ogenko
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in the aquarium world, the pros use surface water agitation(aka powerhead) to oxygenate. not bubbles
nice to be in the presence of a legend
Who's Running DWC/SWC with Water Pump
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in the aquarium world, the pros use surface water agitation(aka powerhead) to oxygenate. not bubbles
nice to be in the presence of a legend
il19z8rn4li1
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Ya, water movement seems to be just plenty, NIMBY you mentioning your background just explains it all :-D I have recently started really reading about aquariums, as I'm about to purchase my first Oscar, and I have noticed MORE MOTION of water, rather then bubbles. Makes sense... don't want stagnant water, just like when I make my "BREWS", water cant stop moving or become anaerobic very quickly.
My current RDWC is just like Bio-Buckets, just with its little differences, and its been running for around 3 weeks now, no plant in her yet but im about to throw the little babies in there Im thinking today or tomorrow, LOTS of bene's.
balls... lol im still working on always taking into consideration the "good guys" eheh ie: beneficial bacteria, I didnt even realize that lowering the cups INTO or ALMOST into the water, making sure they just are always wet, gives a home to the good guys hehe.
Love hearing the wisdom from the ol'timers, HEHE Dont take offense please, its a compliment to the fullest of degrees my friend :-D
Its how I take the old school teachings and apply them to the more UP TO DATE new school technology that we have at our finger tips :-D (mainly applying automation to everything, humans dont need to do the "HARD" work of plowing, planting, harvesting of their food anymore, its been long enough lol, but I will admit I LOVE doing all that jive, but will do less work if i know it will provide for a larger outcome)
cheers my friend,
love and light.
PS>>> I dont think your hijacking any thread, shit I would love for a person of your experience to jump on my thread and just start expelling information all over the place, but its all located IN ONE THREAD hehe makes it nice and easy to read A LOT of info at once.
as long as the thread has the right info there is no stealing. Share it all NIMBY
Bunz
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Back when I owned a fish & coral reef supply company, all of the aquariums we designed and installed used a "waterfall" method to oxygenate the water. Basically by having the return water above your water line, causing it to fall into the res and creating additional oxygen.
I was thinking of a 20g SWC tub, instead of having the pump INSIDE the res I was going to make the pump a "thru" style pump.
So the pump INTAKE would be drawiing from one side of the res and the OUTPUT would shoot into the other side of the res. I figured a 300gph pump would do very well, but may go over kill and run a 600gph.
So the pump INTAKE would be drawiing from one side of the res and the OUTPUT would shoot into the other side of the res. I figured a 300gph pump would do very well, but may go over kill and run a 600gph.
+1 For OG. It was a sad day indeed, lots of useful knowledge and tuts lost. IC is for sure the closest in terms of professionalism, knowledge, etc. So many of us never found our way back to forums as far as I can tell.
Nimby:
Do you flower in those tubs as well? If so, do you have problems with the rootspace ever?
Nimby:
Do you flower in those tubs as well? If so, do you have problems with the rootspace ever?
I flower in a larger tub. I'm waiting for roots to grow out in that veg tub but the root systems get pretty big in flower.
That little veg tub is labeled as 12q (3 gallons) but it hold about 2 gallons of nutes. I cut six holes in the lid but one of the spaces is taken up by the powerhead. A wrap of soaker hose under the pots and hooked to an airpump will work, too, and the tub would then hold six plants. But the powerhead is quieter and that's the main reason I use it instead. The flowering tub is the same depth but about twice the size otherwise.
I put the powerhead in one corner of the tub and direct the flow of water so that the roots are blown away from the pump and have to work their way all the way around the tub before they reach the powerhead again.
If the root system finally gets close to the pump intake, I'll reach in and push it away. That's an advantage of the clear tubs--I can easily see what's happening down there. I have a foam filter piece on the intake that also protects the pump.
I only do one or two plants in a flower box so the root systems aren't a big problem. But you're right--they definitely would be in that small tub in the photo.
That little veg tub is labeled as 12q (3 gallons) but it hold about 2 gallons of nutes. I cut six holes in the lid but one of the spaces is taken up by the powerhead. A wrap of soaker hose under the pots and hooked to an airpump will work, too, and the tub would then hold six plants. But the powerhead is quieter and that's the main reason I use it instead. The flowering tub is the same depth but about twice the size otherwise.
I put the powerhead in one corner of the tub and direct the flow of water so that the roots are blown away from the pump and have to work their way all the way around the tub before they reach the powerhead again.
If the root system finally gets close to the pump intake, I'll reach in and push it away. That's an advantage of the clear tubs--I can easily see what's happening down there. I have a foam filter piece on the intake that also protects the pump.
I only do one or two plants in a flower box so the root systems aren't a big problem. But you're right--they definitely would be in that small tub in the photo.
blast from the past!
good to see u r still around nimby!
good to see u r still around nimby!
Back in the day was cool! This place is trying to keep the OG knowledge alive. There is a lot of wisdom you can help us regain.
I love hearing about tanks and plants and how similar they are!
Awesome, thanks.
So you must pull them out of there and put them in the larger tubs before the roots get too close to each other then? How tall would they be going into flower?
When you say the flowering tubs are larger, you mean taller, but the same size mouth?
Lastly, how many plants that size would be suitable for every 1000W do you think? Assuming the goal is a pound and a half + for each light.
Thanks for your input dude, it's a huge help to be able to pick your brain.
