Quantitative THC analysis - how to sabotage it?

[questi0n]

Looking for a chemical that can destroy THC, THC-COOH, CBN within a day or two, or makes it impossible to measure the cannabinoid content by conventional lab analysis (GC-MS, HPLC or other methods).
Controlled substances like cc. Sulfuric acid are out of question, a common household chemical would be the best.

*THC is still on the plant material, not in urine.

Would bleach, H2O2, NaOH, HNO3, H3PO4 work?
What happens with THC after reacting with bleach?

So far these ideas came up in the thread:

- Burning it up: in some scenarios this might be a good idea, but i'm afraid of "intent to harm a police officer with an improvised explosive or burning device"
- Isopropil alcohol: since it dissolves THC, it still could be measured from the slurry of weed, altought some might leach away.
- UV light : I don't see how can this be done, packages needs to be opened, weed needs to be spread out for the UV light etc.
- Bleach : question stays : What happens in a bleach-THC reaction. THC oxide of some sort? Can it be measured by standard lab analysis? Possible to tell the amount of THC from the amount of THC oxide?


2 Scenarios:
- Home search, weed packaged individually but in the same container. If container is opened in a different way, weed needs to be destroyed without harming the officer who opens it.
- travelling smuggling, car, there might be some time to do something (push a nail, pull a plug, push a button) before being pulled over and searched.

 

[Macola]

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[Shcrews]

why?

 

[questi0n]

The point is, in my country the sentence depends on the amount of THC, below 1g THC is considered minimal amount, no jail time, but above that it's worst.
The confiscated plant material goes to a lab for analysis, but if they are unable to determine the amount of THC, the judge will have to calculate with the lowest amount of THC measured in that year (0.02%).

The goal is to destroy as much THC as possible, or make it impossible to be measured in the lab.

Let's say someone travels with a big bag of weed, that would get him into jail, but he keeps it next to a bottle of bleach. If he gets pulled over he just stabs the bag through the bottle of bleach, so the weed gets flooded, making it impossible to measure the amount of THC.
I can think of more sophisticated methods to flood the weed , not just during travel, but at home at the storage place, for ex. if someone doesn't know how to open the container that contains the weed, it gets flooded when he tries etc

 

[Shcrews]

isopropyl alcohol maybe? if you pour a big botttle of iso into a bag full of weed, i doubt there will be much thc left. still sketchy though. what country are you in, if you dont mind me asking?

 

[Weird]

you could potentially be hit as a hash manufacturer which may be worse (depending on local law etc)


plus


if there was a quick and easy way to make weed non psychoactive big pharma would pay leo to neutralize most the worlds crops

PARAQAUT !!!!

 

[joe fresh]

honestly this sounds like a really REALLY stupid idea....if you wanna take the risk, then grow some fucking balls and take the risk...you get caught...man up and do your time....

usually someone who is willing to go all out not to get caught like that are usually the ones that will snitch you out. "they just cant handle doing time" so they will do ANYTHING to get out of it.....


if you cant deal with the consequences then dont do the crime...



ps. it should be noted that in my country if i get caught doing what im doing its like 5-6 years in jail....but if i get caught i can deal with it because thats life....cant wait for the day it legal but until then, its risk vs reward.






EDit: even if you have a pound, or an ounce the thc will not be over 23%(example), the amount of marijuana confiscated is not reflective of the thc content....so if i get caught with 100 lbs and the weed has 18%, then its 18% thc, not 1800%....

 

[fjällhöga]

just burn the whole stuff ...

 

[foomar]

In the posters very specific context and with such a strange legal system , i dont think this is stupid at all.

Solvents will not degrade enougth , would suggest the strongest peroxide bleach you can get , drop the bud in a thermos flask full and shake.

Police would take it away as is and by the time it was tested a proportion of the THC should be oxidised , possibly enougth to make a sentenceing difference.


Woulld like to know how they sample a bag of weed with any consistancy , a legal defense would question the validity of such evidence in court , at least in the UK.


Hey Joe , if you were faceing 5 years would you not try to get off on a legal technicality or procedural error ?

As long as i did not snitch i would take it , useing the inadequacies of a corrupt legal system is hardly cowardice.

 

[Al Botross]

I would look at the UV spectrum of light for a period of time

 

[KiefSweat]

what about heat?

