Vaporizer Advice

[OGShush]

Has anyone here tried the Aromed 4.0? A guy walked into the place I used to work at and was trying to sell a used one. He wanted 175 for it, and we said we'd let him leave it there and we'd call him when it sold. I spent all day drooling over it, and trying to pretend I had money. He came back about 4 hours later and said his friend had called with the cash in hand. Since then I've always wondered what could have been....

 

[Truthman]

It's not just about blocking airflow but also keeping the temperature absolute. When you pack your bowl like that you lower the temperature inside the bowl so when you expect a certain temperature you will get a much lower one due to the plant fibers not holding the heat until after a while. This is the reason why grinding real good is needed because it helps keep the plant fibers from releasing the heat fast and not holding on to it. Remember the plant fibers are good at keeping cool outside when they are growing and they are dense and whole.

Loading a small bowl where the air can circulate evenly and it doesn't cool off too much in the beginning allows for a more proper extraction because you have a good idea what the temperature actually is inside the chamber whereas when it's packed you don't know and if you didn't grind good and evenly you really don't know. So it may seem like the vaporizer gives a weak high but in reality it was human error just like condoms, most people break condoms because of themselves and not using it right(not enough lube on the condom or the chick dries up, using nails to touch the condom, an old one, heat from being in the wallet making it weak) and not the manufacturer or the condom itself. Even volcano makers themselves tell you to not pack the bowl. They made it wide and big so the air can circulate.

 

[Truthman]

Has anyone here tried the Aromed 4.0? A guy walked into the place I used to work at and was trying to sell a used one. He wanted 175 for it, and we said we'd let him leave it there and we'd call him when it sold. I spent all day drooling over it, and trying to pretend I had money. He came back about 4 hours later and said his friend had called with the cash in hand. Since then I've always wondered what could have been....

Yeah, it's a top notch vaporizer being that it's very accurate in temperature and adjust temperature according to your inhale. It also is claimed to calculate the temperature inside the bowl and adjust to make sure the temperature is what you dialed in. Other vaporizer don't hold heat very well when you inhale or if they do they don't have temperature control so you don't know what temperature your vaping at.

The only negative is the glass is fragile and you can't hit it hard like a bong but that isn't really an issue for me. I do want to get the vapexhale so I can hit a vape like a bong because that holds heat very well, the only thing is it doesn't have temperature control which makes sense being that the bowl is designed to be packed tight which will lower the atmospheric pressure inside when inhaling allowing for extraction of substances at cooler temperatures so even though the temperature of the heater will state one thing the actual temperature within the bowl will be another but I still like to know what temperature I'm vaping at so I can know what substances are vaped and what aren't so the Aromed is still my baby. Taste can't help you because thc is tasteless,odorless and colorless as well as other substances in plants that I want to start vaping but I do know where they start to boil at(google is lovely) and thc starts to vape at around 392f so having a accurate temperature is essential when I want to be precise for high and health.

 

[nugghead]

I just used a silver surfer for the first time - and man does that first drag on the whip pack a punch. Thick vapor, very easy to inhale so you don't really feel like you're doing anything. Like ShroomDr said, you take a pull on it, go sit down and then when you get up you're fuxxored. I packed it with about a 1/3rd what I've been putting in joints, didn't even fully vape it, and had the spins and had to lay down for an hour.

Actually that was like 6 hours ago and I am having trouble typing this. So yeah, watch out. Next time I'm going to try just covering the screen.

 

[headiez247]

Has anyone here tried the Aromed 4.0? A guy walked into the place I used to work at and was trying to sell a used one. He wanted 175 for it, and we said we'd let him leave it there and we'd call him when it sold. I spent all day drooling over it, and trying to pretend I had money. He came back about 4 hours later and said his friend had called with the cash in hand. Since then I've always wondered what could have been....

That is a steal of a price for a used one. The Aromed is def amazing and is the really only true competitor of the Volcano. I love the way the thing looks lol.

 

[ShroomDr]

It's not just about blocking airflow but also keeping the temperature absolute. When you pack your bowl like that you lower the temperature inside the bowl so when you expect a certain temperature you will get a much lower one due to the plant fibers not holding the heat until after a while.

Smoke another one Bill Nye.

First of all, any 'alleged' lower temp zone could be EASILY compensated for by a slightly higher temp.

As it is, im pretty sure my 'manual volcano' seems to be tuned towards the lower end of the spectrum. Great bud starts clouding my bag @4.5 (some slightly lower).

