I thought dispensary experiences were suppose to be pleasant

[In~Plain~Site]

Half-assed operations hurt us all collectively,all the while feeding into the negative stereotypes.

I don't like playing by the rules,but pretending they don't exist accomplishes what exactly?

LW has it correct, play the game until you can change the rules.That's the smart play.

I was just @ career day for my son, so yeah....many of us are in plain sight.

Why not grow your hair long and wear tye-dyed if you're not ashamed of what it represents?

If we use our numbers to vote we can do it "our" way. Just for the record I keep my hair buzzed and have no tats ... if you saw me going down the street you would just think im some old guy going to work. I still stay let them come around to the truth of how ppl really are.... not some made up image. I yam who i yam. The truth will always set us free!!! Ppl gonna stereotype by ppls looks its their problem not ours ... lets keep it real. My blood pressure goes up just being around ppl in white coats.....and thats a fact.

 

[Babbabud]

Because this is how im the most comfortable. Ive been around a long time .. had long hair had short hair in between hair ... believe me im the way i am because its how im most comfy Im not changing for anyone or anything ...way to old to spend my time conforming to someones idea of how we should look ... its all part of what they need to get over ... not just the bullshit they believe about cannabis ... but the illusion "they" have about the whole world Lets figure out what REALLY matters.

 

[In~Plain~Site]

I feel what you're saying.I'm frustrated.

They put you under the jail in my state, possibly the worst in the union on MJ.

The shocking part is I know most adults (21+) smoke pot here.

The crux of my problem is this:

I don't want anyone badmouthing or looking down on someone else because they partake,which is synonymous with the counter-culture atmosphere you spoke of....that is the common denominator that needs to change....does that make any sense?

It's just my approach to the same problem I suppose, people are already looking for targets...so don't give them easy ones.

Because this is how im the most comfortable. Ive been around a long time .. had long hair had short hair in between hair ... believe me im the way i am because its how im most comfy Im not changing for anyone or anything ...way to old to spend my time conforming to someones idea of how we should look ... its all part of what they need to get over ... not just the bullshit they believe about cannabis ... but the illusion "they" have about the whole world Lets figure out what REALLY matters.

 

[guest8905]

the medical marijuana people still need to gain nationwide acceptance.... unfortunately, we are part of a prejudiced, materialistic, image conscience society....

Honestly i could care less what the rest of the country think of my medicine and my herbal meditation.

I have been going to dispensaries for almost ten years. In my experience I find the more relaxing the enviorent the better. I with BabbaBud on this one. The last thing i want is to be inside a box and dealing with people through glass windows. Ive done enough of that in my life thanks.

The best places Ive been are filled with smiles, good vibes, good energy if you will, and a whole lot of love. When I see white suits, ties and the "corporate look" i think lilwayne likes, it really makes me sick. We are a counter culture with counter culture medicine.

If you want to frequent a place more like a prison then be my guest, but please stop trying to make people conform to your likes b/c 1. you have no control over anything your talking about, and 2. its not up to you anyway.

Trust me when you are sitting with very sick people in a room full of grey area laws, the best place is a warm environment where you can feel like your welcome and not a criminal.

 

[LiLWaynE]

How is this bullshit:

But this is OK?:

Or am I treating your comparisons unfairly?

lol, unfair comparison.... thats just DIGGING right there....


babba, i understand you completely.... but i think IPS summed it up pretty god damn well........

 

[Blimey]

What if a (hypothetical) state passed a MMJ law that permitted dispensaries, but had much stricter qualifying criteria for getting a card?

If anyone in Cali can get a card.....its just legalization by the back door.....which is probably what scares a large section of the electorate in non-medical States.

If there was a much smaller eligible population, say if the state only allowed MMJ for a list of specific medical criteria.....the market wouldn't support a dispensary on every street corner...

I don't think the dispensaries are the problem......when anyone can get a card....you don't have MMJ.....you have legal MJ.....just under a different name....

 

[juicepuddle]

^Better idea just make it legal everywhere, booya

 

[longearedfriend]

very funny the dispensary with the dog on the couch

unprofessional maybe but, sort of, relaxed atmosphere

lil wayne I think I have said this a couple pages before but you should really open a dispensary

you really have a vision of something

I don't think sterile would be for me, but I think what you said made a lot of sense

 

[Duplicate]

lol, unfair comparison.... thats just DIGGING right there....

hahah cool. I was genuinely asking. I couldn't tell if you were horrible at making a point or if I was too stoned.
Wait, am I still too stoned? Sorry lol.

