House & Garden Nutrients

[Guest 263194]

I am running coco coir with GH bloom nd Micro too. I was thinking to get H&G on my next grow. what is the N-P-K of it? and All I need is A+B? Is there any other thing I should consider to buy when using there nutrients?. thanks!

 

[Scrappy-doo]

I used to run just A and B from that line all through veg, so as far as the absolute necessities that's really all you need. Had healthy plants all through that stage with just that.

In Bloom I would still use the A and B for a base, and then add some flora nova because that's what I had lying around and it works well so I stuck with it. I also add some Big Up powder later on in flower, and then a 2 week flush.

Now I add silica and cal mag as well all throughout the plants life because they were highly recommended by my peers who I have much respect for.

As far as a bare minimum I'd go with the A and B, and a good bloom nutrient to add for flower.

I hand water in coco and have not had any adverse effects from not using drip clean. I hear it is great but have not personally had any noticeable salt buildup without it. If I were going to run a drip system of blumats I would use it though just in case.

 

[Guest 263194]

how dose salt builds up because for coco coir every time we water we water til good runoff.
I recently transplant my plant without rinsing coco but I don't see any problem I think their growing even better.
anyway, back to H&G nutrients, so it's not completely ok to just use A+B, that's what ur saying?.

 

[Scrappy-doo]

What I'm saying is that I've done just A and B and it was just fine.

You prob could use just A and B throughout flower too, but I would recommend adding a bloom specific nute to it.

 

[Guest 263194]

^ thanks buddy

 

[Scrappy-doo]

Apparently salts build up when the coco is allowed to dry. Don't know from personal experience.

 

[Biatchzxz]

*hotbox - the regimen you have been using def works well also. *I have used that before with great results. I decided to make the switch because I too heard the hype about H&G and figured I'd give them a shot and truthful. Will never turn back. * They are just as simple as what ur using now also depending on if you decide to use additives and such also makes a difference on simplicity. *You Don't have to use all there additives to get great results. Using just the AB base nutes will be just fine. As well as using the Kool Bloom if you want works super well. * *The Drip Clean isn't what it sounds like. *It's used in DTW also to get rid of any excess salts in the medium by binding to them and not letting them build up. You'll even notice all that excess crap come out
If used many different companies and truthful the H&G line works best for my needs. * The taste is def better due to the fact also that the base *nutes aren't salt based and are much cleaner. *They don't add any fillers n shit like that. * * I would 100% recommend giving them a try. * *PM me I'll set you on the righ track. * *I've never pumped up and preached about any other nutrient company before like I did these guys. * It's like I'm a frigging rep at this point for them. But honestly have No affiliation to them or work for em. *I'm just another happy customer. * Truth is they are so helpful and friendly. That no matter how silly of a question you have. They always answer quickly with a friendly and informative response. *I can't stress how important that is to me. * I'm using. *The Coco AB and Aqua flakes AB. *I have the soil AB brand new bottles haven't opened them shit if one of you guys wants it. Lemme know. **

As far as mixing nutrients goes. Pretty straight forward 2 part


Mix part A into a gal of water (letssay). * Shake well. Let it settle for a few minutes. *Mix part B. Mix well. *

PH your water (If you even need to).most of the time I get it *Pretty on point when I mix the 2 up right. *I get a range of 5.5.-5.9 (distilled). *And like 6.2-6.5 (Tap). * *That's my experience. *Every got different water n shit

Then you would add any additives after that. *And your done

The mixed nurtrients in the gal also will last for a While too. So you don't gotta mix a fresh batch constantly if your only feeding a few plants or have a big barrel of nutrients mixed. *Ur good to go

Hope I could shed some light on your question. *Feel free to Ask away dude!

 

[joe fresh]

ya man after doing a few tests fertilizing every watering at the rates they tell you to is not the way to go...the defs i was getting were salt buildups, tested it on 25 plants and they are all showing defs, i checked soil ec and it was 3.6 and some even past 4EC(my meter dont go past that) where as the plants that were fine shoing no defs(the ones fed water between each feeding) had a soil EC of 1.6-2.4

for those that dont know soil EC is best between 1EC and 3EC...anything past 4EC should be flushed immediatly before any furthur salt build up problems arise


i would def not recommend feeding every watering with H&G in soil like they recommend, weather using drip clean or not....



and i dont know where you get your info that H&G is not salt based, because that is false, theyre nutes are salt based, they just claim that their nutes dont get built up in medium so you can feed every watering...great way to ruin a crop, if i continued down that path then by week 4 of flowering i would of been dealing with really big problems

 

[Biatchzxz]

Joe This from what I read on the website bro I wouldn't post it otherwise

 

[joe fresh]

well theyre ferts are def made with salts....thats how ferts are made unless 100% organic and even then there is still a salt content in it, not anywhere near chem ferts(like h&G or AN or any other chem fert)

thats my point, if its from the website or customer service i no longer believe them, i tried to do it their way by the instructions they give, i even contact them to clarify with them...and i get crazy salt build up anyways....good thing i caught it before it locked out too much....

its not that they have a bad lineup, but the ppl who work over there dont know wtf theyre doing...its like they never grew any plants at all....


maybe their instruction are good for hydro or coco, but they dont know shit from soil....


sorry if i sound irrate, im just a little pissed off that a company would tell you to fert in a way that will kill your plants... dont know how they expect ppl to come back to them if they cant give decent product instructions...