 

[questi0n]

According to the laws:
1 grams THC considered minimal amount - no jail

Let's say bleach works, and the lab can't measure the amount of THC in the confiscated weed, they have to assume it has a 0.02% THC content.
5kg (11 lbs) weed means - still no jail
while if the weed has 10% THC
10g (0.35 oz) can put me in jail

Burning it up would be the best way for sure, but I'm afraid of the "intent to harm a police officer with explosive devices" and similar shits.

I can think of 2 scenarios:

- Storage place with lot of weed, packaged separately but in one place (like at home, in a barrel or something). Police comes, no time to do anything because I'm already lying on the floor. Police finds the container, opens it in the wrong way, thing burst into flames right into the officers face... not a good thing to do.

- Traveling, smuggling, when there might be still some time to destroy it manually, pull a plug, push a nail, push a button, but putting my car on fire would be a hazard.

So still looking for a chemical that destroys THC, or makes it impossible to measure it in a lab.
(updated the 1st post)

 

[titoon29]

Hey Joe Fresh, questi0n,

I think you're talking about two different methods of measuring THC; and they probably use the total weight of THC divided by the total weight of weed to fuck you up.
Which means; we're not talking about dutch style THC but real amount of THC.
For instance; now THC levels of 20/30% does not even helps in knowing the amount of THC in the plant. It means the concentration of THC in the Resin; but it doesn't tell the concentration of resin per g of herb.

questi0n just no way you will ever find 10% weed that will give you one G of THC.
10% means, 10% in the resin, which; for 10G of weed; would be a very good average of 1G of resin, 10% of 1G being .1g of THC, so 100mg for 10g of 10% weed.

That seem the reason why they are saying Weed is much more potent nowadays. They are just refering to % of THC of the resin and not dry weed anymore...

Isopropanol will not degrade THC for sure, it will dissolve it. But I can't help you more I am no chemist. I was always picturing for my car a micro ultra fast oven that would burn the stuff in seconds and release the overburned smoke outside; on the command of a small button ^^

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[questi0n]

My government only cares about the actual amount of pure THC. 1 grams of pure THC (without THCA) considered as minimal amount.
Labs get the confiscated weed, homogenise it, then measure the amount of THC. If the sum of THC doesn't reach 1g I'm good.

The lowest THC content in this country was 0.02% THC per dry weight of the confiscated weed. The highest was 12%, the average is 1.3%.
This is THC without THCA, all the other countries in Europe are measuring total THC (=THC+THCA) but this doesn't really matter now.

 

[highonmt]

If you go to a masons supply house and ask for muriatic acid to clean the mortar off your bricks,it is HCL. Wet the material well with the hcl and put it in your microwave for a minute That should do the trick. Should pop that B ring right quick. Any that remains will be gone by the time they get it to a lab.
Titoon I love the idea how bout a thumb print safe/ gasoline incinerator in the dash exhaust it through the tail pipe just make sure you don't have misfires when you reach in for a J lol.
HM

 

[questi0n]

Would HCl work without heating?
There's about 1 or 2 days until it gets analysed in the lab.
Any thoughts on bleach and other chemicals?

 

[Shcrews]

THC levels of 20/30% does not even helps in knowing the amount of THC in the plant. It means the concentration of THC in the Resin; but it doesn't tell the concentration of resin per g of herb.

this is incorrect.. THC analysis is always a percentage of the total bud mass.. just as the OP said, if you have 10grams of ganja that tests at 10% THC, then you have one gram of THC and 9 grams of plant matter.



similar issue: in the USA it is illegal to have dried psilocybin mushrooms, but when wet they are legal... Would pouring water into a bag of dried mushrooms make them legally "wet" again?

it's always nice to know a legal loophole when shit gets rough.

 

[foomar]

Sounds like half an ounce of good homegrown could mean jail , an expensive testing of samples instead of fixed weight penalties sounds strange.

Applying the same legal standard to concentrates , a few grammes could be over the limit.

Hate to think what the penalties would be for serious cultivation if a low amount possesion could mean jail.

 

[G.O. Joe]

It's unfortunate that resin is insoluble in water here.
A little calcium hypochlorite bleaching powder could be added to the bleach for extra power, but. Gas problems increase with oxidizing power. Maybe bleach and 10 grams bursts your container. It would be funny if attempting to chemically destroy evidence was found to be a worse crime.

 

[mofeta]

...in the USA it is illegal to have dried psilocybin mushrooms, but when wet they are legal...

This is incorrect. Psilocybin and psilocin are Schedule I, so anything that contains them is illegal in the U.S., including fresh mushrooms. All the states (except Florida) also prohibit dry and fresh mushrooms.