Ah, computers, yeah. I recommend smoking one, and tackling it later if the mood should arise, lol.
tnx
OK, let's try again...
Mr Eckted--If roots tangle in the veg tub and are damaged when the netcups are removed, it's absolutely no problem. They'll grow right back--just like any damage to the plant itself. They're in veg and will grow back quickly.
I veg them until they're about a foot tall and then move the netcups to the finishing tub and start training the plant(s) into the SCROG screen with the light set for 18/6. When the screen is about 1/3 full (maybe 1/2 for shorter/Indica type plants), it's time to switch to 12/12.
Usually just takes a few days for the plants to reach proper size in the screen and you could also veg them until they'll fill the screen as soon as they're moved and save the 18/6 part. The stretch will fill the rest and the screen will be full within three weeks of 12/12.
The little veg tub in the photo is 10" x 15" and 6" deep. The finishing tubs are 20" x 15" and also 6" deep. My box is 24" x 20" so that size tub fills out the bottom pretty completely. By "mouth size" I think you mean the holes in the tub lids(?) and, yes, they're the same whether veg or flower. The cups come right out of one and drop into the next with exactly the same size hole.
I think it's considered pretty average to expect one oz. per 50 watts of light. So a decent grow with your 1000w should get you 20 oz's. So shoot for above average and you'll reach your goal!
You usually figure one foot of plant canopy per 50 watts, too. So you're shooting for 20 sq. ft. Maybe 4' x 5'? Try fudging that a little to, say, 5' x 5' and that might help you reach 24 oz's. Hey, the middle 20' should get you the 20 oz's so maybe the fringes will add the rest, right?!
It's up to you on the number of plants. I can easily get one plant to fill my slightly-over-3' SCROG screen. So you could get by with as few as 4-6 plants, technically. It just takes a little more veg to get the screens filled to proper size before switching light cycles.
Obviously, you could use more plants to speed things up a bit. But I'd still recommend SCROG since it gives you a chance to control the height of all the plants, no matter what the genetics are.
(I'm copying this before hitting "post" this time! I got distracted and timed out last time.)
Mr Eckted--If roots tangle in the veg tub and are damaged when the netcups are removed, it's absolutely no problem. They'll grow right back--just like any damage to the plant itself. They're in veg and will grow back quickly.
I veg them until they're about a foot tall and then move the netcups to the finishing tub and start training the plant(s) into the SCROG screen with the light set for 18/6. When the screen is about 1/3 full (maybe 1/2 for shorter/Indica type plants), it's time to switch to 12/12.
Usually just takes a few days for the plants to reach proper size in the screen and you could also veg them until they'll fill the screen as soon as they're moved and save the 18/6 part. The stretch will fill the rest and the screen will be full within three weeks of 12/12.
The little veg tub in the photo is 10" x 15" and 6" deep. The finishing tubs are 20" x 15" and also 6" deep. My box is 24" x 20" so that size tub fills out the bottom pretty completely. By "mouth size" I think you mean the holes in the tub lids(?) and, yes, they're the same whether veg or flower. The cups come right out of one and drop into the next with exactly the same size hole.
I think it's considered pretty average to expect one oz. per 50 watts of light. So a decent grow with your 1000w should get you 20 oz's. So shoot for above average and you'll reach your goal!
You usually figure one foot of plant canopy per 50 watts, too. So you're shooting for 20 sq. ft. Maybe 4' x 5'? Try fudging that a little to, say, 5' x 5' and that might help you reach 24 oz's. Hey, the middle 20' should get you the 20 oz's so maybe the fringes will add the rest, right?!
It's up to you on the number of plants. I can easily get one plant to fill my slightly-over-3' SCROG screen. So you could get by with as few as 4-6 plants, technically. It just takes a little more veg to get the screens filled to proper size before switching light cycles.
Obviously, you could use more plants to speed things up a bit. But I'd still recommend SCROG since it gives you a chance to control the height of all the plants, no matter what the genetics are.
(I'm copying this before hitting "post" this time! I got distracted and timed out last time.)
@Nimby are you using organics in there then? Or will the beneficial bacteria live with the chemical nutes? I'm running maxibloom in coco at the moment but if I can pull off a swc with the numbers I'm looking at it'd be great.
More specifically, I think this container will fit my floorspace near exact and closest way I've been able to find. How many plants do you think it could support? shooting for 24 possibly. Trying to run perpetual sog.
http://www.containerstore.com/shop/closet/storageBoxes?productId=10001213&N=72586
More specifically, I think this container will fit my floorspace near exact and closest way I've been able to find. How many plants do you think it could support? shooting for 24 possibly. Trying to run perpetual sog.
http://www.containerstore.com/shop/closet/storageBoxes?productId=10001213&N=72586
J
J.C.grower
high guys im currently at my second grow ever, i just started with soils, but after reading through a lot of forums and especially after reading this one, i am inspired to try an DIY DWC SWC. I am in 
F
Funion
Wow, NIMBY! Glad to have you around! I followed your advice to a 'T' with less is more approach. I NEVER had problems with DWC/SWC.
Glad you are back! Now go blow the minds out of some of these hydro folks!
Glad you are back! Now go blow the minds out of some of these hydro folks!
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dj_greenthumb
Member
Always heard so much about OG... nice to see old friends reunite! And that picture of the bud and computer with the lava lamp! Too funny!
