$3,500 for grow room

[stagehand099]

Your price list is high....you can whittle that down pretty well. For instance, go with core and coil ballasts like Sun Systems Budget-Gro's for about $100 each, 6" valueline fans for 80 each etc. HTG stuff is expensive for its quality (which isn't that good to be brutally honest)in their house brands. Your first breakout grow should be KISS philosophy. And everything possible should be factored in before you even start. There will be plenty of time (and $$) to get the fancy shit after a couple runs. Just my opinion, ymmv.....

stagehand

 

[sman]

Might wanna add a rooting nutrient in there along with some type of zyme to clean up all the bad shit. Drip clean will also ensure you don't get salt build up.

ok, i will look into those

and dont be surprised when all the little stuff not on your list eats up a fair amount of money...

right about that! i remember from my other two grows! adds up QUICK!

core and coil ballasts like Sun Systems Budget-Gro's for about $100 each, 6" valueline fans for 80 each etc. HTG stuff is expensive for its quality (which isn't that good to be brutally honest)in their house brands. Your first breakout grow should be KISS philosophy. And everything possible should be factored in before you even start. There will be plenty of time (and $$) to get the fancy shit after a couple runs. Just my opinion, ymmv.....

stagehand

i'll look into your suggestions, yea thats why im here man trying to get everything factored in! i know theres time for fancy stuff later but i get excited! i vision a nice simple, clean, bright setup.

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one main concern is installing a sub panel and running electrics. i need to study up on that a lil more, i run low-voltage wire for a living right now and know how to install conduit and all but i wanna be safe. i have a friend that can help but i dont wanna let ANYONE kow where it is

 

[unclefishstick]

im an electrical idiot so i got one of these...

plugs into the dryer outlet to provide 20 amps of 240v and 10 amps of 120v

 

[RespectGreen]

Isn't the big kahuna bigger than the XXXL MAGNUMS? Seems a bit over-kill for only running 6 hundos.

 

[AlexTrebek]

Starting out small, with 2 lights, is one of your best ideas yet sman :x

So fishstick, how do you dry your clothes now?

 

[unclefishstick]

Starting out small, with 2 lights, is one of your best ideas yet sman :x

So fishstick, how do you dry your clothes now?

laundromat....same place i wash them! heck,i have a gas stove at home and they make a 50 amp model that plugs into a stove outlet,but the 30 amp is more than enough juice,my 1000w ballast are running on 240v and i only have one fan on that panel so i doubt im drawing more than 12 amps..

 

[AlexTrebek]

Oh ight thanks fishstick.
I was just imagining the scenario: you wash your clothes then put them on a drying line outside in the -10C weather when they we're fully wet, then when you went to reel them back in they would be hard and frozen and flat, a very funny scenario in my mind!
I guess it's time to get high...

How's the househunt going sman?

 

[unclefishstick]

Oh ight thanks fishstick.
I was just imagining the scenario: you wash your clothes then put them on a drying line outside in the -10C weather when they we're fully wet, then when you went to reel them back in they would be hard and frozen and flat, a very funny scenario in my mind!
I guess it's time to get high...

How's the househunt going sman?

other companies make them so you can use the dryer during lights out..

 

[medmaker420]

Here is my thoughts. I can't stand cleaning glass on reflectors, as well as any EXTRA work that I can remove completely if possible.

Have you thought of a light mover for the lights? 4 600's with a little movement can really help get into those nooks and crannies etc versus you having to put in more physical work on your part.

Some say use another light versus a mover BUT I am not saying move the 600's 4 feet but rather a good foot back and forth so that the light will not be focused simply on ONE spot and can help with the lower branch weight as well.

Defoil can help, check for hermie probs first though before you start hacking at your girls as some might be sensitive and then what a waste. If these are proven strains then go for it but if these are first runners I say use the K.I.S.S. method and just grow them out fully and test out the system for any bugs.

$3500 is a great amount to get 4 600s rolling. Get the lights at the same time and mark when you bought them so you don't forget. It is great to rotate them out BEFORE they are all used up so you can have possible backups incase a bulb dies in the middle of the night etc.

 

[sman]

im an electrical idiot so i got one of these...

plugs into the dryer outlet to provide 20 amps of 240v and 10 amps of 120v

thats a great idea! what would something like that be called? i'm sure i can describe it to a hardware store though.

Starting out small, with 2 lights, is one of your best ideas yet sman :x

can i get 4lbs with only two lights? my investor's (patients) want's that, minimum.

How's the househunt going sman?

have two decent prospects, looking for the great one though

Here is my thoughts. I can't stand cleaning glass on reflectors, as well as any EXTRA work that I can remove completely if possible.

Have you thought of a light mover for the lights? 4 600's with a little movement can really help get into those nooks and crannies etc versus you having to put in more physical work on your part.

Some say use another light versus a mover BUT I am not saying move the 600's 4 feet but rather a good foot back and forth so that the light will not be focused simply on ONE spot and can help with the lower branch weight as well.

Defoil can help, check for hermie probs first though before you start hacking at your girls as some might be sensitive and then what a waste. If these are proven strains then go for it but if these are first runners I say use the K.I.S.S. method and just grow them out fully and test out the system for any bugs.

$3500 is a great amount to get 4 600s rolling. Get the lights at the same time and mark when you bought them so you don't forget. It is great to rotate them out BEFORE they are all used up so you can have possible backups incase a bulb dies in the middle of the night etc.

thanks for your great advise. I have looked into movers, they will be the last thing on the list if i get enough $$ to spare, but for sure they will be had in the future.

