Whats been your experience with fem seeds?

[growhi]

i think fem seeds are great !! but what iv found is that they dont show veriation !!! there isnt as much diversity !!

maybe thats the way there made i dont know but, put a pack of fem and a pack of reg from the same strain same breeder side by side and you will know what i mean !

i prefure regular just from a money stand point 10 regs could get you more females that 5 fems witch are usualy the same price

 

[BlueGrassToker]

well, serious breeder do not work with femenised seeds in their breeding programs. sure, it can save time if you self an outstanding mother which has prooven to be a real fem
and use her polen.
but, this ain´t the real deal imao.

peace

lol...and you know what serious breeders do, how?
I think you will find that feminizing is used by far more breeders (lol,,,even serious ones) than you imagine.
Some "marketeers" may elude to the fact that they don't use the method due to some sort of conventional wisdom voodoo, but they are practicing marketing and directing it towards those who share your knowledge of the subject.

 

[Emil Muzz]

The only difference I've found is seed from a selfed plant has less vigour.

Although female to female crossbreeding produces seeds with vigour indifferent from regular seeds.

 

[djingo]

lol...and you know what serious breeders do, how?
I think you will find that feminizing is used by far more breeders (lol,,,even serious ones) than you imagine.
Some "marketeers" may elude to the fact that they don't use the method due to some sort of conventional wisdom voodoo, but they are practicing marketing and directing it towards those who share your knowledge of the subject.

irie.
if you do know a serious breeder, ask him/her.

 

[Ziggaro]

so far 100% positive.

trainwreck, kaia kush, and chemdog. all from greenhouse. 100% females no balls

 

[bobman]

irie.
if you do know a serious breeder, ask him/her.

Chimera is pro fem breeding and he is the most educated on the subject. shanti is supposedly coming out with a fem line of seeds. and Simon who is a pretty knowledgable guy with a biology degree also is making fem seeds. not sure where shanti and simon stand on breeding with fems but i am sure they probably believe it is a breeding tool like chimera. i believe chimera is also coming out with fem seeds but he calls them something else. he uses a more scientific term for the process being done correctly.

 

[BlueGrassToker]

A shorter list would be commercial breeders who DON'T use the method in any of their programs.

I think we need to discern between what our conventional wisdom (derived from reading blogs and message boards), and what reality actually states. And as I eluded to before, marketing also becomes a variable.

Whether these breeders bring out fem lines is really immaterial to this discussion. I can almost guarantee you that all of the top commercial breeders of today understand what the process entails, and none of them will come into any discussion spouting off things like; "fem beans are hermie prone" or similar less than learned statements.

 

[bobman]

i think fem seeds are great !! but what iv found is that they dont show veriation !!! there isnt as much diversity !!

maybe thats the way there made i dont know but, put a pack of fem and a pack of reg from the same strain same breeder side by side and you will know what i mean !

i prefure regular just from a money stand point 10 regs could get you more females that 5 fems witch are usualy the same price

when i buy a pack of seeds i don't want a ton of variation. but variation is a very, very broad term. i find that with regular and femmed seeds there are usually a few phenos that people are looking for and the rest is more sub par. finding something extraordinary that lays outside these phenos is very much the exception and not the rule when it comes to variation. i just want consistent great plants that lay within the parameters of what the breeder considers the best expression of his work.

 

[supermanlives]

i have yet to try any.

 

[bobman]

i have yet to try any.

thank you for the contribution. please update us on any new developments.

 

[supermanlives]

anyone wanna reccomend some feel free. placing order for seeds soon anyhow

 

[growhi]

when i buy a pack of seeds i don't want a ton of variation. but variation is a very, very broad term. i find that with regular and femmed seeds there are usually a few phenos that people are looking for and the rest is more sub par. finding something extraordinary that lays outside these phenos is very much the exception and not the rule when it comes to variation. i just want consistent great plants that lay within the parameters of what the breeder considers the best expression of his work.

i dont know about that !! especialy when your talking about multiple hydrids there so many combinations that can present in phenos its unreal !

and if your fems are made in a way that the phenos are throttled so to speak and your just gettin the same plant basicly seed after seed !

your gunna be hard pushed to find greatness !!

to me your always better off with regs

 

[djingo]

Chimera is pro fem breeding and he is the most educated on the subject. shanti is supposedly coming out with a fem line of seeds. and Simon who is a pretty knowledgable guy with a biology degree also is making fem seeds. not sure where shanti and simon stand on breeding with fems but i am sure they probably believe it is a breeding tool like chimera. i believe chimera is also coming out with fem seeds but he calls them something else. he uses a more scientific term for the process being done correctly.

you´re right.
though this wasn´t about fem strains released by serious breeders.
its about not to use fems or selfed polm in a serious breeding project for a new stable reg strain and mass up a gene pool.

would be nice if r.c. clarke could give a word to this

 

[bobman]

you´re right.
though this wasn´t about fem strains released by serious breeders.
its about not to use fems or selfed polm in a serious breeding project for a new stable reg strain and mass up a gene pool.

would be nice if r.c. clarke could give a word to this

Chimera talks about this over at mr nice forums. there is a pretty good thread over there on the subject. its long and there is some stupid bickering but there is some good info.

