New Warehouse Growrooms

[JG's Ghost]

I'm not anti LED, but I have heard nothing but bad things about the UFO type lights. Plus much like AN their ad reads like one for credit repair or penis enlargement. Always a red flag for me!!!

Whatever happened to that company that used to have a LED forum here on ICMAG? They seemed to be the best on the market at the time.

JG

 

[JG's Ghost]

Def want to see this one. Good call on what you're setting up for the power, that'll allow you to put 3 1k's into each room if need be. Gosh I wish I had that much room.

I'm starting out with just 1k per room, and we'll see where it goes.
I have two rooms, and the law here says 25 plants is primea fascia
evidence of distribution. So. I'm trying to keep the numbers down.

I may change my growing style to accommodate larger plants, and more light, but for now this will do.

It's really not that much space. The whole floor is only 500 square feet, and there is a stairwell that takes space. Actual growing space including equipment rooms, clone/seedling area, and the two veg/flowering areas will be 250 square feet.

I've got it all framed out, am putting in the stringers for the ceiling, and reenforcing the areas where fans will be mounted now. I expect to finish that by Wednesday, and start on the electrical, and plumbing. Then do all the drywall. I'm hoping to have my first seedlings started by Sunday.

Wish me luck

JG

 

[azad]

Best of Luck to ya bud.I love your hydro system!
Alot of build work there,but a job half done well is a job half done heheh
You've done some killer work should last a decade easy.I have a large space avaliable to me but i would'nt know where or how to start...Stay well and grow strong!

 

[JG's Ghost]

Best of Luck to ya bud.I love your hydro system!
Alot of build work there,but a job half done well is a job half done heheh
You've done some killer work should last a decade easy.I have a large space avaliable to me but i would'nt know where or how to start...Stay well and grow strong!

I'm for hire, and can do it all. From planning/design to purchasing to framing, electrical, plumbing, and the problem solving that's bound to occur. I have most of the tools, and can always get the ones needed.

I don't know how big a space you are talking about, but working by myself it's taken me a month, and a half of actual building. Half of that was destruction. 3 months of planning/design, and purchasing.

I may even be willing to work for a percentage.

JG

 

[azad]

Thanks JG's Ghost.Im going to keep it simple for the 1st grow.
Im going for 10 trees heath robinson style lol,in my homemade 45 litre waterfarms, and 12 vertical 600w lights.then go from there if thats managable,then i can expand.
Electric will be my biggest problem,I dont have nearly enough knowledge there.

 

[JG's Ghost]

Electric is easy. Just follow Rule #1 Make sure the breaker on the circuit you are working on is turned off, or better yet not even connected. Rule #2 Whatever gauge wire is called for go one better. If it calls for 14 use 12, etc.

I've tried vertical before. Be prepared to deal with a lot of heat. I don't know what Heath Robinson style is, but I suggest you go with one of the more "accepted" styles RDWC, Coco, Drip, Something you can get a lot of advice on. I would also skip the vertical, and go with air cooled hoods/cool tubes. From what you are describing it sounds anything, but simple, and 12 lights for a first grow is way too many.

JG

 

[azad]

Much respect for the Good tips bud!
Ive tried a smaller version of the setup in waterfarms.Im just makng it larger in all directions...

 

[RomulusUSA]

JG, fair enough, plant limits are important to keep within. My setup will be running just 6 plants per 1k as per state law for that same reason (and only one 1k per patient of course, we are keeping it fully state-legal).

You're building it all on your own?! Nuts. That's a lot of single man work. I am not big on construction (I am a lot more comfortable with it after building my room!) but that sounds like a boatload of work for just one guy! Wow. Keep up the solid work man!

 

[JG's Ghost]

You should try hanging an 8 foot 2x4 stringer across the center of an 8 foot room. Believe it or not I figured out a way. First I forgot about the 8 feet, and cut 3 inches off the board. Then I cut two 1 foot long 2x4's and nailed them to the ends of the stringer. I then took two trash pieces of 1x2, and screwed then in below where the stringer needed to go. So now I have one end of the stringer resting neatly in almost the exact spot I need it. All I had to do then was raise the other end, hit the one foot tee with a few shots from the nail gun, move the ladder over to the side resting on the 1x2, put it in final position and nail her in. It looks like a great big long I with very short top, and bottom, but it worked.

I have never done anything this massive before, and if I had known what I was in for I probably would not have done it, but "a friend" told me he would help. Turns out it was at his convenience, and not my schedule.

I'm almost done with the 2x4's. A few more stringers in room one, and some support beams for fans, and then I gotta do the same for room 2. I figure Saturday, or Sunday if I can get some sleep. This fucking Hep C is kicking my ass.

JG

 

[lvmcgoo]

Nice JG. I can't wait to see ya kill it. And hope ya feel a little better. Peace mcgoo

 

[sneaky_g]

I'm gonna be moving into a rental in CA.. theirfore sealed framed insulated is out of the question.. would it be feasible to hang plastic from the sealing?

