98% THC Budder fact or fiction?

[Gray Wolf]

shmalphy has rizen the issue of Budder potency on an BHO safety thread and I've asked him to move it here for group discussion, rather than continue to trash and dilute the issue of safety.

I would like to start by asking shmalphy to share with us the certified test results showing anything short of pharmaceutical grades of THC at 98%.

 

[Green Supreme]

98% of what? Peace GS

 

[Gray Wolf]

98% of what? Peace GS

I share the post:

yeah, I don't like ti plates, first of all, it requires a blow torch. I have made ice water hash that was smoked side by side on a ti plate with BudderKings"s famous "budder".

We had some of the really gold ear wax that was tested at 98% THC. It was pretty good, I was surprised at how much flavor it had.

When I tried mine next to it, which was a beautifully crumbly ice wax from a Deep Funk (Bohdi Seeds- Deep Chunk x Sour Deisel). This strain actually has such large trichs you get most of the melt in the 120 bag.

I prefer to smoke it on a screen, so I can heat it gently at first to get the flavors, then high heat to vaporize the cannabinoids. The budder melts right thru a screen, making for a large amount of waste when attempting this method.

While the budder did leave slightly less residue, it was unable to match the palette of the ice water extract.

There is also a certain richness and complexity to the high brought on by the terpenes that solvent based extractions leave behind.


Good luck if you want to smoke "on the go". Most oil heads I know carry an oil pipe (glass dick). It gets some funny looks from certain people, that's for sure, but it's the most convienient way to vape oil when you are not at home.


That ti curve is a neat looking peice, I just don't see myself switching over to one anytime soon.

 

[Green Supreme]

Isn't THC odorless and tasteless? Wonder how that fits into his story. Peace GS

ps. this vaping oil thing is a little scary too. No temp gauges just a torch

 

[Gray Wolf]

Isn't THC odorless and tasteless? Wonder how that fits into his story. Peace GS

ps. this vaping oil thing is a little scary too. No temp gauges just a torch

Good points!

I will let shmalphy field the first question, but I agree that there are a lot more thread on selecting Ti for vaporizing, that telling when it is the right temperature.

Anyone heating cannabis oil in a test tube will note that raising it above its combustion point, produces a volume of black soot.

Presumably a concentration of soot that is produced anytime you combust cannabis material, whether it be bud, bubble, kif, or oil.

With our oil wells and Titanium wands, I heat the ball on the end until it glows red and remove from the flame until it turns black again. It works well simply vaporizing at that temperature and I can tell how much it is cooling off, by what happens when I dip it in the oil pool.

That works well with a wand, but I will let the experts with Ti skillets explain how they pick the best temperature.

Just as an aside, I take most of my oil sublingually, which avoids all those issues and works better for my pain than smoking or vaporizing.

 

[Gray Wolf]

Apparently shmalphy isn't forum diaper trained yet and continues to post on a safety thread, in an effort to disrupt it.

If you follow the link he provided, you will see that it doesn't support his claim, but reading doesn't appear to be his strong suite and further emphasizes the veracity of his input and question of his motives.

Budder King has had his product tested. I got the official "budder" that has been tested as high as 98% THC. Here is a link to substantiate that claim:

http://cannabisculture.com/articles/3589.html

looked just like this

It really is "the bomb". I cannot deny that. I also cannot believe he was able to mass produce something that high quality. I can make stuff that compares, but only in very small batches.

Believe what you want, I have never posted here before last week. You must be getting paranoid from the oils man, be easy!

 

[Green Supreme]

Lol, that article was written about tests by "Dr." Hornby and everyone knows what a fraud that dude is. Using his numbers as evidence is just a joke really. The dude is certainly showing us stuff about himself. Peace GS

 

[Duplicate]

Maybe that's the percentage of THC as compared to other cannibinoids?

 

[Gray Wolf]

Shmalphy still hasn't figured out this thread thang, but here is his answer on the safety thread.

I guess we can close this one now:

well I stand corrected. It was 99.6 % cannabinoids, of which 80-90% were THC, so it was more like 90%...

 

[Green Supreme]

Maybe that's the percentage of THC as compared to other cannibinoids?

That would make the number means even less, as it would no longer be a measure of potency. Peace GS

 

[megayields]

Schmalphy is to BHO...what Crush is to dried med's.....lol

 

[Mia]

That works well with a wand, but I will let the experts with Ti skillets explain how they pick the best temperature.

