cant compete with all the "domestic importation" please help

[Mrgreenharvest]

when do you harvest (how do you judge) your plants?
have you smoked what others talk of? what do you think of it if so? and what sort of high?

if people want shit thats going to knock them out on a chair, you need to get a real strong indica and let it go a bit more amber.

if people want to be buzzin then you get a sativa, bottom line find out what people want.

also are you curing your weed? how well have you got that dialed in?
4 600s, what temps are you growing in? what ppm levels on the co2?

just trying to cover a few more possible areas for improvement

 

[guest121295]

We have tons of killer cali weed around my area.If this was 25yrs ago we'd be stoked, even now its no trouble because its expensive.The best of it is still second rate to local quality selections, but not by much and its more of a handling issue. You just have to suck it up, grow better plants, make wide selections and be damn sure you test for potency, pretty won't cut it.Grow out 100 plants pick the best female after 2yrs of smoke testing or find a bunch of friends who grow for serious quality and don't screw around with beasty 45 day junk.The green rush is on get with the game or sink. I'm sinking by the way....

 

[ninjaboy28]

lower your prices?- great why didnt i think of that one !

I appreciate the responses , I let most of my plants go 8 weeks or around 70 days,I do own a microscope to look and the trics ,and I cure in glass jars with hydrometers( thanks to thread a perfect cure every time)

At this point I'm thinking about buying some new chemdog ,sour bubble , and mob boss beans run them and see if I can find what im looking for

 

[Natagonnaworrie]

I hate to say it but its true so fuck it.

You have to grow OG's (or one or two of the hot ones right now - i would say cookies and cherry pie maybe the only two i can think of right now). And you cant just name something 'OG', ppl are not stupid. Even some real OGs are getting pushed off as not top shelf and if it isnt top shelf it isnt moving.

I am sitting on a little of some really good Cheese and some Platinum OG that frankly looks dank as hell but i hear is lacking a bit in smell. The cheese on the other hand reeks and is the complete package (minus the name).

Here is a pic of some stuff that doesnt move with the first cut:

Cheese:


Platinum:


The Cheese people dont even ask to see. Its kinda funny. Anyway, the point is if it isnt an OG or OG cross then its not even going to be in in the running.

Just saying but its the sad truth.

One thing tho; every always wants to see an exotic sativa although with the yield and flower time its usually not worth it unless its just a few plants in the corner for your head

 

[ninjaboy28]

nationwide -where to get in seed form ?

 

[paladin420]

You and your clients will be Very happy with the Boss..very different..it still has the chem stank but so far not overpowering..With a nice earthy sweetness...I am being forced to take mine early at about 60 days,but you would not know it by the fall foliage and the trichs..already hav patients whinning for my GrindHouse...Dropped a nugg of US on a Vet who has his own grow with some solid genitics......guess who wants to upgrade??? good luck brudda

 

[ninjaboy28]

Sour lifesaver

 

[paladin420]

nice!!!! nothin lackin in them gurls

 

[Natagonnaworrie]

Dude your plants look really good. With the genetics and set up that you already have just stay on your grind you will eventually find the right 'outs' for your product.

In the mean time stick around IC, make friends, maybe start a grow journal. Its a journey but you will get there.

 

[weeddaddy50]

A lot of what Natagonna says is true...BUT

A lot of what Natagonna says is true...BUT

If you go down that road....most of those plants are low yielders....your chemdawg...sour boubble....are good plants...and I would look at your setup and try to dial those strains....and then grow out some beans...for test grows.

In the last 2 years I have grown out almost 30 strains on test grows....looking for that special plant that has it all.....

yield
smell
strong high
bag appel
super crystals
60 day cycle
and easy to trim

of those 30 or so strains I have found 8 worth growing again...of those....8 the 2nd time through....4 really stick out +++++I am still searching...and still growing tests....have like 4 tests strains going at all times......

My only advice is .......growing is not easy....you have to be super determined...and keep improving......read the grow logs....keep reading articles........learn.....learn.....learn....

One other thing....its very hard to do this on your own.....I have befriended....4 or 5 other people....the last 2 years...we communicate almost daily...about growing...what is happening...pics....strains...soil...hydro....curing...what the market is doing...suble changes to the market...what we hear....see....etc...etc...etc.....it makes the learning curve easier to follow.....and makes you a better grower.

Last thing I will leave you with.....Timing...is everything....for your crop.....if you need the money...to pay your bills...and the market is flooded....your in trouble....and pricing will not be very good.....if you can wait...and just keep curing...and growing....the price will come back....but for some...its hard.

I just have to laugh....when I see....Indoor on thug-trader under 2k......of course there is no pictures shown....but...its just funny.....

Good luck....keep working....you thinking is right....but keep dialing things in.

I hate to say it but its true so fuck it.

You have to grow OG's (or one or two of the hot ones right now - i would say cookies and cherry pie maybe the only two i can think of right now). And you cant just name something 'OG', ppl are not stupid. Even some real OGs are getting pushed off as not top shelf and if it isnt top shelf it isnt moving.

