well i didnt mean any disrespect.i agree that a healthy lifestyle and an active lifestyle is the key.get those endorphins going...work out,sweat a bit.lots of fruits and veggies,water....
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Re:Severe Depression
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softyellowlight
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Depression or not, anyone can do those sorts of things and feel more content. That doesn't actually help correct imbalances of brain chemistry, though. Medicine can help.
I never found any good ADHD or depression drugs, but I'll be damned if I can't be a lot more productive AND happy on sativa than without. I appreciate that most of you guys say that weed doesn't really work for you to help treat depression. A lot of drugs really don't work on me or work improperly: opiates get me beyond outer space, totally non-functional and barely helped with pain; anti-inflammatories generally have no effect I can feel; antidepressants don't help my mood in the slightest; stimulants make ADHD easier to live with but as soon as they're a dose that can be therapeutic, they're destroying my appetite, my sleep and making my body feel trashed.
Weed makes me feel good, end of story. It doesn't harm anyone and I don't feel like it harms me. By all means, people should see medical professionals if they think that will help. It can. It can also not.
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with my lifestyle. I am the picture of health and fitness. You're preaching to the choir here about exercise, diet, sleep, etc. These days all that is as it should be. And yes, this helps remarkably to ward off 90-95% of problems with depression for me.
I don't "need" to smoke weed. It's really just something I do to pass the time, since right now I'm broke as fuck and there's not shit else to do but sit here reading stuff on the net, playing guitar, tending the garden, eating, smoking. That's about it. I smoke about a Q.P. per month, by last estimate. I just fucking love to smoke. I really enjoy the euphoric strains. When in Afghanistan, I smoked some hash bought from a street vendor, and wow....it was the most uplifting, warm, totally clear and happy high. If only I could get my hands on some of that seed.
I would have to agree with the general assertion that marijuana is more of a general aid to one's life rather than a fix for depression. A much better tool to fix depression is MDMA. Also, 2c-c is fantastic, if you can get it.
well anyone can pop a pill or smoke a joint and fell better too, that too doesnt help correct the chemical imbalances.
i think depression comes from shitty lifestyle, unfulfilled desires, psychological traumas and/or thinking patterns. all those can be worked on. mj makes you feel better but i believe its a band-aid solution neglectingg the underlying problems and supressing the bad feelings. this wont work in the long run IMO.
gingerale said:
Are you kidding bro? MDMA has a heavy comedown that can even leave "healthy" ppl with heavy depressive episodes for days. Not to think what it could do to an already depressive person. PPl with depressions should stay away from ALL psychoactive substances imo, except maybe for tea and coffee and stuff like that.
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No I'm 100% serious and I'll tell you exactly what it did for an already seriously depressed person. It changed my entire life, overnight, with a single dose. I didn't experience any "heavy depressive episodes for days" any time I've used it. At the most I just feel a bit muted for half the next day, the whole time I'm basking in the glow of the new realizations this drug helped me see.
MDMA is not harmful when used safely (once every blue moon, and not overindulged), and is extremely beneficial to the mind. I'm guessing you must not be depressed, if you don't understand how hours of sheer bliss and confidence (something I had never felt before and could not until then imagine) can turn someone's life completely around. If it weren't for this drug starting me down the path it put me on, I would be nowhere near the person I am today.
You're welcome to your own opinion, but to me (a person who beat depression), this is very bad advice. In my judgment caffeine is a horrible drug. MDMA, cannabis, psychedelics, etc, are medicine.
It's funny how often people serve this argument - your mental problems are all a result of your incorrect thinking/attitude/lifestyle - fix these and you'll be all right. While there's a lot of truth in this, it is only half the truth. The other half is the things we can't change - our parents and relatives, our duties, our imperfectly wired brains, our imperfect society that some of us are more sensitive to. All the things that don't let some of us "correct" themselves enough to feel good. Of course, working on attitude/thoughts is good, but unfortunately sometimes not enough.
Have you heard that the dose makes the medicine? As well as set and setting when it comes to psychoactive substances.
Coffee "and stuff like that" being OK for depression, but MDMA not? Are you kidding bro?
