Is there a sativa to rival the Neville's Haze high?

[Nondual]

kali mist

The right pheno of Kali Mist is amazing. The cut I had many years back is still my all time favorite smoke. Crystal clear, energetic, happy, soaring with no ceiling or paranoia and the fragrance/taste is to die for. I'm gonna pick up some Mango Haze beans soon and look through those. If Cocktail Frank says it's his all time favorite there must be something to it!

 

[Iron_Lion]

dont forget nevils haze x mango haze

This was one of the few strains I have ever found that was almost too potent.

Only down side is it shot nanners late in flowering 2x.

 

[The Batman]

This was one of the few strains I have ever found that was almost too potent.

Only down side is it shot nanners late in flowering 2x.

hello man, did all your pheno hermied ? did you know if it was sterile pollen or just a little sterile nanners or 2 ?
sincerely

Bat

 

[Iron_Lion]

hello man, did all your pheno hermied ? did you know if it was sterile pollen or just a little sterile nanners or 2 ?
sincerely

Bat

just had one female. from what I remember it was just a few nanners. I believe the pollen was viable as I found some seeds in the buds. I ran the clone 2x and same results both times.

 

[Storm Shadow]

If you let any dank OG kush go flower as long it would take to bring down a dank pheno of Nevs Haze... the OG would be much more potent... Nothing makes your forhead instant sweat like OG...the lanky sativa leaning phenos...they shorter Indicas waterd down ones suck........

Nevs Haze is still insane...but overhyped compared to so many other dank strains that out there

 

[yesum]

Panama Red from ACE is a fine sativa high, do not know of haze.

 

[señorsloth]

If you let any dank OG kush go flower as long it would take to bring down a dank pheno of Nevs Haze.

at 90 days mine is 50% amber, if i ever do go with nev's haze i'll be flowering it 20+ weeks...if i tried to do that with og i'm pretty sure it would completely amber up and die by week 18...could be wrong though but og kush has almost the opposite high of a pure sativa...i'm sorry but i can't imagine that would do the trick at all, most sativas i've tried had a very complex high, og is kinda heavy and bland...pretty generic high, love the taste and i like to smoke it before bed but i would never use it in the same light as a pure haze...

 

[Nondual]

at 90 days mine is 50% amber

I just don't get that even after all these years. I harvest at like 10% amber. Why would I want oxidized THC? That's just me though and personal preference. I've always picked anything, whether indica or sat dom, at 10% amber.

 

[Storm Shadow]

at 90 days mine is 50% amber, if i ever do go with nev's haze i'll be flowering it 20+ weeks...if i tried to do that with og i'm pretty sure it would completely amber up and die by week 18...could be wrong though but og kush has almost the opposite high of a pure sativa...i'm sorry but i can't imagine that would do the trick at all, most sativas i've tried had a very complex high, og is kinda heavy and bland...pretty generic high, love the taste and i like to smoke it before bed but i would never use it in the same light as a pure haze...

Any real OG at 11-12 weeks would blow Nevs Haze out the water.... problem is ...most people cant grow OG right..

More like 9 out of 10 people grow OG wrong...Nevs Haze is more hype then anything...OG gets you high as fuck like real Jack Herer ..Generic high lol yeah righ dude....What fake cut did u grow out ? Ive grown 20+ week Sativas https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=3658569&postcount=81 ...Iranian ones...and lets me tell you...as insane as the high is.... still aint on par with bomb OG... at $10 a clone...you cant find better genetics...if Nevs Haze was so bomb...the Cali Market would have made a bigger fuss for it... Nevs shit was the Kill back in the day... Times have changed...way way better genetics out there today...

 

[Guest 150314]

apples and oranges

 

[RetroGrow]

I just don't get that even after all these years. I harvest at like 10% amber. Why would I want oxidized THC? That's just me though and personal preference. I've always picked anything, whether indica or sat dom, at 10% amber.

Yup. What's the point of getting herb with a high THC %, and then destroying the THC by letting the plant go amber? Unless you want sleep weed.
When I see amber, I cut.

 

[SuperConductor]

The trichome colour thing different with sativas. With pure and almost pure sats the trichs should go from clear to amber without much in the way of whiteness unless there's been some afghan in there along the way like with nev's haze. Each plant is an individual but I wouldn't be waiting for white trichs on a pure sat. I could find a link for that info but it's from another site (and i can't be bothered looking lol).

 

[Fluffy Clouds]

Any real OG at 11-12 weeks would blow Nevs Haze out the water.... problem is ...most people cant grow OG right..

More like 9 out of 10 people grow OG wrong...Nevs Haze is more hype then anything...OG gets you high as fuck like real Jack Herer ..Generic high lol yeah righ dude....What fake cut did u grow out ? Ive grown 20+ week Sativas https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=3658569&postcount=81 ...Iranian ones...and lets me tell you...as insane as the high is.... still aint on par with bomb OG... at $10 a clone...you cant find better genetics...if Nevs Haze was so bomb...the Cali Market would have made a bigger fuss for it... Nevs shit was the Kill back in the day... Times have changed...way way better genetics out there today...

ehm i know chemistry of different people can be different but it seems to me that you overhyped OG also i cant see how can be 16weeks sativadom on the cali market.. ineffective to grow.. dont you think? plus worse bagappeal... to that JH thing, JH is very strong trippy weed, but no way it can stand next to qualities of sativas...

i hope you grow at least pack of Nevilles... and i hope you grew it right

p.s. it reminds me this video, where some guy says: chem4 is 100% sativa lol some people need to read ultimate sativa thread lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycJRAnwS9c8

 

[Ras Pablo]

MexTiZa, Tom's OHaze, Golden Tiger, Panama

 

[Hemphrey Bogart]

With pure and almost pure sats the trichs should go from clear to amber without much in the way of whiteness unless there's been some afghan in there along the way like with nev's haze.

