*The K.I.S.S. Method*
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you 1st need to get results before "Kickin' it up a notch"........example: if your 1st plants die from ph off, then not killing the next plant would be "Kickin' it up a notch".
do a side by side but dont bother comparing if half the expierment is done by another grower b/c there are too many variables that effect the end product.
is environment the same.......same high and low temp, rh, ventilation, mold, pm, bug infestation.
your on the right track but seem to be getting ahead of yourself. grow with the basic KISS (1 tsp maxi and tap H2o) and see how you like it then incorporate pk booster after you already have a baseline of what to expect from the genetics & nutes.
if your tap is high ppm then use 50/50 tap / ro and no need for cal/mag
if using all ro then use cal/mag.....not sure the rate to use it.
carbs / sugars or unsulphered blackstrap molassas is for the micro life in an organic medium and Salt based nutes dont support a micro life.....at least thats my understanding of why molassas is used. if you use it do it during flush.
silica is a good additive in any grow from clone to flush.
Remember this is K.I.S.S.
if you want additives the go Advanced Nutrients line but break out the cash.
one more thing.......i know you want info on additives but SOG, EVIL, IONI, TOHNITU all are more expierenced than both of us combined, went the additive rout, got consistant dank results then started using KISS with comprable results.
no need for me to expierment when others have proven basic KISS kills it.
That first posting also tells you that the whole philosophy behind the K.I.S.S. method is to keep things as simple as possible and that additives are superfluous, ...and it doesn't say shit about using liquid for veg and powder for flower, it says 1tsp of Maxibloom powder per gallon of water, period, ...then feed that too ALL your plants, mothers, vegging plants and those in flower, thats the whole fucking point!
...and sorry if I hurt your feelings grasshopper but HUNTING for answers is way easier, faster and more fruitful than WAITING for them, especially in regards to the fundamentals, thats how you pay your dues and earn respect, by finding the answers to the simple questions that have been asked MANY times on your own.
...so thats my lesson to you, 'give a man a fish and he eats that day, teach a man to fish and he eats every day'.
...and feel free to do a side-by-side test, ...and sharing your results would be another way to pay your dues and earn respect.
SOG
I call bullshit on that one son, lol, as evidenced by your asking about Floralicious+ and getting an answer from dubwise, a well respected grower who has used the K.I.S.S. method for years, ...and then you ask it again, lol, I guess you'll just keep asking until someone gives you the answer you seem to want to hear.
SOG
if your tap is high ppm then use 50/50 tap
What wd you consider high? What wd. ya consider to be a total ppm of water to start with going in then?Either Tap water by itself or 50/50 as you say?
Someother guy LoL I take my info from experience growers who have been growing for the past 20 plus years....They keep it simple as well BUT know how to Kick it up some for some Better results than just the basics like adding one or 2 additives thats it... I don`t get your ideals that one has tyo stick with ONE and only one Nute... Ya can`t say that adding one or two units Can`t help out some
Btw I am not your SON...Perhaps old enough to be your GrandFather!
What wd you consider high? What wd. ya consider to be a total ppm of water to start with going in then?Either Tap water by itself or 50/50 as you say?
Someother guy LoL I take my info from experience growers who have been growing for the past 20 plus years....They keep it simple as well BUT know how to Kick it up some for some Better results than just the basics like adding one or 2 additives thats it... I don`t get your ideals that one has tyo stick with ONE and only one Nute... Ya can`t say that adding one or two units Can`t help out some
Btw I am not your SON...Perhaps old enough to be your GrandFather!
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my tap is ~400 ppm....not sure what yr asking but yes use a 50/50 tap/h20 if you have a high ppm from tap.
dont own an ec / ppm meter but you want 0 ppm before adding nutes but using tap or tap/ro you will not be at 0 ppm.
dont own an ec / ppm meter but you want 0 ppm before adding nutes but using tap or tap/ro you will not be at 0 ppm.
