questions for outdoor autoflower growers ! please help

[cmbohio]

ok. So my questions are as follows.

For people that are growing autoflowering strains in the outdoors. do you feel like you have to worry less on security because of size of plant... meaning would it be advisable to plant say 100-150 inbetween the maters and green beens . Would you think that it would be a problem. No neighbors or visitors. Only worried about heli.

Also it must be less of a risk because you are harvesting much earlier in most cases than regular harvest season when the piggies get to rutten around like a whore in heat.

I have 2 400s and a 150 seed cab. im currently growing chiesel, ak48, and just added ata tundra and afghan #1 from seedsman. I have no experience with autos. But i am seeking information and considering ordering a couple strains to make a seeded run . so that i could achieve an outdoor run.

any input is very much appreciated. looking at seeds from lowlife and joint doctor.

thanks.

 

[cmbohio]

jessico the beardie

 

[mitch_connor]

Yes they should be a stealthier option for sure...

AF's thesedays range drastically in size (30cm to 1m tall generally), OR 6ft + some 'super autos' I have seen.

You could use smaller AF's in patches of around 30/Msq (just an example number)
See my sig for an Indoor Version - IMO wouldnt be at all obvious to a copter.
Perhaps in a raised bed, weather (rain) would be my worry - but my summers are unpredictable and often wet.

Or grow Bigger AF's and train them to be shorter, if necessary.

For sure it would be good to test some indoors and make plenty of seeds for the summer.

Good luck, and the lizard looks happy!
Mitch

 

[Guest 263194]

some auto's are good for outdoor. but auto's are unstable which means not stronger then normal plants

 

[5th]

some auto's are good for outdoor. but auto's are unstable which means not stronger then normal plants

I would love to know where you dreamt that up.

 

[Piel]

Or you could try ligh sensitive plants like Typhoon as he sem a bit more resistent to mold and I have harvested them at 60 lat. They can get a bit sizey though.

 

[TheGreenBastard]

some auto's are good for outdoor. but auto's are unstable which means not stronger then normal plants

Instability does not imply a lack of "strength", only lack of uniformity. Strength is relative and in this case I believe a more accurate term would be hardiness, or the resistance to negative environmental factors. I would agree that many daylight-neutral plants are not as stable as their photo-period counterparts though this is not the reason for their generally poor outdoor performance. I believe that many of the problems afflicting outdoor auto-flowering plants are caused by their own strengths, fast growth and proximity to the ground; both of which can increase the likelihood of mold in certain environments. This in conjunction with the possibility of a genetically inherent weakness adequately explains the presence of said afflictions.

 

[Krull]

Instability does not imply a lack of "strength", only lack of uniformity. Strength is a relative term and in this case I believe a more accurate term would be hardiness, or the resistance to negative environmental factors. I would agree that many auto's are not as stable as their photo-period counterparts though this is not the reason for their generally poor outdoor performance. I believe that many of the problems afflicting outdoor autoflowering plants are caused by their own strengths, fast growth and proximity to the ground; both of which can increase the likelihood of mold in certain environments. This in conjunction with the possibility of a genetically inherent weakness adequately explains the presence of said afflictions, in short, it is not directly caused by instability.

Agreed. Also mind that most autos are bred for indoors.
You should grow the same strain outdoors for several seasons and carefully select best performers or cross with tough outdoor genetics like guerrilla gold, biddy early, hfh...

Peace

=K

 

[cmbohio]

Thanks for all of the responses. I am looking at 2 strains in particular. auto great white shark from lowlife. and diesel ryder. I know that a couple years of growing will ultimately help me find the perfect specimen for what i am trying to do. but for a short term remedy. or atleast for getting started sake. this is what im planning. buying 2. 5 packs of seeds. and growing them out selecting the best male to polinate the remaining females. and then using those seeds for the outdoor. unless there is any reputable members that are willing to deal off some auto beans. i have a bunch of ak48/ice cross beans. and i also have a bunch of chiesel/ice cross beans. just tossin that out there. or if anyone knows a good source to buy bulk seeds from a reputable dealer that is not going to rip your mouth out.

 

[omucuverdeata]

I will be using auto's outdoor cuz they're small and I can plant many plants in different spots hidden in the bushes also where I live there's a lot of hemp and auto's would finish before the hemp starts spreading pollen so I don't have to worry about seeded buds anymore

 

[Sandnut]

Ofcourse its a little stealthier to grow autos on a spot instead of giant sativas or elite strains but i mean if you grow them properly, which you probably want to, they will reach some height and having 100-150 wont make it stealth at all. i mean if someone walks close to your spot they will probably spot them eaither way..