Grinding the material is important as it creates the best possible surface area for the heat to pass though. My chamber, when not overly packed has been measured @ ~1.3g. It was probably one of my denser stoney-er offerings.

I normally run my chamber 5X. Once @ 4.5, 5, 5.5, 6, one quick stir of the chamber with a paper clipand then once more at 7 (a haphazard stir can move particulate into the airway; this must be avoided).

After that all the magic seems gone.

The ball busters appear to be out this weekend.

 

[Truthman]

It can't easily be compensated by raising the temperature because, depending on how much you put in there, it will eventually raise to the desired temperature but it will most likely be towards the end of the bag and your vapor will not be mostly what it should be.

I'm not alleging this , I read a scientific report showing this. Why do you think the norml report on vaporizing that came out a couple years ago showed more thc was released when the volcano bowl was loaded with a small amount of material compared to the bigger one.

I'm not going to go back and forth with you because I think we went through this before and you obviously don't want to hear it but I will give you the study.

http://stash.norml.org/new-study-examines-cannabis-vaporization

Also, another thing that I think is important to notice is that the vaporizer had more thc than the cigarette BUT in actual use you are getting more thc into your body than smoking because when you smoke you are taking in damn near all of the plant except the ash which means your body is taking in less thc plus you exhale a lot of the smoke so this means even less thc goes into the boy whereas when you vape you leave most of the plant behind and can hold the vapor in more easily and you can take in smaller hits to utilize and absorb nearly all of the vapor. This means you are getting WAY more thc and other cannabinoids than if you were to smoke. So vaporizing blows smoking out of the water WHEN IT'S DONE PROPERLY and vaping only with the volcano knob at 4-6 and doing one bag at 7(331f-396f) you are missing a shitload of thc and you really are missing it if you load a bowl with 1.3 grams due to very little thc extraction compared to how much is being vaped.

 

[BudToaster]

Yeah, it's a top notch vaporizer being that it's very accurate in temperature and adjust temperature according to your inhale. It also is claimed to calculate the temperature inside the bowl and adjust to make sure the temperature is what you dialed in. Other vaporizer don't hold heat very well when you inhale or if they do they don't have temperature control so you don't know what temperature your vaping at.

i have come to believe that accurate temperature control is the most important aspect of a vaporizer. So i agree with what Truthman is saying.

i also think that in addition to the plant material absorbing heat there is some evaporative cooling going on as the trichomes melt and release their vapor.

my vape regulates the temperature of the heater coil (16ga nichrome 80) and has no problem maintaining 0.5°F accuracy regardless of the amount of air flowing through. However, the displayed temperature is the temperature of the glass oven (which is wrapped by the heater coil), and it is consistently 5°F lower than the heater at the start of the vape session and rises as the trichomes are consumed and the vapor thins out. i'm guessing evaporative cooling, but perhaps it is heat saturation of the plant material.

So there is a lot going on temperature-wise in the middle of the herb. i've put a probe into the herb and it is 30°F cooler than the heater temperature until taking a hit -- then the temperature rises to match the heater temperature. Then it drops back down. This is with the herb in the center of the heater coil -- some conductive heating, but obviously not too much.

And i never grind. i need to have the herb standing as open to the air flow as possible -- to expose the trichomes to the hot air. i do stir once (or twice) and that releases more vapor.

 

[Herborizer]

Arizer Solo is the best vape I have ever used. Really, people need to try this thing out. Its amazing. Even though it's a portable, it gives better clouds than any vaporizer I have ever tried. My Arizer Extreme Q sits in the closet collecting dust now.

 

[Clive]

Yeah Iv read nothing but great things about the arizer solo I really want one. I wish I got that one instead of that iolite. The Arizer solo has an accurate temp with good selection starting low. This for me looks like the ultimate in portable vapes.

 

[ShroomDr]

it will eventually raise to the desired temperature but it will most likely be towards the end of the bag and your vapor will not be mostly what it should be.

HUH...

So you agree it makes it to the bag, you just dont find it to be 'quality' or 'what it should be'?



At this point your name is just as annoying as your assertions.



IF the temp inside the chamber ends up 5-10 degrees less than what the outside of the cano says it is, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS UP THE TEMP AGAIN.

A single stir at the end of the chambers 'lifetime' will allow any left over THC or terpines to volatilize in the final balloon filling.

This isnt rocket science. Common sense > incorrectly applied (and poorly documented) charts.