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i have to use 50/50 tap / rain water b/c there is so much bleach / chlorine in my h20.
turn the shower on and you can smell bleach in the livingroom......my county said fuck purifying the water, just add more chlorine.
fill a 5 gal bucket with tap, add airstone, bubble 24+ hr and there is still a strong bleach smell. forget making ice tea, shit taste nasty. brushing your teeth w/bleach h20 is a Redneck Tooth Whitening regime. ya gotta love backwoods redneck florida.
turn the shower on and you can smell bleach in the livingroom......my county said fuck purifying the water, just add more chlorine.
fill a 5 gal bucket with tap, add airstone, bubble 24+ hr and there is still a strong bleach smell. forget making ice tea, shit taste nasty. brushing your teeth w/bleach h20 is a Redneck Tooth Whitening regime. ya gotta love backwoods redneck florida.
michmedclones
Member
Whatever you say SOG. Thanks for no help, to who answered thank you, I'll skip the grow journal it was going to be a controlled grow journal, side by side in the same area not two different growers I don't know how you can do a side by side with two fully different enviroments and growers but I'll skip posting it on here since a simple question was too much to answer. Other people on here have been nothing but helpful, this is the first grow were setting up vert and bobblehead and other were more then happy to answer questions, guess thats not the case with KISS. Got it down guys, forget I asked a question and go back to shooting down every question in the thread. If you can't ask a question, why not just lock the thread? It doesn't make sense, I think you need to smoke a bit more SOG you're pretty attacking to be a mellow guy like you should be, makes everything a lot easier.
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your post said "Another Grower"........gotta go with what i read.
its not SOG being a dick but understand that there are many noobs, not saying YOU, that want someone to tell them how to do it instead of doing some reading.............THE STICKEYS.
lazy people who want others to tell them instead of showing initiative and attempting to learn usually dont do well here.
all you need to know can be found by Filtering ANY thread by a member You find credible. ex: click Ioni name and filter thread by Ioni and BAM.........nothing but Ioni's post / advice.
Ioni picked this up from Evilme who picked it up from Dongle.........info is passed and posted for those interested in learning and when it comes to long threads its can become a PITA to search the good info but we all deal with it........and some have little patients for those asking obvious / basic questions or not heading good advice given by others.
Sometimes it's very obvious that someone didn't do any reading or research at all, and that's what get's old in a hurry. Not saying it was anyone here in the past few days, just in general. This really is a good place to be and you'll get help. Grow safe guys and gals 
Rolling J Ranch
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Ya' all can take this for what it's worth. I'm not singling out any particular post or member for criticism. I'm simply relating what I experienced first hand by putting in the time to 'Read The F&%king Manual,' so to speak.
Back in April, I read this thread completely. As of this morning I've read each and every one of 1529 posts. I read many posts a multiple of times to be sure I grasped the concepts presented therein.
I also read posts that stunned me via their level of gross ignorance of the information contained in the thread, general laziness, etc.
Based solely on what I learned in this thread, I switched from GH 3 part to KISS two weeks into my first ever grow. As my plants showed me what they wanted/needed I made the necessary adjustments. In my case it was adding Cal-Mag cause my tap water is all of 70 ppm and Silica Blast rather than bottled chemicals to correct pH in newly mixed solution.
What I didn't do was try to re-invent the wheel. As a new grower I knew better than to attempt to second guess what obviously worked really well for folks generously contributing to this thread.
IOW, I didn't come here to ask anyone to hand me a shortcut to doing the research. I READ the damned thread for myself. Took what I learned and applied it.
For example, no additional supplements meant just that. While sorely tempted to add Maxi-Grow during flower, in the end I added nothing to the basic formula.
What else didn't I do? I didn't waste anyone's valuable time asking stupid questions since the answers were already here. I know there here cause I LOOKED for them!
I run a two plant SCROG in a 31" X 59" (13 sq. ft.) tent.
After harvest, trim and a four week cure in glass, I ended up with an accurately weighed 19 oz of AK-47. It was 'tested' on a variety of 'lab rats' ranging from 30-60+ years of age. All have said the same. It's quality reefer.
I earned back all my expenses incurred in setting up the grow and the run itself. That includes my outrageous California electric bill.
From the perspective of being a wildly happy first time KISS grower; If you have not done the necessary research ON YOUR OWN and you ask a question that's already been answered multiple times, or you want any of the real experts here to hold your teensy wittle hand cause you're too blazed to read the thread, you should fully expect to have your ass handed to you. Further if you're that lazy you deserve it!