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For depression, even with cannabis (low) dosage is vital. Overindulgance is very easy to do though if you're depressed, especailly with indicas that will let you sleep your life away. Sativas will cause anxiety in high amounts. That may be a good thing, because in many cases depression is just a symptom and having hints of the cause smacked in your face may lead you onto a path of fixing it. This advice however is of no use to someone who needs to take care of responsibilities and just needs something to "get through the day". Unfortunately I don't believe there is a single answer for that, try a couple of different kinds and try to alternate between them to avoid issues with tolerance buildup and the like. Remember the low dosages, just enough to get you out of bed and to keep negative thoughts somehow maintained or at least to keep your reaction to them within reasonable limits.
recent research offers support to gingerale's position:
http://reason.com/blog/2010/07/19/clinical-study-of-mdma-confirm
I know it gets beat to death here on the forums.But sweet tooth is a very happy high.like a functional light sedation.I can't remember any time i was unhappy ,weird or other after smoking it.It really is the perfect everyday strain....Its my garunteed go to ,good time strain.
Snagglepuss, which Sweet Tooth pheno do you think is the best one for euphoria? I am growing out Blockhead F2 right now and the father of this strain is same as SWT#3. I hope I end up getting a good euphoria pheno out of these four ladies, or at least out of their seed.
IF you was depressed enough,it,s an bad argument-dont wanna eat pills.What it,s best-eat pills or feeling very depressed.Woulld you smoke depression away rest of life so...cant follow you -sorry.sugar in foot it,s non good.
Good luck.
i would rather smoke than take a pill that has depression and suicidal thoughts as side effects.
I think the phrase you're looking for is 'possible side-effects' taking SSRIs doesn't guarentee suicidal thoughts in fact it's incredibly rare and considering the people taking them were depressed already it's a case of which came first innit?
Anyway when beginning a diffcult task it's usually a good idea to have as many tools at your disposal as possible, ruling out something that might help is surely counter-productive?
There isn't one single way of getting out of depression so using or being prepared to use all the techniques available is going to be a good idea. Go with the ones you're most comfortable with to begin with and work your way out from there, hopefully you'll find something that helps quickly but be aware that it may not help forever so at the same time be working on alternatives.
Drugs (pharmaceutical) can help but are not for everyone. It's a sad truth that mental health problems are the most difficult thing for a doctor to work with as they're generally very unlikely to cure anything. Imagine working on something you know in advance is most likely going to fail, would you bother putting your back into it? This is why GPs can often appear to be trying to just give you a pill to get you out of their office (I odn't think this counts so much for specialists). Doesn't mean doctors are bad but it does mean you'll be better off putting the work in yourself. Start reading try everything you feel comfortable with, make sure to stick things out even if it's difficult.
Helping yourself isn't easy. One of the most important and difficult things to learn imo is to learn to live with yourself as you are rather than who you wish you were. Personally the most helpful things have been reading a CBT workbook (i read CBT for Dummies) and reading about psychology (actual not pop) to learn why other people do the things they do since that's what makes life difficult for a lot of folks.
The right cannabis can definitely help unfortunately since we're all different it's a good bet that the weed that puts a smile on our face is different from the next man's so basically get growing as much as you can make crosses of your faves and search the phenos. I use cannabis as a distraction, when i feel myself focusing on unhelpful thoughts I smoke something that distracts my attantion from those thoughts but i need to be doing something for it to work, if i just had a smoke and sat on my ass i'd be in for a world of hurt so I do something, anything.
Oh that's another thing, it helps to have something to do to take your mind off things i find gardening to be really good for that. If it's not enough for you you may need to create something for yourself to do, find a niche and start a business for example. Get into woodwork or cooking or exercise or some other thing to do with your hands/body to take your mind of your mind.
There's a idea called Positive Realism that can be extremely helpful for depressed people http://www.lifehack.org/articles/li...-of-positive-realism-for-maximum-success.html
Another tip that really helped me a lot was stopping listening to depressing music(but i am very into music). Was a rock kid my entire life but nowadays only listen to reggae and dance music and don't miss mope-rock.
Finally be aware that mind and body are the same thing. Personally i think 'chemical imbalances' being the only cause of depression is pretty rare (it's much more likely to be life circumstances present or past) but it's definitely a possible cause. There are plenty of illnesses that you can have and not know about for decades or even ones you know you have but can't get rid of that will make you feel like shit for no other reason than bad luck so if you lead a healthy lifestyle and still feel like this might be an idea to get things checked out tho diagnosing mystery illnesses is no bed of roses either but all avenues need exploring. One thing to be aware of is there is a definite relationship between the immune system and depression/anxiety but in both directions, they can both cause problems with each other.