I am sitting on a little of some really good Cheese and some Platinum OG that frankly looks dank as hell but i hear is lacking a bit in smell. The cheese on the other hand reeks and is the complete package (minus the name).

Here is a pic of some stuff that doesnt move with the first cut:

Cheese:


Platinum:


The Cheese people dont even ask to see. Its kinda funny. Anyway, the point is if it isnt an OG or OG cross then its not even going to be in in the running.

Just saying but its the sad truth.

One thing tho; every always wants to see an exotic sativa although with the yield and flower time its usually not worth it unless its just a few plants in the corner for your head

 

[Ickis]

Hey ninjaboy I understand what you are facing. Out of curiosity what strains are you up against in your area? What are the potential customers buying that is one hit that makes them not buy yours?

You can find keepers in seeds. But you have to search through a good number to find the real keepers. That is hard to do without a lot of room. It takes time too. Plus if you can't sell it for a profit over what it cost to grow it you are losing money the whole time you are pheno searching.

Now if you live in certain areas where weed is not plentiful then most all the fems you find of good seeds will get people stoned some and the market will buy it. But if the area has a good supply of top quality weed then you have to have phenos that can compete.

You need to seek out a clone or two of known keepers. Something with some yield and something that takes a backseat to nothing, something like Chem D, The White or pre2k BB. Then you grow that as your main crop. This allows you to make some money and also lets you pop some seeds to find new keepers.

That is the best thing about elite clones. You know what you have. You always have something good to sell. You can still have fun popping new seeds but now if they are not keepers or sellable you don't take an all or nothing hit on a seed run.

I don't care who's seeds they are. You are not going to find keepers that will compete with the likes of Chem D or OG Kush ghost cut with every female you find. In fact most packs won't contain even one that will. But if lots of packs are grown there are many breeders that make seeds that something special can be found. But it takes time to find them and you can go broke doing it.

Get a good known elite. Learn to grow it well and maximize yield. Then you can have fun messing with seeds. You are very, very close to being where you want to be. I bet Christmas is good to you this year and Santa gives you a super elite clone.

might be time to work on the grow skills. import is usually shittier quality then the best locally grown. If it's grown like shit, tastes like shit and looks like shit strain or name isnt going to make any difference.

Iron_Lion did you ever hear the saying "you can not make a silk purse out of a sows ear"? It is totally true. Most traits are genetic. Yes some can be enhanced with tweaks. Potency isn't one of them. If in can be altered it is the most difficult. In fact there are actually theories that stresses like heat, underferted and underwatered actually increase potency some by increasing resin production. I don't want to discuss that in this thread but my point is grow skills are not influencing potency. Especially if you are able to grow a plant all the way through flowering and just basically keep it alive and healthy looking. So quit tossing out the "time to work on your growskills". It was insulting and misinformation.

They just ship the chemmy factory hydro beasters eastward. Nothing to really compete with..

You mean there is more demand on the east coast than there is weed available because there is just as good a quality weed on the east coast. Using myself as an example (and there are many east coast growers just like me) there is no weed coming from anywhere better than what I am turning out. And it isn't really my skills. It's my moms.

Clone only: Original Diesel, L.A. Pure Kush, pre2kBB (this is one of the best BB on earth guaranteed), Chem D, The White, Chem 4, Chocolate Trip

I also have 5 keepers I found from seeds or somebody else found in seeds that are just as good as those. I am not boasting I am just pointing out and asking a question of you schwilly. What exactly is coming from California that an east coast grower can't compete with?

 

[Ickis]

he'll my clients are screaming for more of my OUTDOOR as it is better than any local indoor they can get back east!

like I said in my other post.... NO IT'S NOT!!!!

I think my indoor and outdoor east coast grown Chem D, White and Pure Kush is just as good as the very best California bud of any kind.

One year I started 3 seeds of my own cross. Out of the 3 only one was a female. No selecting the best pheno. I grew it outside in a cornfield. It was one plant and this is what you get. It turned out real good. So I entered it in the ICmag 420 Cup. Heck I beat most people and most breeders and every single one of them enetred selected phenos or clone only elites.

Here is the proof.

http://www.icmag.com/modules/Cup/

I should have entered The White, Chem D or Pure Kush and I think I would have won. I just didn't want to toss an ounce of those away because it was my first time and I didn't think it would even get there. I was going to enter this year but there was no 420 Cup.

Everybody needs to lose the idea that the best pot only comes from a certain area. In this day and age great pot is found in almost every corner of the world. And the east coast certainly has just as good of weed as the west coast.

 

[stihgnobevoli]

pardon me but what am i looking for in that list? you did not tell us the name you entered with nor the strain in question.

 

[supermanlives]

west coast out door rules. i can grow strains i couldnt except in a greenhouse back in the northeast. everywhere has good weed its who ya know.

 

[Ickis]

Look for the grower Ickis. ????? Uranium Cranium Kush Indica category.