 

[ShroomDr]

Re-reading what was said, and to put it another way...

I think youre telling me, "Your first bag is not as potent as it could be".

And im telling you, "My first bags are potent enough, and according to your assertions, my 'later bags' are MORE potent than yours. You also pack your cano more often than me."

Different strokes i guess.





(FWIW The link to those charts says nothing about how the information was collected.

When you burn a MJ cigarette, it is 'one and done', i fill 'turkey size' oven bags 5-6x with one volcano chamber, slowly raising the temp. I would love to know how exactly they collected the volcano samples, because i bet its not how I use it.)

 

[Green Supreme]

Temps to vape you herbs. Peace GS

LOW TEMPERATURE: up to 150C (302F)

Angelica: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F)
Black Horehound: 100C to 125C (212F to 257F)
Blue Lotus: 100C to 125C (212F to 257F)
Calea: 100C to 125C (212F to 257F)
Chamomile: 100C to 125C (212F to 257F)
Clove: 125C to 150C (257F to 302F)
Corn Silk: 100C to 125C (212F to 257F)
Dandelion: 125C to 150C (257F to 302F)
Goldenrod: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F)
Gotu Kola: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F)
Horsetail: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F)
Hyssop: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F)
Lavender: 100C to 125C (212F to 257F)
Meadowsweet: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F)
Motherwort: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F)
Passionflower: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F)
Peppermint: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F)
Purslane: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F)
Rue: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F)
Sage: 125C to 150C (257F to 302F)
Saint John’s Wort: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F)
Thyme: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F)
Tobacco: 125C to 150C (257F to 302F)
Wormwood: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F)
Yarrow: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F)
Yerba Mate: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F)


MEDIUM TEMPERATURE: up to 170C (347F)

Anise: 150C to 170C (302F to 347F)
Caraway: 150C to 170C (302F to 347F)
Cat's Claw: 150C to 170C (302F to 347F)
Coffee: 150C to 170C (302F to 347F)
Comfrey: 150C to 170C (302F to 347F)
Damiana: 150C to 170C (302F to 347F)
Ephedra: 125C to 170C (257F to 347F) *use sparingly / increases heart rate*
Fennel: 150C to 170C (302F to 347F)
Feverfew: 125C to 170C (257F to 347F)
Hawthorn: 125C to 170C (257F to 347F)
Ginkgo: 125C to 170C (257F to 347F)
Guarana: 125C to 170C (257F to 347F)
Lion's Tail: 150C to 170C (302F to 347F)
Milk Thistle: 125C to 170C (257F to 347F)
Mugwort: 150C to 170C (302F to 347F)
Prickly Poppy: 150C to 170C (302F to 347F)
Red Poppy: 125C to 170C (257F to 347F)
Saw Palmetto: 125C to 170C (257F to 347F)
Sweet Flag: 150C to 170C (302F to 347F)


HIGH TEMPERATURE: up to 185C (365F)
Amanita Muscaria: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F) *purity important*
Barberry: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F)
Burdock: 150C to 185C (302F to 365F)
Cannabis: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F)
Couch Grass: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F)
Evening Primrose: 150C to 185C (302F to 365F)
Fringe Tree: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F)
Garlic: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F)
Ginger 170C to 185C (338F to 365F)
Ginseng: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F)
Hops: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F)
Kava Kava: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F) *use sparingly*
Kola Nut: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F)
Kratom: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F)
Licorice: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F)
Maca Root: 150C to 185C (302F to 365F)
Marshmallow: 150C to 185C (302F to 365F)
Sida Cordifolia: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F)
Sinichuichi (Mayan Sun Opener): 170C to 185C (338F to 365F)
Turmeric: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F)
Valerian: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F)
Wattle Gum Leaf: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F)
Wild Yam: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F)
Yohimbe: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F)

ALWAYS start at the lower end of the temperature range and move up from there IF necessary. Most of the time, you can successfully vaporize at the lowest temp in the range.

ULTRA HIGH TEMPERATURE: up to 200C (392F)
Temps over 200C are not recommended

Salvia Divinorum: 200C (392F)

Toxic byproducts do get emitted at temperatures over 200C as you get closer to combustion. Due to that, we do not recommend anyone use continuous temps over 200C.

Herbs and Essential Oils are the easiest to vaporize.
Barks and Roots are harder to vaporize, make sure they are finely ground.

 

[guest8905]

waiting for x-mas to get the "Cloud" when it comes out


cant wait