky, they come in a 6 pack so i have to pull them apart. I started them last Friday, only a few look to be growing. I really don't think it's over watering, but i will let them dry out and see. I was giving just 4-6 oz of water, but right before i started this thread i doubled the amount thinking i wasn't giving them enough.

I thought it was very hard to over water coco? The leafs look like they got burnt, and it's not all of them. A few look to be moving along, so it's kinda strange being that i'm feeding them all the same nutes. I didn't water them last night so hopefully they dry up a little.
You said epsom salts? Is that different then cal-mag? I have some cal-mag laying around.
Thanks for looking ou

I'd say .... keep going as you are . but i would read that thread i linked for you . its a coco feeding formula & you can't go wrong with it . it uses epsom salts cuz the nutes have enough calcium in them but not magnesium .
i'm willing to bet that if you use the heads formula & give them a few days for the roots to expand ....that things will turn around for you .

coco has to be treated like a soil till the roots expand & hit the rez where they feed . you can overwater in this situation cuz the roots need a little dry time .... it makes them stretch out looking for water .... if they have enough water they won't stretch enough & if they have to much water they can suffiucate & die . once the roots hit the rez where they can drink all they want ..... thats when you start feeding to runoff & sit back & watch them take off

 

[wspman]

Do you use Cal/mag? It is needed in coco with RO water.



wsp

 

[dansbuds]

Do you use Cal/mag? It is needed in coco with RO water.

If using the Heads recipe , you don't need calmag in daily feedings ... theres enough from the nutes except magnesium which is why the added epsom salts .
but yes its a good idea to charge the coco with calmag because of the cation differences in coco . you add calmag to your coco before using so the ecsess pottasium doesn't become a problem .

 

[painroad]

I'd say .... keep going as you are . but i would read that thread i linked for you . its a coco feeding formula & you can't go wrong with it . it uses epsom salts cuz the nutes have enough calcium in them but not magnesium .
i'm willing to bet that if you use the heads formula & give them a few days for the roots to expand ....that things will turn around for you .

coco has to be treated like a soil till the roots expand & hit the rez where they feed . you can overwater in this situation cuz the roots need a little dry time .... it makes them stretch out looking for water .... if they have enough water they won't stretch enough & if they have to much water they can suffiucate & die . once the roots hit the rez where they can drink all they want ..... thats when you start feeding to runoff & sit back & watch them take off

OK i will read it this weekend, i'm gonna stop at walmart and get 18gal tot, and mix up a batch tonight. Can i get the epsom salts there? i read the first page and he said to feed 1g per gal. is there a way to measure grams like 7 grams tsp? What about the pro-tek should i not be using that?

 

[dansbuds]

OK i will read it this weekend, i'm gonna stop at walmart and get 18gal tot, and mix up a batch tonight. Can i get the epsom salts there? i read the first page and he said to feed 1g per gal. is there a way to measure grams like 7 grams tsp? What about the pro-tek should i not be using that?

Yeah , you can get it in the pharmacy dept. do you have a digital scale ? i just put a small container on the scale ... zero it out & add the epsom to desired amount . or yes its 7 grams per teaspoon ....oh hell yeah on the protekt ... i love the stuff 3ml per gallon from start to finish .

 

[Capt.Ahab]

Walmart should have the epsom salts in the medical section.

ETA: Oops. dansbuds beat me to it.

 

[dansbuds]

For charging the coco ... i use 1ml of micro, 3 ml of bloom, 3 ml of protekt & 3ml of calmag & i use 1/4 tsp of great white for the roots .all per gallon

 

[painroad]

For charging the coco ... i use 1ml of micro, 3 ml of bloom, 3 ml of protekt & 3ml of calmag & i use 1/4 tsp of great white for the roots .all per gallon

Ya shiz, i wish i would of asked these questions before i started. I used 3ml of micro, grow, bloom,pro-tekt to charge it. You ever heard of Gold Label coco?

 

[dansbuds]

Ya shiz, i wish i would of asked these questions before i started. I used 3ml of micro, grow, bloom,pro-tekt to charge it. You ever heard of Gold Label coco?

nope .... sorry

 

[painroad]

Ok so i didn't water for about 3 days, then i mixed a batch of nutes 6/9 with epsom salts and 3ml of protekt. The plants are about 10 days in veg and only a few seem to be growing. Even the ones that are somewhat growing are really light green. I'm wondering once i have over watered which it seems like i did, will they recover? Usually by day 10 i'm flipping to flower. I checked the run off and it read 6.5 and ppm of 940, when i watered it was 6.1ph and 990 ppms. Is there anything i can do?

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[dansbuds]

nahhhh . just give them a few days , i'm sure they'll pick up .

 

[painroad]

nahhhh . just give them a few days , i'm sure they'll pick up .

So about 4 out 12 seem to be moving along, a few have leaf tip curling downwards, also almost all have purple stems... do you think i have a lockout going on? Should i flush?

 

[ChaChaChiba]

I'm using Jack Classics with Roots organic and seems to work well; Epsom is also in the grocers, really easy to find all over.

 

[dansbuds]

Painroad , i'm finding in my veg garden that even under the 250 watt MH light , that the 6/9 seems a litle strong for some strains . i have 3 different strains in veg & 2 of them are doing fine but the 3rd one is throwing a fit cuz of the nute strength . single & 3 blade leaves & slow growing . so i've decided to cut my veg feed strength to 3/4.5

maybe a plain water flush then feed at 3/4.5 would be a good thing for you to try also . 6/9 should work in veg if the lights are stronger than 400 watts but the weeker lighting i'm cutting the feed in half . i'm thinking this should work for both of us . good luck bro