There's afghan in Neville's Haze?? Which afghan?

HB.

 

[SuperConductor]

What did Nevil cross his original haze males to?

 

[powerrobbie]

If you let any dank OG kush go flower as long it would take to bring down a dank pheno of Nevs Haze... the OG would be much more potent... Nothing makes your forhead instant sweat like OG...the lanky sativa leaning phenos...they shorter Indicas waterd down ones suck........

Nevs Haze is still insane...but overhyped compared to so many other dank strains that out there

Why would you even make the comparison of a heavy indica like the OG to nevs haze dude....they couldnt be any more opposite of eachother.....Doesn't really answer the OP's question at all.

 

[The Batman]

What did Nevil cross his original haze males to?

northern light 5 x haze A
northern light 5 x haze C
afghan x haze C
skunk#1 x haze A
skunk#1 x haze C
G13 x haze
(northern light 5 x haze A) x haze C

Bat

 

[idiit]

Since its said Haze(wich makes up a big part of the Nev.Haze) is a cross of 4 sativas (in Ex. Mexican,Colombian,Thai,Indian)

^maybe not! check out this thread on original haze genetics by big herb:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=225675

1969, the riverside SoCal surfer backcrossed his punto rojo bagseed in what might be the luckiest” accident.

During the next year the seeds produced the four varieties. I was given a description by Sams of “fruity``, “sour``,“rootbeer``,“cola``,“c hocolate`` and “hashy``. Later, a more accurate description of each variety was given. The first being Magenta, which those in the inner-circle knew as the “Rootbeer pheno``, and the rest of the world knew as “purple haze``. Then, there was the “Gold`` which was known to carry musky sandlewood and pine traits. In actuality it smelt like catpiss late in flower, and before a cure. “Blue`` and “silver`` were of the Spicy Sweet peppery type, and silver was considered strongest- all of them had a deep rich lingering after-taste. The four varieties of original haze (magenta, gold, silver, and blue) were never stable, and each year had slight variations. The leaf pattern was always the same, and the colors were not cold induced. The calyxes only showed color as the leaf were always bright green. An indicator of true haze lineage is the appearance of a red sap when you cut a true haze plant. This indicator particularly showed itself in the purple pheno. The best plants were always volunteers from the previous year’s seed droppings.

I read this and have to say it is mostly correct, a few minor points are off. I do not want to nit-pick.
In the past I have read so much crap about the Haze it was nice to see the mostly true facts for a change.
I was in all the greenhouses that G and R.L. used to grow, they were not big or fancy. G's first crop was outdoors in the Santa Cruz mountains, they used greenhouses as soon as they could. In the beginning both lived separately just a block or two from my place, I was a close friend of both.
Remember, I was given permission to use and reproduce the genes and the name the Original Haze back in the 70's. Not that most people care, but I did.
As far as I know maybe the only one with un-hybridized Haze. Only used for breeding it is amazing what happens when you use it to make Haze/Whatever hybrids, amazing.

-SamS

Hi bigherb, when you say G backcrossed his Punto rojo, do you mean he crossed progeny of a mother back to the mother, or more a case of crossing his bag seed male and females to produce seed?

Hi bigherb, the above quote represents the central theme of your article; namely that in 69 some punt rojo bag seed was accidentally backcrossed to produce the "original haze".

Backcrossing means crossing back to a previous generation; in cannabis breeding this has mainly been used to cross to a single, often recurrent, parent. However, it certainly doesn't preclude backcrossing offspring to the siblings of the plants used in the parental generation.

Hope that helps,
-Chimera

Id also like to mention Ace seeds OT haze line which holds many traits overall of the Santa Cruz haze ,this line has recieved some great Reports aswell aside from other controversy

As for all the available haze lines .I dont believe any of them to be pure Santa Cruz haze .I think they are all Hybrids both ( Thai an/or S.indian ) which was Sams efforts of preserving /saving the haze line .



1luvbigherb

Both were pure Sativa's

How i comprehend that post is in its literal form .They both were pure sativa's .Which seems to me Sams acknowledges Haze was at one point in time a pure sativa not a hybrid of the best sativa'S

according to sam the skunkman all available hazes except the one he (sam) holds (actual pr bagseed backcrosses) are actually outcrosses!

now for the speculation as to the origins of punta roja!

I know most believe that Ohaze was a combination of Four sativas but as mentioned by some Bluebeard the earlier colombians of the 60's were amongst the longets flowering plants .Colombia sits on the equator An thailand doesnt touch it at all .Soo i think some folks need to be reminded of these two points /Facts i wanst around in those days .Also to note the afro colombian influence an slaves which came to colombia .The African thought of yours is funny because how crazy would it be if that Punto Rojo originally was brought from africa


1luvbigherb

 

[porn]

Destroyer (cannabiogen), Mextiza (Canabiogen), old timer haze (ACE), Tom Hill Haze, Panama... pure old sativa high and nice exotic taste's and smell's.