Anyways. I used to care about the image and I used to think that these places should present a more "upstanding" atmosphere but I think my views have changed. If you're doing it by the book it can cost a lot of money to get things going. At the end of the day if the co-op is willing to pass the savings on I can deal without some aesthetic cosmetics. Plus why spend more time and money on these things when people like the Attorney Generals in CA can threaten to shut down your pretty club at any time?

Also I don't think that people who are against "pot shops" even know what they're like, nor could they care less! All they care about is the fact that people are exchanging money for drugs they have been told is horrible all their lives. Do you really think they would say "You know we used to think you guys were just a bunch of pot heads till you took the Bob Marley posters down!"? I think there are even a lot of stoners who don't know what a pot shop is even like.

I really like this discussion though and it's nice to see some of the nicer places as I've not really been to one of those yet! LOL

 

[rives]

I really think that cannabis has always been something counterculture... I say be yourself and do business the way you want to. Why should we have to be like "them " ... this is alternative medicine not traditional medicine. If you used chinese herbs or something you would get it from a chinese herbal medman and where he did business would reflect his culture. We are the cannabis culture .. I say wave our flag proud ... if they dont like it ..we will put our numbers together and change it with the power of our votes. Why should "our" business be setup with "their" ideals anyways ?

I've been thinking about this since I read it yesterday, and while I see your point, I tend to disagree. I think that most of the current problems in California have been caused by trying (and largely succeeding) to take Prop 215 and morph it into pot legalization. Yes, I understand how mj is good for a myriad of complaints, etc, etc, etc. However, the 4th and 5th words in the purpose statement of 215 states "seriously ill". How many voters do you think would have voted for 215 if they had foreseen the results? Take a look at the letters to the editor in your local paper and see what people think about the proliferation of residential backyard grows, dispensaries on every corner, etc. I'm all for recreational mj - I've smoked for well over 40 years. This just isn't what 215 was meant to address, and from what I see, the pendulum is swinging back against us as a result.

Anyhow, back to my point. While there are numerous funky little communities that emphasize the counter-culture vibe, that is not the bulk of California. On a recent trip to Sacramento, I saw in the News & Review that one of the dispensaries had a strain that I had been interested in trying. When I went to check it out, the parking lot looked like thug central. This was in a small mall in north Sac, it took me well over an hour to get my business done, and in that period the rest of the mall looked virtually deserted. The waiting room looked pretty good, but after being admitted to the dispensary proper, it was filled to bursting with little gang-bangers cutting in line and a bunch of very loud patrons tee-heeing and high-fiving. Now, Babba, how many "seriously ill" patrons do you suppose would be comfortable in that environment? I know that I won't be back, and strangely enough I saw in the news yesterday that this dispensary had just been shut down by the Feds. I don't like those assholes getting involved in anything, but you have to wonder if the other store owners in the mall hadn't requested that something be done.

We have to understand that any progress we are going to make has to be done with the forbearance of the majority of the voting populace, and impressions are a huge factor in this. Unfortunately, stoners aren't even close to the majority and even if they were, their voting record is abysmal. And oddly enough, I know more senior citizens that voted for Prop 19 than I do growers and smokers.

 

[rick shaw]

I've been thinking about this since I read it yesterday, and while I see your point, I tend to disagree. I think that most of the current problems in California have been caused by trying (and largely succeeding) to take Prop 215 and morph it into pot legalization. Yes, I understand how mj is good for a myriad of complaints, etc, etc, etc. However, the 4th and 5th words in the purpose statement of 215 states "seriously ill". How many voters do you think would have voted for 215 if they had foreseen the results? Take a look at the letters to the editor in your local paper and see what people think about the proliferation of residential backyard grows, dispensaries on every corner, etc. I'm all for recreational mj - I've smoked for well over 40 years. This just isn't what 215 was meant to address, and from what I see, the pendulum is swinging back against us as a result.

Anyhow, back to my point. While there are numerous funky little communities that emphasize the counter-culture vibe, that is not the bulk of California. On a recent trip to Sacramento, I saw in the News & Review that one of the dispensaries had a strain that I had been interested in trying. When I went to check it out, the parking lot looked like thug central. This was in a small mall in north Sac, it took me well over an hour to get my business done, and in that period the rest of the mall looked virtually deserted. The waiting room looked pretty good, but after being admitted to the dispensary proper, it was filled to bursting with little gang-bangers cutting in line and a bunch of very loud patrons tee-heeing and high-fiving. Now, Babba, how many "seriously ill" patrons do you suppose would be comfortable in that environment? I know that I won't be back, and strangely enough I saw in the news yesterday that this dispensary had just been shut down by the Feds. I don't like those assholes getting involved in anything, but you have to wonder if the other store owners in the mall hadn't requested that something be done.