My tip to you - find more than 1 place, divide those 100-150 plants into 3 different spots, if one or two, worst case scenario, should be ripped or found, you atleast have another spot with a harvest to put some weed on your wounds, if you know what i mean..

If you can get to the location, so can anyone else, look for trails closeby, do people walk in those areas? try to find a spot that is very hard to enter, like the top of a cliff, a place sourrounded by heavy vegetation or swampy ground, when you find a GOOD place, you will know it, and you wont be paranoid anymore..

If possible there should be only 1 way to enter your grow spot, and that narrow path should be covered with abit of sand or whatever, so any visitors will leave trails, and you can turn around and walk away instead of walking into a trap or w/e, atleast you know FOR SURE that a person was there even if plants are still there in early flowering....

put a wallet on the ground very easy to spot with a 10$ bill in it... if anyone visits the spot they will for sure take the wallet or atleast the money....

If you want better options for security you could take a loot at the deer cameras found on ebay ect, they can be put high up in a tree and aimed at your grow, they start recording once movement is spotted thus capturing your rippers or visitors on camera or photo....

if your going with autos then typical ak47,mi5,onyx,nyld, sour60, are some of what i concider to be some of the best strains out there...

 

[cmbohio]

ive grown photo plants outdoors for 10 years with great success and huge rewards.
I know the ins and outs. Im just planning a huge garden in my own private fencend in property. aleast a full acre of veggies. plus the reef. main concern is not rippers or animals.

 

[ChynaRyder]

I have been growing autos outdoor for the last 3 years. Indeed they are extremely stealthy, visually. Stink to high heaven tho.

I have brought in One finshed crop out of about 12 separate runs in this time...I live at elevation, in green mountains, and a heavy morning mist settles on everything, pretty much season long. Unless I can time them just right, so that they are hitting the 45 day mark, in conjunction with the driest part of the summer, they invariably need to be pulled at about 50 days to save losing all to mold. This is Sour 60, Blue Streak, Auto AK, JEMS, etc. Never tried any of the short stuff or the super auto crap, so cannot comment on them. I can get cleaner plants by planting in more exposed locations, with better air circulation, but then the stealth aspect is lost.

Unless you live in a very dry climate, I would urge you to get some HFH gear, and start some slection work of your own. Danish Gold has some phenos that are nearly full auto and depending when you get em out, can be done in mid august, with good mold resistance, and excellent potency.

 

[StrapAssassin42]

HFH gear?

 

[StrapAssassin42]

where can i find danish gold?

 

[ChynaRyder]

HFH = Hybrids From Hell. There is a forum here, and the seed is available from seedbay.

 

[skullznroses]

Autos should only be diversions for experienced growers. You'll never hear of Autoflowers in any discussion of strength of smoke anywhere on this site except in a few select threads by people with little experience growing anything other then Autos. No serious grower handles Autos, and none have ever WON A CUP. Yeah, thats right they never win any awards! Thats for real and you can check the HISTORY books on that one.

If you have no fear other then heli and have big vegi garden, just grow a normal cannabis plant, and bend it over. Its really that easy... you just bend it over with thread. You'll be happy... The Autos I've seen grown outdoors on IC are rarely more then trash weed. But hey... go with conjecture if you like, and yield 30 grams a plant if you're lucky.

 

[5th]

yield 30 grams a plant if you're lucky.

I'd be happy with 20 grams a plant....and say...25 plants in what? 70 days? Wait a sec...I'm curing my pound of shitty weed while your still veggin'...good luck with that.

...went to your gallery...didn't see this "using of thread" in your grow pics...care to elaborate?

 

[StrapAssassin42]

Autos should only be diversions for experienced growers. You'll never hear of Autoflowers in any discussion of strength of smoke anywhere on this site except in a few select threads by people with little experience growing anything other then Autos. No serious grower handles Autos, and none have ever WON A CUP. Yeah, thats right they never win any awards! Thats for real and you can check the HISTORY books on that one.

If you have no fear other then heli and have big vegi garden, just grow a normal cannabis plant, and bend it over. Its really that easy... you just bend it over with thread. You'll be happy... The Autos I've seen grown outdoors on IC are rarely more then trash weed. But hey... go with conjecture if you like, and yield 30 grams a plant if you're lucky.

Are you speaking from first hand experience?? Doesn't really sound like it....sounds like a bunch of "I heard" in there.

What about those of us in the north that have no choice but to grow a short season plant? 30 grams is just fine with me if i have 50 of them and harvest in July!

There a lots of old pros that run nothing but autos because of lattitude and security.... i think you're blowing smoke sir!

 

[TheGreenBastard]

It makes me sad to see people put a conscious effort into berating legitimate techniques, equipment, and genetics; rather than pursuing positive activity in forums one finds interesting.