i was under the impression floranova was lucas in one bottle?
wisco61
Member
There is some bad info going around in here about passive vs active hydro nutes.
There is no difference. Nutrients are designed to work with different media, the grow style has nothing to do with it.
I am sure that guy is going to respond to this. Please provide a single link of a single nutrient that specifies active or passive before flying off the handle.
There is no difference. Nutrients are designed to work with different media, the grow style has nothing to do with it.
I am sure that guy is going to respond to this. Please provide a single link of a single nutrient that specifies active or passive before flying off the handle.
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Dalaihempy
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hi all well i use the same nutrients basicly CANNA Classic Canna Vega and Canna Flores best i have found have used it for years only tryed it with coco not that long ago saw great resolts so thort to use it why change something if it works.
Hi hazy i first started to use coco core and mixet the perlite in odly i came up with this way becouse i wanted to limit my need to go to a hydro store in short and wanted to head more tawards an organic hydro parth i did play around with organic hydro but reality is it didnt come close to non organic hydro.
I wanted to use as much coco core in the bucket as i could did infact try running 100% but the coco wouldnt drain into the rez fully it stayed water loged so by simply filling the rez with something other than coco core it allowed it to work as it should and still managed to run say 90% coco core.
hi indicameds Canna Vega and Canna Flores is the nutrients i like best but im sure any good nurient will work well.
pong most of my plants stand as tall as me or taller and you water as needed with nutrient rich water as directed by the nurient bottle instructions i only back off on feeding well its time to flush before harvest with plain water or if im running pure sativas or heavy sativa lines that show they dont like full feeding as they flower and with them all i do is go to 1/2 strength feeding or infact plain water with some sativas in short you feed full strength every watering unless the plant shows you other wise.
beejium well i like to use fresh medium each grow but you can but as theres not that much perlite in the mix even if you remove it shake all the medium away from the root ball and perlite gets mixet in its not that big of a deal realy
I don't see anything about passive anything here. Maybe you have a certain post in mind where Hempy says you must use passive hydro nutes..whatever those are? But it looks to me like he said any good nutrient will work.. so which is it?
Dalaihempy
Guest
Posts: n/a
hi all well i use the same nutrients basicly CANNA Classic Canna Vega and Canna Flores best i have found have used it for years only tryed it with coco not that long ago saw great resolts so thort to use it why change something if it works.
Hi hazy i first started to use coco core and mixet the perlite in odly i came up with this way becouse i wanted to limit my need to go to a hydro store in short and wanted to head more tawards an organic hydro parth i did play around with organic hydro but reality is it didnt come close to non organic hydro.
I wanted to use as much coco core in the bucket as i could did infact try running 100% but the coco wouldnt drain into the rez fully it stayed water loged so by simply filling the rez with something other than coco core it allowed it to work as it should and still managed to run say 90% coco core.
hi indicameds Canna Vega and Canna Flores is the nutrients i like best but im sure any good nurient will work well.
pong most of my plants stand as tall as me or taller and you water as needed with nutrient rich water as directed by the nurient bottle instructions i only back off on feeding well its time to flush before harvest with plain water or if im running pure sativas or heavy sativa lines that show they dont like full feeding as they flower and with them all i do is go to 1/2 strength feeding or infact plain water with some sativas in short you feed full strength every watering unless the plant shows you other wise.
beejium well i like to use fresh medium each grow but you can but as theres not that much perlite in the mix even if you remove it shake all the medium away from the root ball and perlite gets mixet in its not that big of a deal realy
I don't see anything about passive anything here. Maybe you have a certain post in mind where Hempy says you must use passive hydro nutes..whatever those are? But it looks to me like he said any good nutrient will work.. so which is it?
wisco61
Member
Does this count?
Current plant, 48 days in flower grown with Jack's Pro Hydro in a coco hempy. I think this is meant for active hydro, I better cut this down and throw it in the compost heap. Also, I used napa #8822 instead of perlite and scoria instead of hydrotron for the bottom. I guess I fucked up bad.
Robotrumble
Member
So do some people line the bottom of their hempy buckets with hydroton? I'm about to prepare mine and I have perlite, vermiculite, and hydroton and would like to know if I should use them or not.
seventhchild
Member
i use 10L hempys in my mother room. 75% turface, 25% perlite, and MG TOMATO PLANT FOOD 18-18-21 with a 400 watt PS metal halide.this setup produces 100's of cuttings per month with NO plant deficiencies. keeping it simple.