 

[Ickis]

Supermanlives .... I can grow Chem D, The White, Pure Kush, pre2kBB, Original Diesel and Chem 4 in a cornfield with no greenhouse required, which will be as good or better than anything anybody can grow anywhere. And there are many, many east coast growers just like me. Plus we have them indoors too. Where I grow Original Haze, Thunk and Gypsy's Thai Stick Sativa. You just need the genetics not a specific coast to live on.

Genetic Library + Green Thumb= nobody anywhere is growing anything better.

 

[groady-ho]

Hey ninjaboy I understand what you are facing. Out of curiosity what strains are you up against in your area? What are the potential customers buying that is one hit that makes them not buy yours?

You can find keepers in seeds. But you have to search through a good number to find the real keepers. That is hard to do without a lot of room. It takes time too. Plus if you can't sell it for a profit over what it cost to grow it you are losing money the whole time you are pheno searching.

Now if you live in certain areas where weed is not plentiful then most all the fems you find of good seeds will get people stoned some and the market will buy it. But if the area has a good supply of top quality weed then you have to have phenos that can compete.

You need to seek out a clone or two of known keepers. Something with some yield and something that takes a backseat to nothing, something like Chem D, The White or pre2k BB. Then you grow that as your main crop. This allows you to make some money and also lets you pop some seeds to find new keepers.

That is the best thing about elite clones. You know what you have. You always have something good to sell. You can still have fun popping new seeds but now if they are not keepers or sellable you don't take an all or nothing hit on a seed run.

I don't care who's seeds they are. You are not going to find keepers that will compete with the likes of Chem D or OG Kush ghost cut with every female you find. In fact most packs won't contain even one that will. But if lots of packs are grown there are many breeders that make seeds that something special can be found. But it takes time to find them and you can go broke doing it.

Get a good known elite. Learn to grow it well and maximize yield. Then you can have fun messing with seeds. You are very, very close to being where you want to be. I bet Christmas is good to you this year and Santa gives you a super elite clone.




Iron_Lion did you ever hear the saying "you can not make a silk purse out of a sows ear"? It is totally true. Most traits are genetic. Yes some can be enhanced with tweaks. Potency isn't one of them. If in can be altered it is the most difficult. In fact there are actually theories that stresses like heat, underferted and underwatered actually increase potency some by increasing resin production. I don't want to discuss that in this thread but my point is grow skills are not influencing potency. Especially if you are able to grow a plant all the way through flowering and just basically keep it alive and healthy looking. So quit tossing out the "time to work on your growskills". It was insulting and misinformation.



You mean there is more demand on the east coast than there is weed available because there is just as good a quality weed on the east coast. Using myself as an example (and there are many east coast growers just like me) there is no weed coming from anywhere better than what I am turning out. And it isn't really my skills. It's my moms.

Clone only: Original Diesel, L.A. Pure Kush, pre2kBB (this is one of the best BB on earth guaranteed), Chem D, The White, Chem 4, Chocolate Trip

I also have 5 keepers I found from seeds or somebody else found in seeds that are just as good as those. I am not boasting I am just pointing out and asking a question of you schwilly. What exactly is coming from California that an east coast grower can't compete with?

and where are we,those of us who are in non-mmj states, who feel we have to be so reclusive, secretive and cautious at every turn about what we do supposed to get such desirable plants from? no offense intended, but i feel to paranoid to even post pics often much less meeting some1 i've only met here or online..now, that being said, i used to live in colo and have fam in cali..visit every once in awhile, i feel i have found plants in seed form that do compete with some clone only's, i've smoked my share of kushes n sours..never was lucky enought to grow them tho..here is a f2 lavender this was jus 6 wks in..great smoke, it compares in flavor resin n potentcy.also have a chocolpe i wound'nt ever give her up.. and a few others..i do feel pheno hunting is a must if growing from seed..you can find gr8 plants that do compete..

 

[Ickis]

Hey groady-ho you are doing good with what you do. Especially when you do it all on your own. If you want elites you have to be able to take the leap of faith. You need to belong to lots of weed forums. Ones that allow open trading or trading behind the scenes via PM.

You need to go to harvestfests like the New York harvestfest. People there have clones for sale in their tents or car trunks. You take some of your good weed. Make friends and smoke it with them then possibly line up a trade.

You need to find the nonhoarders that spread the genetics around freely. You might run into people that will share with you but make you promise to not give it out. I respect those requests but mostly find the people who say if I give this to you I want you to share it with other kind deserving people in need.

 

[fabvariousk]

Well if you have 35 bucks to spend you can get 20 of my lemon or grape lazerlite seeds. I noticed Clarence relisted them on the bay.
I am currently puffing a nice selection of lemon lazerlites and it is the best weed I have ever grown/smoked!

Shit will vary from going toe-to-toe to demolishing ANYTHING out there. If you could get 20 sour diesel beans for 35 bucks you would do it right?
I bullshit on the negative.

 

[growhi]

go with something everyone likes

super lemon haze green house

lemon skunk dna and green house

blueberry ....... numurouse

pineapple express ...... this has quiet the rep


stick to fruity berry flavours and colourfull buds they always sell

as has others have said large slections are the key unless your poping 30 plus per strain your odds of finding something nice are low