Why Not Push Obama Back In Terms He Understands?

[resinryder]

I posted this in another thread. You want shit to change this is the ONLY way it ever will seeing that Obama has made California ground zero for MMJ-
Everyone involved in the California mmj program, from dispensaries, growers, and consumers need to band together as a whole and send a clear and concise message to da King. that message being-If you keep on fucking with mmj we as a whole will not vote for you in the upcoming election. You guys have enough people involved in mmj that if banded together you are a substantial voting block that can and will make a difference. He'd bend over backward to kill your collective asses if this was done and would make his minions quit this shit if he sees he's gonna lose the electoral votes at California would otherwise afford him. But hey, getting stoners to vote in a huge block is hard enough.
He doesn't care about what you think but he does care about large voting blocks!
Thoughts?

 

[dagnabit]

there are not enough free thinkers among us...

to many still believe he is somehow different.

 

[Smokin Joe]

Not just cali, but the entire usa needs to band together. Hobama already knows he doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hell of re election. He has already pissed of 80% of the folks that did vote for him. Kinda like these hillbilly red necks here that vote for sheriff. Arrest any that may vote for some 1 else so they can't vote. That's how it's done here I have learned.

 

[paladin420]

there are not enough free thinkers among us...

to many still believe he is somehow different.

Dad told me years ago 'Hope in one hand. crap in the other see which one fills up first''' nothin has 'changed'

 

[growinthehills]

I think we need to let obama know too... but I don't think the republicans will treat mmj any better than obama unless ron paul wins the republican ticket. There were raids when bush was in office too. I'm down for the cause just not voting for Cain, Perry or Romney!

 

[dagnabit]

I think we need to let obama know too... but I don't think the republicans will treat mmj any better than obama unless ron paul wins the republican ticket. There were raids when bush was in office too. I'm down for the cause just not voting for Cain, Perry or Romney!

ill take bush's raids over obama's anyday!!!

the big O has done what shrub couldn't in 8 years!

 

[zymos]

Scene has grown exponentially in 8 years- there's no way to make a comparison...

 

[dagnabit]

lmao!!
sure you can..
how many threats did landlords receive?

did you see the mass closures you are seeing now?
how about DOJ threatening advertisers?

this version of bush is much worse for MMJ. on everything else he is the exact same...

 

[m314]

Obama's justice department might be doing more damage than Bush ever did, but I don't see anything improving if one of the mainstream Republicans is elected. Romney or Cain will probably push even harder to shut down the mmj movement. Obama might have pissed off millions of people in California, but he will probably win California anyway. I just can't see someone like Romney winning this state. It will suck if the 2 major candidates are both staunchly anti-mmj. Who do we vote for then? If Ron Paul doesn't get the Republican nomination, I'll vote for the Libertarian candidate. Who might be lucky to get 1% of the vote nationwide.

 

[zymos]

As sucky as Obama may be, anyone who thinks the next POTUSA is going to be any more mj friendly is simply delusional.

 

[tenthirty]

This isn't about being MMJ friendly. This is about states rights vs federal.

 

[m314]

This isn't about being MMJ friendly. This is about states rights vs federal.

That's true. Lots of politicians claim to stand for state's rights, though. It's rare to find someone who actually stands up for states rights when some states disagree with their personal opinion on an issue. I don't see any non-MMJ friendly candidates right now who would stand up for the rights of states to set their own MMJ laws.

Most Republican politicians say they support state's rights to set their own laws, yet most of them want to force federal law on everyone for certain issues (drugs, gay rights, etc). Ron Paul is one of the few that really seems to mean what he says. He'd support the right of a state to set its own laws on an issue even if he disagreed with the specifics of the issue.

 

[zenoonez]

Not just cali, but the entire usa needs to band together. Hobama already knows he doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hell of re election. He has already pissed of 80% of the folks that did vote for him. Kinda like these hillbilly red necks here that vote for sheriff. Arrest any that may vote for some 1 else so they can't vote. That's how it's done here I have learned.