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grassott
Hi Robo. I've used hydrton in the res area before with great results. However, if I was you I'd use perl/verm mix at a ratio of about 3:1 if this is your first Hempy bucket grow. Just to keep things simple. That's what Hempy used to use before switching to coco.
What size is your bucket btw? Is it between 1-5 gallons?
Peace.
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grassott
i use 10L hempys in my mother room. 75% turface, 25% perlite, and MG TOMATO PLANT FOOD 18-18-21 with a 400 watt PS metal halide.this setup produces 100's of cuttings per month with NO plant deficiencies. keeping it simple.
Nice. As long as you're happy with your yields then it's all happy days mate. I like to keep things simple too. That's why I use passive hydro nutes and follow the instructions on the bottle.
Robotrumble
Member
I'm going to be using 2 gal. buckets for this run. I guess I can just use perl/verm mix...I was just wondering if it wouldn't hurt to use it since I have hydroton laying around.
bobman
Member
i use 10L hempys in my mother room. 75% turface, 25% perlite, and MG TOMATO PLANT FOOD 18-18-21 with a 400 watt PS metal halide.this setup produces 100's of cuttings per month with NO plant deficiencies. keeping it simple.
wow, your the first person i have head of using mg nutes. How do you like turface? I have been thinking about that medium for a while.
Robotrumble
Member
Thanks for the info guys. Sorry if this is a question that's been asked several times but what's the average height of the hole as in res. depth...I'm seeing anywhere from an inch to 2 inches from the bottom.
bobman
Member
it really does not matter. i do not allow runoff so i like the bottom of my holes about about 1 and 3/4. i think an inch is a little low.
That's why I use passive hydro nutes and follow the instructions on the bottle.
Can you elaborate on what you consider to be a good Passive Hydro Nute. I was hoping you'd comment on the nutrient regiment i posted a page or so back but....maybe just share what you like to use.
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grassott
Hi Grow Tech, no worries bro. these are my nutes...
And here's the link describing them in more detail...
http://www.atami.com/?pid=59&prid=91
I did notice your nutes post earlier but I found them a little confusing, which is why I never responded. Sorry about that.
EDIT: After re-reading your post I thought I'd make this comment. My nutes are mixed in tap water, PH'd to around 5.9. I fill up a 5L bottle of tap water and leave the top open for at least 24hrs. This helps de-chlorinate the water and brings the water to room temp, as advised by these nutes. My tap water's ph is around 7.4. so all I need is a few drops of ph down to get it to around 5.9.
After passing though the inert medium the ph will be higher, but seeing as this is a passive hydro grow method, run off ph doesn't matter IMO.
I like these Atami nutes. They're great nutes and I'm very happy with them, but when they run out I'm gonna give the Canna a try. If your current nutes are for passive hydro then you're good to go too. Hope this helps.
@robo- I'm about to run a few buckets with 2" of hydroton on the bottom. I think it will help because sometimes my vermiculite will accumulate on the bottom and slow things down. This could be an isolated "me" issue, so don't let it discourage you in doing the original hempy method (hehehe...had to)
Hempy, himself, has stated that he copped the idea for HB's from a previously existing tomato growing kit that he had. He used the same concept for MJ, instead. This shit ain't a religion and you can grow in whatever size container you choose and call it whatever you want. Hempy did. Hey Warped1, I think you should call yours "Warped Buckets" or Hempy's. It's TOTALLY up to you. Now, can we stop fucking around with semantics and see some pix or get some ACTUAL info again?
Relax folks 
As it has been said..
"The wise man learns more from the fool than the fool learns from the wise man."
thefalsediviner, Great advice about where someone should look to get "ACTUAL" info and mostly agree with what else you have said, but I disagree that we need to be careful with confusing new growers in to as many pages of this thread as we have. I don't think we should be reckless, but I for damn sure don't think we should walk on tippies toes when sharing our thoughts, ideas, and experiences. As most of us know, there is no such thing as "passive nutes." I've used Fox Farm soiless mixes, straight perlite, and now a mixture of perlite/turface; and I use the soil version of their veg nute called Grow Big as well as Big Bloom which is an organic tea to speak. No problems in growing with small soiless containers either.
