The S1 Showcase

[Iron_Lion]

what are the valid points against S1's?

i'm curious, i cannot logically see how it effects the gene pool...

The only negative I could think of would be the strengthening of negative characteristics.

For instance if you are breeding with a female with the nanner factory characteristic like ECSD for instance if you self that; that characteristic is always at the fore front. Where as if you took that nanner factory female and bred it against a very stable male, the offspring might have a chance of stability based on the inheritance of stabilty from the fathers side.

The one thing at the root all this however is that in a perfect world that nanner factory female shouldn't/wouldn't be bred with, but with ECSD the postive's outshine the negative I guess.



In the male/female cross the offspring would look like this

With continued S1'ing you are only working with XX.

 

[GP73LPC]

i could see that possibility Iron Lion, thanks...

 

[joejusttyped]

Currently growing out what is supposedly an S1 from a bag of Yoda/Star Wars/OG/whatever. She's pictured on the left a few days after transplanting and a first time FIM attempt, and on the right is a (ChemD x Herijuana). So far so good, I'll be satisfied as long as she doesn't herm up on me.

 

[FiftySeeds]

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[GP73LPC]

It's a bit like a gay thing , or worse ...self-fucking ,so it's not good

what you talkin about...?

i been selfing myself since i learned how many years ago

 

[Hammerhead]

I have not had any bad results from growing any S1. I have had some outstanding S1 varieties. A perfect example is CBG Peyote Purple. This is a S1 but they found a very small amount of males(not Hermie or naners) so they could not call it a S1.. I have grown this strain allot and have not found any males or Hermie's yet..

 

[Grizz]

The only negative I could think of would be the strengthening of negative characteristics.

For instance if you are breeding with a female with the nanner factory characteristic like ECSD for instance if you self that; that characteristic is always at the fore front. Where as if you took that nanner factory female and bred it against a very stable male, the offspring might have a chance of stability based on the inheritance of stabilty from the fathers side.

The one thing at the root all this however is that in a perfect world that nanner factory female shouldn't/wouldn't be bred with, but with ECSD the postive's outshine the negative I guess.



In the male/female cross the offspring would look like this

With continued S1'ing you are only working with XX.

your correct as far as im concerned. seems a lot of the elite stuff out there is a s1 and that first og cross you showed looks off the hook, i myself love s1's, really dont have time for sorting out males although it seems we do get more herms with s1's

 

[BlueGrassToker]

Femminized seeds can encounter the very same exact problems regular male/female bred seeds can. And for the exact same reasons. The key to breeding proper feminized F1 seeds is to select the proper parental stock.
It is selection that makes or breaks any line...all this gene pool ruining stuff is rubbish.

Genetically speaking, it is much easier to breed a high grade, stable line of femminized seeds than to breed a regular male/female line. The process of choosing the very best male representative often eludes many seed offerings.
Easy to find two best fems out of a population and use them as parental stock.
Plus we get the benefit of using both as donors to see which prefers being maternal and which performs best in the paternal role.

In marketing, seed prices for fems are higher basically due to two reasons...one, it takes a reversal process that the breeder wants compensated for. And two, the public demands the product. The latter is the most powerful dynamic.

 

[sweet-emotion]

A friend of mine gave me 3 s1 seeds from a Colombian Sativa he had in his indoor room and self pollinated, and we still don't know why...i grew 3 of them, took 1 to a guerrilla place, and someone killed her...but the other 2 could finish...

 

[sweet-emotion]

A couple more...

 

[NCbuds828]

i'm totally for s1's but not if they are going to be profusely bred with.

s1's are definitely a good method of preserving your favorite cuts though. since most cuttings lose vigor over time, having some s1's handy of a cut you really like is extremely convenient.

 

[mithra]

If we are talking about breeding a plant back to itself I can definitely see problems arising after a few generations if the parent plant breed true, because you are already breeding a plant with a constricted gene pool. You would get what you get with any extreme inbreeding I would think.
Now if it was a hybridized plant, or poly hybridized, like clone only plants, which have such a huge genetic diversity, you would get lesser problems, but the results would probably be a huge number of pheno's. Some like the parents perhaps, some better or worse.
We need some one like Chimera to come in on this subject. I find the whole subject facinating, thanks for starting the thread Morphot

 

[Tropical Rain]

I WISH there was a S1 of ChemD & ECSD
Just for comparisons sake LOL
TR

 

[lost in a sea]

what you talkin about...?

i been selfing myself since i learned how many years ago

 

[Yes4Prop215]

ive grown some S1s that are straight crap, always hermies and self pollinates no matter how much reverse you spray on it...

but then some other S1s are better and might throw a pod but dont have any viable pollen...

 

[DocLeaf]

By Nature S1 (selfed seeds) are unstable in genetic lineage

Whereby, in this case, feminized (XX x XX) seeds are perhaps more stable genetically.. and better for breeding with against regular male plants in the future / long term

S1 seed may always be GREAT for sowing and growing,, but they aren't reliable as stock plants for the purpose of breeding.

Hope this helps

 

[MrDank]

so far roughly 25% of my Afkansastan S1's are better than the mother

 

[RandyCalifornia]

It seems to me S1's are a window into that certain cuts genetic character.

 

[roach]

I WISH there was a S1 of ChemD & ECSD
Just for comparisons sake LOL
TR

Chem#4 and ECSD are available as S1, just not from gypsy, so i cant tell you where to get them, but google might

 

[DocLeaf]

so far roughly 25% of my Afkansastan S1's are better than the mother

Next try breeding with them

peace n love