You are hoping that Ann Coulter isn't right eh? All depends on who is nominated.

 

[jburns]

you guys need to realize that voting will not change anything. the president is merely a figurehead, just a new mascott every couple of years to keep the public feeling good about what they learned in gradeschool.

im thinking corporate u.s. is more afraid of farming hemp and its implications than cannabis.

 

[AWAKE]

What he said...

What he said...

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

there are not enough free thinkers among us...

to many still believe he is somehow different.

And some of us recognize differences where they lie, even if it's outside the realm of legalization. Based on his statements I never put much faith in Obama's machinations on weed.

ill take bush's raids over obama's anyday!!!

the big O has done what shrub couldn't in 8 years!

Interesting. I mean, if you're getting raided and all does it really matter who's in the chair?

lmao!!
sure you can..
how many threats did landlords receive?

did you see the mass closures you are seeing now?
how about DOJ threatening advertisers?

this version of bush is much worse for MMJ. on everything else he is the exact same...

Yeah, O's arguably the worst on weed.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Obama's justice department might be doing more damage than Bush ever did, but I don't see anything improving if one of the mainstream Republicans is elected. Romney or Cain will probably push even harder to shut down the mmj movement. Obama might have pissed off millions of people in California, but he will probably win California anyway. I just can't see someone like Romney winning this state. It will suck if the 2 major candidates are both staunchly anti-mmj. Who do we vote for then? If Ron Paul doesn't get the Republican nomination, I'll vote for the Libertarian candidate. Who might be lucky to get 1% of the vote nationwide.

I posted a new thread in the politics section detailing the Republican candidates' stances on weed. Apparently it didn't make the cut. If the op doesn't mind I'll post the article here, no sense in making a new thread.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

What Republican Presidential Candidates Say About Legalizing Marijuana

First Posted: 10/21/11 11:28 AM ET - Updated: 10/21/11 05:15 PM ET

WASHINGTON -- Fifty percent of Americans favor legalizing marijuana, according to a recently released Gallup poll. That number, up from just 36 percent in 2006, marks a record high and could have significant implications for candidates on the campaign trail, advocates say.

Republican presidential candidate Gary Johnson has already come out in favor of legalizing marijuana, announcing on Wednesday that he would even consider issuing a full presidential pardon for anyone serving a prison sentence for a nonviolent marijuana crime. Such pardons are part of what he envisions as a broader "rational drug policy."

"Pot smokers may be the largest untapped voting bloc in the country," he said in an interview with Outside Magazine. "A hundred million Americans have smoked marijuana. You think they want to be considered criminals?"

Though Johnson has been excluded from recent GOP debates and polls show he garners less than 1 percent of the national vote, recent surveys suggest that, if current trends persist, legalization of marijuana could indeed become a hot-button topic by election 2016.

Support for legalization is as high as 62 percent among Americans under the age of 30, and Gallup has found that Americans are especially likely to favor legalizing marijuana for medicinal purposes. According to a Gallup survey last year, 70 percent favored making it legal for doctors to prescribe marijuana to reduce pain and suffering.

What's more, Republicans could exploit pot advocates' anger at President Barack Obama, who as a candidate promised to maintain a hands-off approach toward pot clinics adhering to state law. At a 2007 town hall meeting in Manchester, N.H., Obama said raiding patients who use marijuana for medicinal purposes "makes no sense." At another town hall in Nashua, N.H., he said the Justice Department prosecuting medical marijuana users was "not a good use of our resources." Yet the number of Justice Department raids on marijuana dispensaries has continued to rise.

"The fact that presidential candidates are now actively pointing out the need to end marijuana prohibition, combined with the new Gallup poll showing that more Americans support legalization than oppose it, shows that the time for reform has arrived," said Tom Angell, spokesman for the legalization advocacy group Law Enforcement Against Prohibition, in an email to HuffPost.

With so many Americans in support of legalization, how long can the rest of the Republican presidential field stay silent on the issue? HuffPost has compiled a slideshow highlighting GOP candidates' positions.