This was pure perlite only fed Fox Farm Soil Grow Big while in the little container.
Different strain. This time started in a mixture of perlite and turface which I screened out. I use the larger pieces in the larger buckets. See how the hole is in the 2nd pic down there?
My buckets are for sure not OFFICIALLY hempy buckets. UNOFICIALLY, a hempy bucket is just basically a layer of still water at the bottom of the plant's medium. The medium must "wick" water upwards and the hole in the side of a typical bucket is to prevent overflow and flush out excessive nutrients. Because of the medium I'm using the bottom of the bucket and a 6'' tube that is underneath the center of each bucket, I avoid hanging too high of a water level and I re-use most runoff water.
Different mediums "wick" higher (or lower) than other mediums and this is something that makes a smaller hempy bucket different. In a 5 gallon bucket, water will wick just as high as a 2L bottle with perlite. If the "wick height" is higher than than what the medium will do then there can be problems. I found this out very early without really thinking about it while trying to clone in peat pucks, that sat in perlite, and the problem was they also sat on a layer of water. Too much water and not enough oxygen. If the layer of perlite was 2 feet tall, they would have dried out if anything.
Although there are some differences in how a "Micro-Hempy" and an "Official Hempy" might work, they both work great. Yeah, smaller containers get smaller yield than big buckets (no shit?), but bigger yeilds are had with ease with small hempy containers over small containers with soil. Who cares what they are called? Most of us are here to help someone else in need and to learn, but some of ya are just getting high off your egos. So, please... like your mother told you; if ya got nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all
As it has been said.."The wise man learns more from the fool than the fool learns from the wise man."
thefalsediviner, Great advice about where someone should look to get "ACTUAL" info and mostly agree with what else you have said, but I disagree that we need to be careful with confusing new growers in to as many pages of this thread as we have. I don't think we should be reckless, but I for damn sure don't think we should walk on tippies toes when sharing our thoughts, ideas, and experiences. As most of us know, there is no such thing as "passive nutes." I've used Fox Farm soiless mixes, straight perlite, and now a mixture of perlite/turface; and I use the soil version of their veg nute called Grow Big as well as Big Bloom which is an organic tea to speak. No problems in growing with small soiless containers either.
This was pure perlite only fed Fox Farm Soil Grow Big while in the little container.
Different strain. This time started in a mixture of perlite and turface which I screened out. I use the larger pieces in the larger buckets. See how the hole is in the 2nd pic down there?
My buckets are for sure not OFFICIALLY hempy buckets. UNOFICIALLY, a hempy bucket is just basically a layer of still water at the bottom of the plant's medium. The medium must "wick" water upwards and the hole in the side of a typical bucket is to prevent overflow and flush out excessive nutrients. Because of the medium I'm using the bottom of the bucket and a 6'' tube that is underneath the center of each bucket, I avoid hanging too high of a water level and I re-use most runoff water.
Different mediums "wick" higher (or lower) than other mediums and this is something that makes a smaller hempy bucket different. In a 5 gallon bucket, water will wick just as high as a 2L bottle with perlite. If the "wick height" is higher than than what the medium will do then there can be problems. I found this out very early without really thinking about it while trying to clone in peat pucks, that sat in perlite, and the problem was they also sat on a layer of water. Too much water and not enough oxygen. If the layer of perlite was 2 feet tall, they would have dried out if anything.
Although there are some differences in how a "Micro-Hempy" and an "Official Hempy" might work, they both work great. Yeah, smaller containers get smaller yield than big buckets (no shit?), but bigger yeilds are had with ease with small hempy containers over small containers with soil. Who cares what they are called? Most of us are here to help someone else in need and to learn, but some of ya are just getting high off your egos. So, please... like your mother told you; if ya got nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all
seventhchild
Member
i have also used maxigrow ,jacks pro,etc.. with good results...MG is just cheaper.when using hempys FOR MOTHER PLANTS just about any nute works well....thats a big part of the buckets appeal.....i top water to runoff daily,the turface does not float or break down and is reusable.it is also very cheap,grab a bag and give it a try.
i DO NOT use hempys in my flowering room....PROMIX in 6" square pots...this is a hempy thread so don't ask why...
P.S. 30 years indoor growing experience..flame my MG use at your own risk...
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