My general plan involves a bedroom that i section off into veg/flower. 3 T5's for the veg, and 2kw hps in the flower.. I was planning on tacking 2x4 frame to the FLOOR and staplin the panda plastic.. have a mirror image on the ceiling and staple.. obviously have to be careful with light leaks.. but is plastic really do able? I'm like you, I prefer insulated room and drywall ect, but you know how rentals go ....

any advice would be great..

 

[JG's Ghost]

I'm gonna be moving into a rental in CA.. theirfore sealed framed insulated is out of the question.. would it be feasible to hang plastic from the sealing?

My general plan involves a bedroom that i section off into veg/flower. 3 T5's for the veg, and 2kw hps in the flower.. I was planning on tacking 2x4 frame to the FLOOR and staplin the panda plastic.. have a mirror image on the ceiling and staple.. obviously have to be careful with light leaks.. but is plastic really do able? I'm like you, I prefer insulated room and drywall ect, but you know how rentals go ....

any advice would be great..

I did something very similar with a closet as the veg/clone/seedling area. I built panels of 3" x 2", at rectangular dimensions like 4' x 4', 3' x 4', and 2' x 4', covered them with drywall and bolted them together. I made doors in a few of the frames, and built a 5' x 7' flowering room. Basically I jam fit the unit to the floor, and ceiling just attaching it to the walls with light drywall anchor screws, and L brackets. I had some light leaks at the ceiling which I filled with A/c mounting foam, and other leaks at the seams of the panels I covered those with that metal reflecting film. It took some time to figure out the idea, and build it with just a sabre saw, but it worked great, and broke down in about an hour.


Funny you should mention it, but I just applied for a patent for snap together plastic panels based on my original wooden idea. They will snap together with joining ribs, and should be light tight.

JG

 

[RomulusUSA]

JG, ah man I hope you feel better! My dad has Hep C, but he's damn lucky, he seems to beat whatever life throws at him. Stage 2 kidney cancer? No big deal, he's clean as can be 8 years later. Hep C? No side effects yet, but he's only in his sixties... Take care of yourself!

I know how it can be with helpers lol! I am so damn lucky my 3 best friends were -very- down to help me build, and one of them lives about 10min from my location so we were able to spend every evening until it was framed, and every weekend since messing around/finishing up...so much to do!

While this is very OT, you seem to be a good guy to ask! My room has a 4x7.5 section for veg, and a 7.5x11.5 section for flower, there is also a 4x4 storage closet in the room on the veg side of things. Right now the plan is panda film to separate the veg/flower with a zipper door, but maybe I should consider throwing up a 2x3 (really, 2x3, for size) divider wall and a pocket door and some rock.. I still have time, veg is going ever so slowly, I'm doing a good job of killing my plants with my first coco run at this point, lol. I'd love your input sir!

Take care and I can't wait for updates on the buildout!

 

[JG's Ghost]

Yeah. Hep C sucks. I was diagnosed in 2001, and tried treatment twice. The first time with Intron A ( three shots a week) then with peg intron (one shot a week) I would go into convulsions about an hour after the shot, and within two months suicide was looking really good. So I quit. Last May I finally found a gastroenterologist who specializes in Hep C. He has a team of two nurses just for Hep C patients. And now I am getting treatment from the VA. That took a bit of a legal battle, but I'm a very good researcher, and found cases just like mine where on appeal they granted the health treatments. All that paperwork was the first thing I hit them with. They never even tried to say no. Now I am on week 28 of treatment with Pegasys. No side effects except anxiety from the Ribavirin, and a growing xanax habit. i wish I lived in Ca.

Can you draw me up a simple sketch? It would help a lot, but with the info you've given me I'd go with the 2 x3's and dry wall, but watch those 2 x 3's they tend to twist, and make getting anything square a real bitch. I might even go with 2 x 4's

JG

 

[RomulusUSA]

Oh man, that sounds like one of my friends from another world. He's around my dad's age, late 50s, and his treatment was a NIGHTMARE for like 3 months. He's doing SO much better now tho, thank god. I'm glad you're getting support from the VA, I have been reading even more about how much they fuck over our service men recently...makes me sick. Fight injustice!!

Of course! I'd love your input! If you want to keep your thread on topic, I have my own thread too. Its mostly about the plants, but I like keeping everything together so I have some pics there. Or we can take it to PM!

So the 2 tables in veg exist, one is a 3x3 tray with the lips cut off as they added a bit of rigidity but also about 4", and I need roughly 0 rigidity as I am not flooding nor am I using the plastic to support weight, its chillin on a 23/32" plywood table (talk about overkill.. But all the 1/2" plywood looked like asss when I was at the Depot... So a few bucks more and some nice sheets of thick plywood!) but the flower ones do not yet. They will be 4x4's and I want to run 2 different ones for a few reasons. One, in case I ever do a recirculating res; two, mobility; three, cost. Right now I only can have a plant count for a single table, but that is in the process of changing, and will be resolved about 1mo after my clones hit flower, and thus another table/hood/1k will be going up. The tables may not be able to be pushed up against the wall, also, due to hood spacing. I have a window banger AC unit converted for in-room use (that was fun! I love metal work, the ducts were a blast!) hung about 7ft off the floor, at the end of the room above the table that is pushed up against the wall in the below drawing. Check the pics in the thread linked below for more details. To recap, due to spacing I may have to have the tables about 1ft off the wall, which will make the entry door awkward. Thus is life.