Ron Paul

Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) has called for an end to the war on drugs, insisting that marijuana laws should be set not by the federal government but by the states. In June, he teamed up with Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) to introduce legislation removing marijuana from the list of federally regulated substances. Though essentially dead upon arrival, the bill helps to illuminate Paul's views.

Gary Johnson

Long-shot GOP presidential candidate Gary Johnson has argued repeatedly for legalizing marijuana and says that he would consider issuing a full presidential pardon for anyone serving a prison sentence for a nonviolent marijuana crime.

The former New Mexico governor has been open with the media about his own experiences smoking pot. Johnson told The 420 Times that "marijuana really helped [him] deal" with the pain after a paragliding accident in 2005, and in an interview with The New Republic he joked, "I never exhaled."

He also maintains that his position is viable politically. "Pot smokers may be the largest untapped voting bloc in the country," he said in an interview with Outside Magazine. "A hundred million Americans have smoked marijuana. You think they want to be considered criminals?"

Mitt Romney

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney has stated his opposition to medical cannabis. Asked about the issue during the 2008 presidential campaign, he replied, "I don't want marijuana to be used in our country. I'm not going to legalize marijuana."

Michele Bachmann

Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) has made no public statements on marijuana legalization, although she did vote against House Amendment 674, "State and Federal Medical Marijuana Law Enforcement and Implementation," under which the Justice Department would be barred from using certain government funds to prevent states from implementing their own cannabis laws.

Rick Perry

In his book, "Fed Up," Texas Gov. Rick Perry wrote that medical marijuana laws should be decided at the state level.

In September, Jennifer Rubin of the Washington Post interviewed Perry's spokesman on the subject. The spokesman said, "The Governor does not support legalizing any drug. The Governor supports federal drug laws where appropriate. And while the Governor is personally opposed to legalizing the use of medical marijuana, if states want to allow doctor prescribed medical marijuana, it seems to him that under the 10th amendment, they have the right to do so."

Newt Gingrich

Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich has been outspoken in his opposition to legalizing marijuana. He sponsored the Drug Importer Death Penalty Act of 1996, under which importing more than two ounces of certain illegal substances into the country can be punishable by life imprisonment or death.

Rick Santorum

Former Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) has admitted to using marijuana in college, but now supports harsher penalties for a host of drug-related crimes.

Politicians who have stumbled personally, he argues, are still able to make values-based arguments. "I don't think that's hypocritical," Santorum said in an interview with the National Review.

Herman Cain

Businessman Herman Cain has not given a public statement on medical marijuana, dodging questions on the issue during the 2011 Ames Straw Poll. Watch it here.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/...arijuana_n_1023838.html#s425305&title=Related









*** - Here's a little on Buddy Roemer.

Roemer co-sponsored H.R.2232, amendment to the Controlled Substances Act, which transfers marihuana from schedule I (abuse potential, no accepted medical use) to schedule II (accepted medical use) under such Act. Establishes procedures for the production and use of medical marihuana. Permits the distribution of medical marihuana only to hospitals and pharmacies registered to dispense schedule II controlled substances for the purposes of treating glaucoma or cancer or approved research.

http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Buddy_Roemer_Drugs.htm

 

[ShroomDr]

This isn't about being MMJ friendly. This is about states rights vs federal.

Really it needs to be about MMJ and common sense. 'States rights' were settled in April 1865.

The easiest MMJ argument is to ask if MJ gives someone the munchies, and if munchies would be good thing for cancer and AIDS patients who cant maintain body weight.

Explain that Anhesiewer Bush is the biggest contributor to the federal antidrug campaign, and that alcohol kills 10x more people a year than Coke and Heroin combined. MJ kills no one. They fund the campaign to keep their drug as top billing.

 

[trem0lo]

All y'all hoping that Ron Paul wins the Republican nomination better get off your asses and register Republican to vote for him in your state's primary. Otherwise you have no right to complain when Obama or the next establishment politician is elected and continues the status quo, which is more funding for the drug war.