We have to understand that any progress we are going to make has to be done with the forbearance of the majority of the voting populace, and impressions are a huge factor in this. Unfortunately, stoners aren't even close to the majority and even if they were, their voting record is abysmal. And oddly enough, I know more senior citizens that voted for Prop 19 than I do growers and smokers.

Bingo,how many people remember what ushered in mmj,it was the AIDS crisis.

The Feds allegation that prop 215 has been hijacked by profiteers,for every true nonprofit collective like www.wamm.org there are several De'Angelo's or Skype doctors.

Yes impressions are important,and unfortunately when people think of somebody/something they think of the best and the worst things they have done.

 

[Babbabud]

Ok so go back and look at the pictures ...? you see any little gang bangers there ? Im not defending what Rives is talking about ... go back and look at the pics ... thats what im defending against "white coats" ... you guys are making this a whole diff game .... I dont see any pics of thugs hanging out .. thats what we were talking about when i posted. Any other situations is something you guys have just brought into this thread.

But just to respond where you talk about what the law says ... lets look at the quote .....

"To ensure that seriously ill Californians have the right to obtain and use marijuana for medical purposes where that medical use is deemed appropriate and has been recommended by a physician who has determined that the person's health would benefit from the use of marijuana in the treatment of cancer, anorexia, AIDS, chronic pain, spasticity, glaucoma, arthritis, migraine, or any other illness for which marijuana provides relief."

is what it actually says .... and is what the voters voted for . If we are going to use the law as an argument then i guess we should quote what it actually says.

 

[rives]

But just to respond where you talk about what the law says ... lets look at the quote .....

"To ensure that seriously ill Californians have the right to obtain and use marijuana for medical purposes where that medical use is deemed appropriate and has been recommended by a physician who has determined that the person's health would benefit from the use of marijuana in the treatment of cancer, anorexia, AIDS, chronic pain, spasticity, glaucoma, arthritis, migraine, or any other illness for which marijuana provides relief."

is what it actually says .... and is what the voters voted for . If we are going to use the law as an argument then i guess we should quote what it actually says.

I know exactly what the law says. The preface specifies exactly who it is aimed at, and the end says for what. Everyone who drags up the part about "any other illness" conveniently forgets the first part. You cannot honestly tell me that when Californians voted this in, that the scene today is what they had in mind. When I got my first rec, I went in with a medical file 2" thick, along with current Rx's, etc. I saw a "doctor" who led me down the hallway to his office while singing "Everyone must get stoned".

 

[Babbabud]

well if you listen to what the authors say .. they say it was intentionally written in this manner. I read it as a contract ...it says what it says ... which part didnt the voters read before voting ? If you notice arthritis and migraine are mentioned right in the text ... surely not to be compared with aids or cancer as far as seriousness ? So now we are going to say something as debilitating as maybe Psoriasis isnt as bad as migraines or arthritis ? whos gonna draw the line you ? I say we leave it up to the doctors .

 

[longearedfriend]

I'd love to start a dispensary

I would be great host, the vibe would be heavenly

care for some tea ?

 

[rives]

I've heard all the arguments, Babba. My point is that the vast majority of this movement is recreational, not medical. As I said before, I have no problem with recreational usage - the problem is that it has been riding on the back of medical for so long that now people who have truly medical needs are losing their access. Back to the point, a minimal level of professionalism goes a long way toward keeping the p.r. going the way that it should.

 

[longearedfriend]

maybe it's medical for everyone

 

[Babbabud]

Cool part is ... the argument im using holds up quite well in court ... the text says what it says. I believe it was the full intention of the authors to make it like this . The way it reads IS the law I voted for. Wife works in a dispensary ... has tapestries and a sign that says "Hippies Welcome" its one of the most compassionate places in the whole town .... im way more comfortable going there to get meds then I am going to RiteAid .... I for sure am one that hopes that dispensaries dont go to that drugstore look. Lets just continue to be real ... and get out and vote .

 

[supermanlives]

damn straight its all you recreasional users fucking it for us really sick people. kiss my ass.cali has become the example of what not to do.i dont really care much as i grow my own and always will . and i hate hippies.

 

[rives]

It is only working right now is the problem. It is a law, and thus subject to change. The last dispensary in Chico closed, most of the Sacramento ones have shut their doors, etc. We have stuck this so far up the ass of the straight community that they are rebelling.