 

[krunchbubble]

well theyre ferts are def made with salts....thats how ferts are made unless 100% organic and even then there is still a salt content in it, not anywhere near chem ferts(like h&G or AN or any other chem fert)

thats my point, if its from the website or customer service i no longer believe them, i tried to do it their way by the instructions they give, i even contact them to clarify with them...and i get crazy salt build up anyways....good thing i caught it before it locked out too much....

its not that they have a bad lineup, but the ppl who work over there dont know wtf theyre doing...its like they never grew any plants at all....


maybe their instruction are good for hydro or coco, but they dont know shit from soil....


sorry if i sound irrate, im just a little pissed off that a company would tell you to fert in a way that will kill your plants... dont know how they expect ppl to come back to them if they cant give decent product instructions...

i think your the first person i have EVER heard of, having problems with h@g....

i would tend to think something else caused the problems, but im only speculating....

 

[joe fresh]

no i did a test..took 25 plants and watered them with ferts every time they needed watering

took the other 95 plants and watered with plain water inbetween feedings....the difference is remarkable....

the ones who got plain water inbetween feedings are beautiful, healthy, no problems....

the ones given ferts every watering had a big P def and the start of a Mg def...thats when i decided to check the salt content of the soil in both tests...

the affected plants with def had a ppm runoff of 2000+(over 4 EC)and ph 6.2 while the plant that were beautiful had a runoff ppm of about 800(1.6EC) and ph 6.7

for this test Ro water was used in combination with tap water @ total 50ppm/7.0 ph


it should be noted that the ph didnotshift much in the plants because i added dolomitic lime to stabilize ph


the proof is in the pudding...lol

 

[Zdub7k]

My brother uses H@G and he gets great results...Im in a medical state so we have plenty to compete with and House and Garden produces some of the best meds around. I like to use more natural and organic methods myself but I have used the root excel and it works really well. I do use their Magic Green foliar feed, shit works wonders..keeps your plants super dark green and healthy looking.

 

[Kcar]

I'm pretty sure your not suppose to 'feed' soil plants with every watering...

 

[joe fresh]

I'm pretty sure your not suppose to 'feed' soil plants with every watering...

well according to H&G they tell you to feed every watering at the same EC other nute companies say to feed only once a week...

i can understand feeding every watering with a low EC of 0.8-1.4EC..(at peak of flowering) but to follow their directions was pretty silly of me......with their directions i was feeding 3 times a week at 850 ppm ....(can you say salt buildup?)

from now on i say FUCK ALL NUTE COMPANY DIRECTIONS...tired of them being wrong and telling me to feed my plant like its a 10 yr old tree

 

[Electrician]

H&G IS THE SHIT> But then again I dont grow in soil

 

[Biatchzxz]

Joe - hey man I totally understand your frustrated and I completely get wat your saying. I mean. It could be maybe different things though. Your right though when I was using soil I did get some build up But I don't know if it was the medium itself or the drip clean taking effect I mean Honestly I too don't like feeding every watering but I haven't had any issues when I was using steaight coco. But yes in soil I did see some salt issues on tip layer and bottom. But when I tried to use plain water in between I felt like it made it worse and realized it was the tap water I used I guess had a lot of minerals and it built up eventually


Joe - I know your an experienced grower and u know what your doing and I'm sorry you had a bad experience. But. I wouldn't dismiss any other issues besides there stuff because I lobe to experiment myself with different mediums mixtures and nutrients and once I really learned about Exactly what to do with there stuff I got it dialed in. It worked out great. Have you been using drip clean at all or any of there additives along with the base ? Or gave used any other company with them. Or straight H&G. I just want to be able to help you get it right so yoANCan really Get to the bottom of it. Yes I agree some companies are a bunch of retards when it comes to directions and such but I've gotten only great information from them when I ask. I just want you to be as happy as I am. Maybe I'm wrong but don't like to see you upset about it either brotha

 

[joe fresh]

i got the whole H&G line up...20L base nutes and 5L additives....right now using base nutes drip clean and algen extract...all at recomended dose

i think that the company should just redo their feeding schedule because they are obviously for hydro or coco...if you look at GH feeding schedule for soil its much much more reasonable

http://www.generalhydroponics.com/genhydro_US/feeding_charts/GH_FloraDuo_twinpack.pdf

just look at the recomended PPM(0.5 conversion)...much much lower and they actually give good instructions....


rememberim not saying the nutes are bad..quite the contrary, im just saying that the company misrepresents the correct "guidline feeding for soil" by saying to feed at such high levels every watering

 

[Biatchzxz]

Actually ya. The feeding chart on the site is wrong. I believe they have an updated when that they revised. I'll get the link for you because u remember them saying that it was a mistake and they fixed it I believe I have the updated one I'll post it up

 

[YosemiteSam]

Just out of curiosity, name me one professional greenhouse operation that uses H&G.

Fuck, not even H%G claims that drip clean would work for what you guys are claiming. It is designed to clean out drip lines...a task accomplished by lowering pH to 5.2.

It is one thing for guys growing a few plants for themselves to buy into this shit. But cash croppers...Jesus fuckin christ. Take a class.