Bubba Kush issues

[bckindgrower]

OK here goes I was a member of GC and Overgrow for quite a few years and have been lurking on IC for a while only became a member recently i have to say it is the best forum on the net...
I have been growing for about 16yrs mostly outdoor I have a small med grow going of Bubba Kush not sure of the cut was gifted to me....

I have pulled off a few grows of OG and some Hindu both did well
I just put these plants in my new sealed room and clicked them we are at 2 weeks of flower without a single hair showing they have gotten worst since the move but they where showing some issues before moving them.

Veg was 24hrs of light then in the dark for 24 then 12-12

Current room conditions

10 gallons of sunshine mix
plants roughly 8 weeks old in 10 gallons
100sqft- 6-1000 w hps (60w sqft)
Night 74
Day 89
RH 60%
c02 1100
water every 2-3 day ph 6.5
vegged with 700-800 ppm PBP Grow, calmag, liquid karma, and growzyme flushed for a week before flower
Flower nutes I changed to GH started at 1000 ppm GH 2-5-10ml, potassium silicate, 5ml growzyme and 20 ml massive for bloom booster(green plant)
I am currently running only half the lights and getting 68 night 85 day 60% rh looks like i will have to do passive with these temps

Temps are a little warm and the veg room didnt have c02

Only fed once with bloom formula discoloring got worse so i began to flush with 7.0 ph 30 ppm.....
runoff readout is as follows:
ph 5.7
ppm 800

Leaves are molted and yellow from the edges in with very slow growth
I am having a wicked battle with the borg (mites) that came from the clones
sprayed with bugbgone 0.05% and am now using mighty mite. Application is 1-2 times a week with lights off.
Leaves are canoeing do to my temps Im guessing?
The first picture is of my mother plant and these are what they looked like before the move but they where starting to show some sort of def or reaction to the spray
current veg room is 76 day 68 night

I used 1/4 cup of hydrated lime per pot (1cf=10 gallons) hoping to raise my soil ph to 7 .... 2 days ago and they are still using very little c02 and water
Any help would be greatly appreciated as I am at a loss as to the problem my best guess is heat and soil ph but if there is something I am missing please lmk this is the first larger grow i have had the first consisted of 2 1000w hps
Thank you

 

[bckindgrower]

Heres the sprays and a few more pictures
Bug-B-Gone
http://www.ecosense.ca/en/Products.aspx?SelectedItem=Is
Mighty wash
http://npk-industries.com/products.html

 

[RubeGoldberg]

your runoff pH, considering you were running sunshine mix was indicating a salt buildup.

The deficiencies you're seeing are just lockouts due to the pH being thrown off.

The hydrated lime MAY have been an overreaction.. Your best bet is just to flush until your runoff comes to around low-mid 6's

If your runoff spikes all the way up to 7, try scooping away the lime you added.

Once you flush enough to get your runoff in to the mid sixes, water/feed in the future at 6.3-6.5 keep an eye on the runoff and give it a bit of extra water any time you see it creeping to 6.0 or lower


Getting the pH back in to range WILL fix the problem you're having, you can foliar spray with your liquid karma to help them green up while you're waiting for the roots to start uptaking again.

 

[Norkali]

Is it just me, or does it seem mandatory to use that red tape if you're growing in Canada....?

 

[bckindgrower]

Rudegoldberg thanks for the reply i really wasnt sure wtf was going on I hope the lime wasnt an overreaction and i didnt screw them up to bad spiking the ph up to 7 maybe it was a bit of a knee jerk reaction on my part.
LOL Norkali yes it is the industry standard up here in the great white north!

 

[Hrpuffnkush]

transplant in to larger container and back the lights off a foot or so till she comes around

Kush's dont like a lot of direct light , the have plenty leave surface for photosynthesis
too much light can stress them in veg , flowering doest seem to bother them to much

 

[bckindgrower]

The lights are 2' away and they are in 10 gallons and they are in flower the first picture is my mom shes vegging. I also always watered with 6.5. They do look a little better today but are still lime green. Any other opinions or ideas? I'm still thinking its a heat issue.

 

[stellblue]

you might want to try beneficial/predator bugs for the mites problem http://naturescontrol.com/

I found their trichogramma wasps to be very effective for my caterpillar problem w an ext grow, but they can be used indoors too the predator wasps are so small you can't see or feel them and they die off once they've done their job is done unless there are more bugs for them to feed on.

I grow an heirloom bubba and she likes to be cut back aggressively during veg & always veg at 18/6. Yr plant looks stressed & hungry and a salt buildup would make it harder for the t to take up nutrients. Previous advice about repotting into bigger pot & watering is what I would say, I'd also maybe think of using a little superthrive or maybe some seaweed. Nurse her back to health, be patient.

ps... also wanted to suggest foliar spraying w a compost/worm tea. I foliar spray regularly (2-3 times week) during veg & the first 5-6 weeks of flower w excellent results

 

[bckindgrower]

I used some liquid karma as a foliar feed yesterday and flushed again with straight water today run of is 5.8 and 800 ppm so I would like to think that i am not overfeeding unless its a K lockout...I sure hope its lock out from salt buildup but i don't see why i fed Pure Blend for the last 8 weeks and flushed for a week before starting the GH flowering food and the 12-12 cycle.
Current temps are 68 lights out 85 lights on 60% RH.