I have a skillet among other things.
I usually quickly heat my dabber to burn off any excess residue and wipe with a napkin or paper product for a quick clean up.
Get my concentrate of choice on the dabber.
Then heat the skillet red hot, swing it down, a deep breath or two and rip it.
I usually make a point to wait till I barely see the plate red from cooling(coincides with my little breathing ritual). Not sure it really makes a difference.
I did read a link some guy posted about even CP titanium(grades1-4) off gassing when cherried but i only skimmed it so it's hard for me to make any definitive statements.
Do you know anything about that gray wolf?

 

[Gray Wolf]

Maybe that's the percentage of THC as compared to other cannibinoids?

If we accept the numbers from the report, the THC would have ranged from 79% to 89.6%, which could be rounded to smalphy's last 90% statement, but clearly not 98%, so the statement was false.

From the referenced report:



Marijuana contains various cannabinoids, Hornby explains, with THC usually predominant. Hemp has barely a percent or two of THC. The best dried marijuana bud generally maxes out at about 27% THC. Sieved hashish averages about 45% THC. Bubblehash averages about 53% THC.


Solvent-extracted products usually have more THC than bud, water hash or sieved hash, but none have tested as high as Budder, and Hornby says Budder is further distinguished because it does not contain any heavy metals, radioactivity, or other markers associated with inferior fertilizers used on source bud.


"The top Budder sample was 99.6% pure," Hornby explained, "which means if you had an ounce of it, only a tiny fraction of a gram would be anything other than cannabinoids.


We also tested Budder for toxins, solvents, molds, diseases, heavy metals and other contaminants. There were none. It's essentially just pure cannabinoids. I've tested a lot of cannabis materials, but this is the most impressive."

Hornby's tests also found Budder contains 80 to 90% of its cannabinoids as THC.


It contains much smaller percentages of two other cannabinoids: cannabidiol and cannabinol. Of these two, cannabidiol (CBD) is most important because it has medicinal effects and moderates the stimulative effects of THC.

 

[Duplicate]

Cool. Either way the 98% doesn't sound believable but I haven't done my homework on it.

 

[Gray Wolf]

I have a skillet among other things.
I usually quickly heat my dabber to burn off any excess residue and wipe with a napkin or paper product for a quick clean up.
Get my concentrate of choice on the dabber.
Then heat the skillet red hot, swing it down, a deep breath or two and rip it.
I usually make a point to wait till I barely see the plate red from cooling(coincides with my little breathing ritual). Not sure it really makes a difference.
I did read a link some guy posted about even CP titanium(grades1-4) off gassing when cherried but i only skimmed it so it's hard for me to make any definitive statements.
Do you know anything about that gray wolf?

Titanium readily reacts with oxygen at 1,200 °C (2,190 °F) and forms an alpha case, after which time none of the titanium is even exposed to the atmosphere anymore. </SPAN>

It melts closer to 3000F, and is a vacuum melted metal, so I wouldn't expect it to be close to outgasing at dull red temperatures.

Cannabis oil is a hydrocarbon, so too hot a skillet would be more likely to skittle the drop off the skillet, or ignite it, if it couldn't escape.

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

I usually make a point to wait till I barely see the plate red from cooling(coincides with my little breathing ritual). Not sure it really makes a difference.

i let it cool a touch more, till its not visibly red at all, unless its a very large dab.

 

[Scrogerman]

98% lol. gotta av me some of that!

 

[Mia]

i let it cool a touch more, till its not visibly red at all, unless its a very large dab.

Good to know.
I always think it's gonna cool too much, but it doesn't.

 

[Mia]

Titanium readily reacts with oxygen at 1,200 °C (2,190 °F) and forms an alpha case, after which time none of the titanium is even exposed to the atmosphere anymore. </SPAN>

It melts closer to 3000F, and is a vacuum melted metal, so I wouldn't expect it to be close to outgasing at dull red temperatures.

Cannabis oil is a hydrocarbon, so too hot a skillet would be more likely to skittle the drop off the skillet, or ignite it, if it couldn't escape.

Wow i need to up my metallurgy game
Luckily, the wikipedia article for "alpha case" was two sentences long.
i understand how the alpha casing affects the metal's strength,but what is the relationship to off gassing? (vacuum means no gas to trap in metal during creation? therefore no gas or reaction to escape?)
But I like what I'm hearing, I think

 

[SmokeTrees]

its actually true.... A user on IC (who is a friend of mine) had a sample tested, and it came up like 95-98% thc