 

[the gnome]

the bay gave me a freebie of some fem'd powerkush seeds last year and i'm still running it and have had no probs with it at all.
got some fem'd AK 47 serious seeds also and they also performed flawlessly.
no nanners is any of the AKs or PKs
I'm also still holding onto freebie paks of roadrunner and super silver

 

[djingo]

Chimera talks about this over at mr nice forums. there is a pretty good thread over there on the subject. its long and there is some stupid bickering but there is some good info.

thanks for info, interesting read

 

[Morphote]

Chimera joins the conversation in that thread (Fem seeds and there impact on the future of the species known as cannabis) on page 56:

No scientist could possibly say "there will be no negative effects of feminized breeding", but a scientist would use the available knowledge about the cannabis genome to make hypotheses and conclusions about how to go about the process in a practical and USEFUL way. This is not being done today, but that should not mean that this technique is not useful, or can be achieved in a responsible manner.

"Feminized" seeds are currently a destructive force to the cannabis genepool, but NOT because of the process of "feminized" matings in and of themselves. The real problem IMNSHO with "feminized" matings as available in the seed industry today is due to the low population sizes of the mating pool (ie- in almost every case N=2- a 1:1 mating scheme).

This FACT, combined with poor selections, and as stated $eed dollar$ as the main goal is the REAL problem with these methodologies.... and "seed releases" or hack jobs for lack of a better term. I don't see how 1:1 matings, combined with poor selection, and low numbers of mating individuals in the 'production population' (again, N=2- a 1:1 mating scheme) are ANY LESS of a problem that n the 'feminized' matings. Let's face it- there are numerous companies (read: ALMOST ALL IMO) companies who pretend to develop new varietals, but are in the business of creating seeds for profit, rather than improvement. Breeding means MAKING IMPROVEMENTS, not seed sales...

I should state I haven't read this thread in its entirety , but I would have to assume that it likely contains the same arguments that are posted over and over on the various cannabis discussion forums on the internet. As of yet, I've not been able to read a SINGLE scientifically sound argument against the use of responsible gynoecious matings in Cannabis. The gynoecious matings are not the problem, it's how the folks using the technique are undergoing the matings that are the problem- (ie poor selection and low numbers of mating individuals) that is leading to the poor performance of so called 'feminized' seeds.

He continues on page 57:

'Feminized' is a marketing term, not a plant breeding term. To me, from my perspective of the current seed market and the so called "female" or 'Feminized' seeds that are currently available- the VAST MAJORITY of which are poor performers compared to the standard versions of these varieties. I call these 'feminized' seeds, as do most in the industry.

a TRUE Gynoecious population refers to a population of all females. For the most part, I don't think what is available on the market currently would qualify as Gynoecious... with the intersex problems that persist. In some cases, the practice of creating these "feminized" seeds unintentionally selects FOR these negatve intersex traits by design.

This methodology and others that use poor selection, bottleneck events capturing intersex alleles etc) that in turn select for intesexuality in the line are not actually working towards a true, female population without intersex traits.... a population I or any educated plant breeder could not call Gynoecious... so to me 'Feminized' and 'Feminization' are terms that reflect what is actually going on within the market. They aren't true, all female seedlines... so to me they don't qualify to receive the Gynoecious label.... and I therefor call them feminized lines, as do their marketers.

Later on page 82 he explains:

That a female plant can produce pollen under hormonal treatment does not make it any less of a true female. By corollary, a plant that produces pollen is not automatically a male plant, and certainly does not infer the presence of a Y-chromosome.

Keep in mind these are just segments of his posts. To fully comprehend what he is saying it is necessary to read all his posts in their entirety. Please view pages 56-58, 64, 74, 82, and 91 of that thread for more information specifically from him. Here is a link.

M.

 

[BlueGrassToker]

It'd worth noting that the very same "problems" that Chimera recognizes as arising from the methods used by feminized seed makers also exist in regular M/F breeding schemes, and for the exact same reasons as Chimera describes.

Absorb and understand what the man is trying to convey, and try not to read other things into his words. (I notice some still seem to misunderstand what Bob Clarke was trying to convey years ago in his writings and think they can use what they misunderstood as a basis for argument against feminizing.)

Getting to the point that we totally and completely understand what N2 and 1:1 means will be a big jump towards comprehension of the concept.

 

[Snagglepuss]

im sure its probably been posted before ,and i think its prob a bunch of malarky.But here's a female seeds chart for ya .Again i think its probably bs.....

 

[roach]

im sure its probably been posted before ,and i think its prob a bunch of malarky.But here's a female seeds chart for ya .Again i think its probably bs.....

ROFL im sorry to say, but that chart is complete and utter elephant shit (too much shit to be bullshit), would be nice tho if you could pick sex by the look of the seeds