Remember it's not easy, even if you pull yourself out of the mire there will always be quicksand you can't see so don't be too hard on yourself if you have a few backward steps from time to time. Just try to make sure there are more forward than backward overall and you'll be right. Be prepared for hard work and go easy on yourself when you're not up to it. Good luck.
Anyway when beginning a diffcult task it's usually a good idea to have as many tools at your disposal as possible, ruling out something that might help is surely counter-productive?
There isn't one single way of getting out of depression so using or being prepared to use all the techniques available is going to be a good idea. Go with the ones you're most comfortable with to begin with and work your way out from there, hopefully you'll find something that helps quickly but be aware that it may not help forever so at the same time be working on alternatives.
Drugs (pharmaceutical) can help but are not for everyone. It's a sad truth that mental health problems are the most difficult thing for a doctor to work with as they're generally very unlikely to cure anything. Imagine working on something you know in advance is most likely going to fail, would you bother putting your back into it? This is why GPs can often appear to be trying to just give you a pill to get you out of their office (I odn't think this counts so much for specialists). Doesn't mean doctors are bad but it does mean you'll be better off putting the work in yourself. Start reading try everything you feel comfortable with, make sure to stick things out even if it's difficult.
Helping yourself isn't easy. One of the most important and difficult things to learn imo is to learn to live with yourself as you are rather than who you wish you were. Personally the most helpful things have been reading a CBT workbook (i read CBT for Dummies
) and reading about psychology (actual not pop) to learn why other people do the things they do since that's what makes life difficult for a lot of folks.The right cannabis can definitely help unfortunately since we're all different it's a good bet that the weed that puts a smile on our face is different from the next man's so basically get growing as much as you can make crosses of your faves and search the phenos. I use cannabis as a distraction, when i feel myself focusing on unhelpful thoughts I smoke something that distracts my attantion from those thoughts but i need to be doing something for it to work, if i just had a smoke and sat on my ass i'd be in for a world of hurt so I do something, anything.
Oh that's another thing, it helps to have something to do to take your mind off things i find gardening to be really good for that. If it's not enough for you you may need to create something for yourself to do, find a niche and start a business for example. Get into woodwork or cooking or exercise or some other thing to do with your hands/body to take your mind of your mind.
There's a idea called Positive Realism that can be extremely helpful for depressed people http://www.lifehack.org/articles/li...-of-positive-realism-for-maximum-success.html
Another tip that really helped me a lot was stopping listening to depressing music(but i am very into music). Was a rock kid my entire life but nowadays only listen to reggae and dance music and don't miss mope-rock.
Finally be aware that mind and body are the same thing. Personally i think 'chemical imbalances' being the only cause of depression is pretty rare (it's much more likely to be life circumstances present or past) but it's definitely a possible cause. There are plenty of illnesses that you can have and not know about for decades or even ones you know you have but can't get rid of that will make you feel like shit for no other reason than bad luck so if you lead a healthy lifestyle and still feel like this might be an idea to get things checked out tho diagnosing mystery illnesses is no bed of roses either but all avenues need exploring. One thing to be aware of is there is a definite relationship between the immune system and depression/anxiety but in both directions, they can both cause problems with each other.
Remember it's not easy, even if you pull yourself out of the mire there will always be quicksand you can't see so don't be too hard on yourself if you have a few backward steps from time to time. Just try to make sure there are more forward than backward overall and you'll be right. Be prepared for hard work and go easy on yourself when you're not up to it. Good luck.
happiness comes from within yourself, no strain of pot can make you happy...and searching for happiness in an artificial, outside source like that is a very fast way to make a person much more depressed. if you can't learn to be happy on your own, and to recognize that the source of ALL of a persons happiness is within their own self, you will never be happy, no matter how many pills you take, drugs you do, or friends/money you have...
People who suffer from chronic depression do not wish to be "happy"...
They just wish to have some internal Peace and relief from psychological suffering.
Peace of Mind is what we crave!
"Happiness" is just an extreme in the spectrum of existential emotions.
Ojo