Transplant again eh? hmmm I went from 3 gallons to 10 gallons I could go to 20 gallons I was suprised how little the stretched being in 10 gallons the OG and the Hindu didnt stretch either....

I just read about a local predator bug breeder and was considering going that route

 

[bckindgrower]

Bump to the top problem getting worse runoff 6 ph 500ppm any ideas? k lock out? temps? mites? ph? heat?

 

[PoopyTeaBags]

your runoff pH, considering you were running sunshine mix was indicating a salt buildup.

The deficiencies you're seeing are just lockouts due to the pH being thrown off.

The hydrated lime MAY have been an overreaction.. Your best bet is just to flush until your runoff comes to around low-mid 6's

If your runoff spikes all the way up to 7, try scooping away the lime you added.

Once you flush enough to get your runoff in to the mid sixes, water/feed in the future at 6.3-6.5 keep an eye on the runoff and give it a bit of extra water any time you see it creeping to 6.0 or lower


Getting the pH back in to range WILL fix the problem you're having, you can foliar spray with your liquid karma to help them green up while you're waiting for the roots to start uptaking again.

this ^^ need to get runoff ph to 6.2-6.8

 

[187020]

How u venting the room homie?

 

[187020]

Ok I see

Ok I see

I'd unplug a couple bulbs ...your ventilation may be overmatched. When plants re healthy dip those bulbs deep in there! Peace

 

[TGT]

It could be the pictures, but those pots do not seem to be 10 gallon, may be 10 litres?

I think the best suggestion was already stated above. Re pot into larger ones_ and I think flushing will only make it worse and make them more yellow and unhealthy. It could be salt build up, but flushing will weaken the plants greatly before seeing positive results. Instead, re pot and just give one turn of veg, and then continue on with bud formula. Avoid multiple brands and keep it simple. I had a very similar problem and it took a couple weeks, but eventually they turned out well.

About the mites, in all the different approaches I have taken to rid the plants of those little bastards over the years, I have found a few "No Pest Strips" with >Dichlovus" (sp?) to be the best preventative.

I have also killed moderate infestations with them many times. I can't emphasize how well they actually work. They are a little expensive, 10 dollars each to 14, but if you want the job done, use them. Just remember ventilation off and only one fan on at night. You can leave them in there indefinately after things are well as they are no harm to the plants if kept at lease three inchs away from foilage.

Hope this helps.

tgt

 

[ghostnugz]

get a scope n check the tops of your leaves and new growth. looks like broadmites...

 

[mg75]

did you try to pull out the plants out of the pots? are the roots ok?
often, different pests appear at the same time. root inspection is mandatory. root issues often manifest as PH looking issues and do not respond to flushing/PH adjusting.

stop foliar spraying your plants for a bit until they get better. let the plant "fix itself" and regenerate new growth. new growth is the best indication that the plant is getting out of the mess it is in. raise the lights and lower the temps. spider mites love hot dry climates and your plants don't.

sometimes, there is nothing a grower can do to eliminate the problems so he/she should just nurse the plants until harvest and take the "loss" until the next round. it is a learning experience. going to WAR with pests while your environment is against you will often result in a non-consumable end product. be careful with what and how much you spray.

i suspect most of your leaf issues come from pests and the remedies you used against them.

 

[bckindgrower]

OK update typo they are 7 gallons not 10 TGT you are right
Re sprayed with Bug B Gone and de foliated
New growth looks good and they are starting to flower a bit faster but they are still way behind
I was trying to remove the plants from their pots and wasn't able to. They are too big.
They was a ton of mites not sure which type but they appear to be better.
Lights are as high as possible without being in shades next run i am going with 8" cooled shades.
Day time temps 85
Night time 68
They problem was there before heavy spraying
Looks like lock out to me and i do believe I figured it out... I poisoned them with excessive Potassium Silicate I accidentally used 5ml per gallon and it should have been 1/4 ml per gallon. I cant believe they are still alive to be honest

 

[TripleDraw27]

tons of mites? = probably more mites ya?

 

[bckindgrower]

Craven more head lol. Thats funny you say that because right now Im not venting at all just scrubbing whatcha thinking? Im planning on venting that scrubber tomorrow to help keep my temps down the fan will be on a thermostat set at 78 (current temp is 85) hopefully its not on alot because i am running co2 right now. Its a temp fix until i get this off so I can afford some cooled hoods if the hoods cant handle the heat Im popping for a 2 ton ac

Mites seem to all be dead there are still eggs visible but every mite I see is dead

 

[TGT]

Most sprays kill the adults, but leave the eggs unharmed. Unfortunately if you dont keep on them the eggs will hatch and they will multiply again. Those bastards are relentless, and so too must you be.

tgt