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I'm gonna be out for a few days. I'll be back here to update the final verdict and a link to the grow journal for those interested.

 

[The Bling]

STOP


yout plan will not maximize your money and your price on those balasts and hoods is wack


do this

get 4 lights 600s or 1000s doesn't matter
get a huge scrubber and fan close to 2000 cfm
get 2 3x6 tables and a 36 gallon plastic trash can
get 1 sump pump 1 watering wand 1 hose
get a timer or mlc for the lights (or wire one if you know how)
get a solenoid and co2 bottle and a timer
get a timer for the exhaust fan that you can set to come on for 8 min every hour
do 9-18 plants in 6x6 rock wool cubes per light
flush before every watering use dyna-grow bloom or maxi bloom
do this as many times as you can a day

prune all branches on branches.

 

[The Bling]

BELL LIGHTING HOODS

 

[sman]

the nft setup will be
• Standard configuration:
5'1" x 6'10"
• Staggered configuration:
5'1" x 11'7"

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was looking at the kahunas because of the light spread and it also will let you adjust it as well. looking into ORKA film to help bounce light. Looks like it works great.

 

[sman]

Found the house, movin' in Feb 7th, the fun begins Feb 14th of putting together the rooms. I got a slightly bigger budget together. Not EXACTLY sure which method I'll use. I'm still leaning toward the aero/nft but only doing 9 plants per 600W light. Meaning I need to get 1.8oz per plant to reach my goal. That seems completely do-able.

How long should I veg 9 plants under 1 600w (4x4 area) to make 1.5-2 oz per plant?

 

[Granger2]

sman,
A 4x4=16 sq ft. That's 37.5 watts per sq ft. That's the bare minimum according to most sources. I'm not saying you can't get by with that, but the overall thickness and tightness of buds will suffer, IMHO. I'd go with a sq meter or a 3x3, unless you go with a 1000w.

I've started going with 6 plants in 3 gal bags, in a 3x3, under a 600w. I pinch them often early on, to try to have short plants going into 12/12. I go for about 4 growing tips per sq ft. at the start of bloom, regardless of plant count. Then I keep the lower stuff that doesn't get much light pruned off. Stake as needed. Good luck. -granger

 

[420ish]

i would not buy the tall boy filter.active air worked much better for me then the tall boy.

 

[overbudjet]

Got this for 2400 Cdn

filter/fan/bluelab for around 800 Cdn,add a Co2 controler around 300 .If you want to go top noch expect between
1500 and 2000 each K of light(contruction,electricity,plumbing,etc.)mine cost me just over 8 k for 3 k of light

As Granger2 wrote,16 sq. ft. is big for a 600 i flower a 4 x 10 scrog with 4 x600 and i expect 4 lb.

 

[sman]

Ok now, for anyone who care's, here are my final room plans! Starting Feb 7 or 14 (i forgot my move-in date ) I will start the building process. The flower room will not be needed for a least 4 months because I'm starting from seed.. grow em out long enough to get 4 clones from each, 2 will go into a cheap flower unit (just want to know sex) and the other 2 will go back to veg. We all know that process so I won't continue.

Here's a crappy little rendering of said plans via MS Paint!

A collection of engineering ideas (various grow sites) from 'StinkBud', '420fied', 'Mr Smith' and 'High Country'. But let's not forget the dude that inspired me from the very beginning. Some 3 years ago now. Mr. Red Greenery! ok i'm done name dropping now!


Decided to stick with aero/nft design. (2) verticle 600 watt HPS in cool tubes on a DIY vertical light mover in each octagon. Both octagons are in a DIY sealed room within a room.

High Country say's he's getting at least 1lb in a 3x3 600w horizontal SOG with 4 plants/square ft. 36 plants per light. I'm not sure how to do all the math (there's more square footage in an octagon)(something along the lines of 3x16, 3' high x 16' around per light, so 6' x 32', but I intend to apply the same theory of 4 per sft. That means 3 staggered, stacked rows per light. Will also design some sort of screen to help support all the plants (no medium, just 2'' net pots and neo collars). something similar but not limited to, THIS.

just imagine 8 (octagon) walls filled like this with 1 or 2 week vegged clones, single cola style (a bunch of lollipops!) with heavy defoil method (stated earlier) each 2'' net pot spaced every 4'' around the entire octagon.

The res will sit outside in the 'control room'. I will make a pvc wall to separate.(might foam and insulate it, just had that idea, depends on price).

The lights will be vented via 8'' cool tubes and duct. The sealed room will exhaust into the attic through a PHRESH filter, and a passive intake will suck air into the sealed room from the 'control' room (which will be kept at 70*) when the thermostat in the sealed room reaches 78*,

Can't think of what else right now, if you want to know ask, but I will be putting all this into a grow journal. Thanks for everyone who gave helpful info!




ALSO, 1 more question. I am thinking about getting this Pick n Mix collection, ONE FEM seed, each of THESE strains.

3 FEM 'Great White Shark'
1 FEM 'Strawberry Cheesecake'

free to come with the purchase are

1 FEM 'Northernlights x Big Bud'
3 REG 'Big Bud #2'

seed's I already own include

10 REG 'Sweetest Cindy 99'
1 REG (bag seed) of 'Berry White' aka 'Blue Widow'

Thoughts?

 

[sman]

BTW. I'm three months and 9k into my project. the build ended up being NOTHING AT ALL like ANY of these posted ideas or plans.

Did two vertical octagon 'satellite' units. each with two 600w. in a room within a room. currently posted on a different cana site but with the same user name. I don't hhink I'm allowed to post a link to it. but maybe i will also post it here on IC.