I really appreciate your input, thanks much JG!

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=223867

 

[youngtrader9689]

how much for a ten pack haha?

 

[JG's Ghost]

Oh man, that sounds like one of my friends from another world. He's around my dad's age, late 50s, and his treatment was a NIGHTMARE for like 3 months. He's doing SO much better now tho, thank god. I'm glad you're getting support from the VA, I have been reading even more about how much they fuck over our service men recently...makes me sick. Fight injustice!!

Of course! I'd love your input! If you want to keep your thread on topic, I have my own thread too. Its mostly about the plants, but I like keeping everything together so I have some pics there. Or we can take it to PM!

So the 2 tables in veg exist, one is a 3x3 tray with the lips cut off as they added a bit of rigidity but also about 4", and I need roughly 0 rigidity as I am not flooding nor am I using the plastic to support weight, its chillin on a 23/32" plywood table (talk about overkill.. But all the 1/2" plywood looked like asss when I was at the Depot... So a few bucks more and some nice sheets of thick plywood!) but the flower ones do not yet. They will be 4x4's and I want to run 2 different ones for a few reasons. One, in case I ever do a recirculating res; two, mobility; three, cost. Right now I only can have a plant count for a single table, but that is in the process of changing, and will be resolved about 1mo after my clones hit flower, and thus another table/hood/1k will be going up. The tables may not be able to be pushed up against the wall, also, due to hood spacing. I have a window banger AC unit converted for in-room use (that was fun! I love metal work, the ducts were a blast!) hung about 7ft off the floor, at the end of the room above the table that is pushed up against the wall in the below drawing. Check the pics in the thread linked below for more details. To recap, due to spacing I may have to have the tables about 1ft off the wall, which will make the entry door awkward. Thus is life.

I really appreciate your input, thanks much JG!

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=223867

Personally I'd gut it, and set up two 4 x 4,maybe even 5 x 5 side by side veg/flower rooms with convertible ballasts that can handle MH, and HPS, and a small room to the left of the door for seedlings, and clones.

JG

 

[RomulusUSA]

New Warehouse Growrooms

I like your thinking, but I feel that the small rooms would be too hard to work in. I was initially going to do a 4x4 and 2x4 veg tent and 8x4 flower tent in the room but then I decided to just use the room itself... You're prolly right as to the best possible use tho...

 

[JG's Ghost]

I ran a 5 plant RDWC in a 2' x 5' closet with a box I built out of 1 x 2"'s and 1/8" plywood for seedlings, and veg.

With two 5' x 5' rooms next to each other, and 24" prehung doors you could run a system 3.5 x 3.5 feet and still have 1.5 feet to walk around the whole system. You'd be able to SCROG your grows, and have a new crop every month, or so. Using 1000 watt lights in cool tubes, and reflective film on every wall you should be able to get 1 gram per watt. No problem.

The seedling clone area need not to be that deep. Maybe 1,5 feet That still leaves you a lot of room to move around in there.

Sorta like the system I'm building but with a little less space



Kinda like this. This is nowhere close to scale.




It also gives you the advantage of a small lung area for exhaust, or intake.

Where are you going to intake, and exhaust anyway?

 

[RomulusUSA]

BAH I wish I had talked to you 4mo ago. Divided rooms like that are an amazing idea. I even have a switchable 1k as it is, I could easily swap wires from ballast to ballast every month also, they're mounted next to each other and there is lots of wire of course.

That ~4x4 box in the corner is 100% required. I can't move it. I need access into it also, the door only has to swing out about 1ft so I can slide in to it to service what's in there. Plus it stores my spare soil/coco/perlite/stuff really well, I can stack a bunch of RubberMaid tubs in there next to what is stored in there.

Air handling wise, its sealed with CO2 and AC/heat. 8" ducts in/out for cooling for the AC and hoods, and another 6" is going to be added in/out for the veg hood, if thing stay in current config.

I think the first run is going to be as pictured, with just a single tray (6 plants) as that is all I'm legal for currently. I should be able to move to 12-18 plants by the time this first batch is done. The idea was to veg 6 plants for about 4wks in 3 gallons, transplant into 5gal's and switch to the flower trays. SCROG is def something I want to do, but I didn't think it would be possible with transplanting in stages like that (1/2 gal -> 3 -> 5) and for logistics reasons... I need to put some thought into this today and play with a tapemeasure a bit... Tho I have to say, my future basement build just developed a few stages after thinking about two/three rooms to flip between for veg and flower, vs a veg room and a flower room.