Plain & Simple: KISS works! More importantly it ain't 'Rocket Surgery'. Read the thread and you'll know all that's needed.
If you're not willing to do that one simple thing, maybe you ought to take up knittin'?
Back in April, I read this thread completely. As of this morning I've read each and every one of 1529 posts. I read many posts a multiple of times to be sure I grasped the concepts presented therein.
I also read posts that stunned me via their level of gross ignorance of the information contained in the thread, general laziness, etc.
Based solely on what I learned in this thread, I switched from GH 3 part to KISS two weeks into my first ever grow. As my plants showed me what they wanted/needed I made the necessary adjustments. In my case it was adding Cal-Mag cause my tap water is all of 70 ppm and Silica Blast rather than bottled chemicals to correct pH in newly mixed solution.
What I didn't do was try to re-invent the wheel. As a new grower I knew better than to attempt to second guess what obviously worked really well for folks generously contributing to this thread.
IOW, I didn't come here to ask anyone to hand me a shortcut to doing the research. I READ the damned thread for myself. Took what I learned and applied it.
For example, no additional supplements meant just that. While sorely tempted to add Maxi-Grow during flower, in the end I added nothing to the basic formula.
What else didn't I do? I didn't waste anyone's valuable time asking stupid questions since the answers were already here. I know there here cause I LOOKED for them!
I run a two plant SCROG in a 31" X 59" (13 sq. ft.) tent.
After harvest, trim and a four week cure in glass, I ended up with an accurately weighed 19 oz of AK-47. It was 'tested' on a variety of 'lab rats' ranging from 30-60+ years of age. All have said the same. It's quality reefer.
I earned back all my expenses incurred in setting up the grow and the run itself. That includes my outrageous California electric bill.
From the perspective of being a wildly happy first time KISS grower; If you have not done the necessary research ON YOUR OWN and you ask a question that's already been answered multiple times, or you want any of the real experts here to hold your teensy wittle hand cause you're too blazed to read the thread, you should fully expect to have your ass handed to you. Further if you're that lazy you deserve it!
Plain & Simple: KISS works! More importantly it ain't 'Rocket Surgery'. Read the thread and you'll know all that's needed.
If you're not willing to do that one simple thing, maybe you ought to take up knittin'?
IwannatokeNbone
Member
keeping it simple never meant maxi bloom is all u need. this thread is boring n im pretty sure the smoke from maxi grown erb with no additives or sugars or humic or fulvic acids or rock dust, or kelps is pretty dull as well, doesnt anybody else have a keep it simple method beyond this swag nute? C L m aka convientant larf method is what i call it.
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if it doesnt work for you then good thing there is 1000 ways to acheve dank results.
boring smoke, not sure on that but i wish we could all bring some to the table to see if any difference can be detected.
regardless of opinion KISS has never meant that this is the only simple nute formula just an alternative. if you need a ton of ammendments / additives thats fine, some want to achieve comprable results with one nutrient (1 tsp maxi / gal tap).
maxi works best for me b/c i have many strains on a prepetual harvest and not having to mix diff. nutes for the various stages of growth from rooted clone to harvest is why i use KISS and the only additive used is silica blast.
saying maxi grown bud is boring w/o ever smoking any shows how much Credibility that statment has.
just keeping it real
boring smoke, not sure on that but i wish we could all bring some to the table to see if any difference can be detected.
regardless of opinion KISS has never meant that this is the only simple nute formula just an alternative. if you need a ton of ammendments / additives thats fine, some want to achieve comprable results with one nutrient (1 tsp maxi / gal tap).
maxi works best for me b/c i have many strains on a prepetual harvest and not having to mix diff. nutes for the various stages of growth from rooted clone to harvest is why i use KISS and the only additive used is silica blast.
saying maxi grown bud is boring w/o ever smoking any shows how much Credibility that statment has.
just keeping it real
LOL @ Rolling J! Right on brother!
LOL @ tokenbone. Just...LOL.
LOL @ tokenbone. Just...LOL.
ROTFLMFAO, ...if you are unhappy with the show we will gladly refund you your ticket price on your way out, ...maybe you can find yourself an exciting new additive to play with, lol.
SOG
what a maroon!
