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pokerg1

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hey everyone,:wave:
there are so many mixed reviews on so many different set ups and would like some advice from experienced growers or anyone that have used the soler & palau td series inline fan:yay:

i have a secret jardin - dr60, 2x2x5, 400w cmh bulbs, cooltube
(ive thought about 250w and went with the 400w)

im planning to get Soler & Palau td series
plz recommend which fan series would be the most efficent for my grow space:smokeit:
=>>TD 100x - For 4 inch round duct - 135/100 cfm (high/low).
=>>TD 125 -For 5 inch round duct - 197/149 cfm (high/low).
=>>TD 150 -For 6 inch round duct - 293/218 cfm (high/low).
=>>TD 200 -For 8 inch round duct - 538/476 cfm (high/low).
http://www.hvacquick.com/products/r...ine-Air-Booster-Fans/SP-TD-Series-Inline-Fans



I would also appreciate if someone would help me figure out which carbon filter would work best. i intially planned on getting the TD150 series(unless a lower cfm would be better tell me!), i found 3 scrubbers but i dunno if it would be compatiable or efficent .:thank you:

CAN FILTER 33
Max Recirculating (Scrubbing) CFM: 400 cfm
Max Exhaust CFM: 200 cfm
Recommended Min Airflow: 100 cfm
http://www.thehydrosource.com/Air_P...ter_33?zenid=315e5e8cbe19704b241af9e9ded34872

OR............

THE GOBLIN
Optimal CFM Range: 265-465

OR...

THE ELF
Optimal CFM Range: 150-265
http://www.greners.com/i/fans-venti...n-filters/charcoal-filter-goblin-and-elf.html

if these are not good for the the recommended inline fan plz help me find 1.:thanks:

:smoweed::joint::smoke::smoke out:
 
FreezerBoy

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Everything is a trade off. S&P is much quieter than a Vortex but, it just does NOT suck like one. Whatever S&P you feel is appropriate, go at least one model up.

Standard lighting is considered 50 watts per square foot. 2x2 calls for 200 watts. Because you've doubled the light and are using a lesser powered fan, I'd consider moving up two models if not three.

Ventilation 101
 
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pokerg1

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FreezerBoy said:
Everything is a trade off. S&P is much quieter than a Vortex but, it just does NOT suck like one. Whatever S&P you feel is appropriate, go at least one model up.

Standard lighting is considered 50 watts per square foot. 2x2 calls for 200 watts. Because you've doubled the light and are using a lesser powered fan, I'd consider moving up two models if not three.

Ventilation 101
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well im trying to get a quiet inline fan,
what cfm vortex would u recommend for my space since it sucks air better then the s&p???
 
qupee

qupee

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A TD-150 will match up with a Can 33 quite well. However, I'd look for something like a Phresh filter. Much lighter and as good as, if not better than, a Can.

A 400w is going to be a bit much for that tent. A DR80 on the other hand is perfect size for 400w.

Ultimately, a TD-150 and Can 33 should keep that tent as close as possible to ambient. Another option would be a 4" centrifugal. A 4" Sunleaves, for example, will move about as much air as a TD-150 in most circumstances. And if your ventilation run is twisty or long, the 4" centrifugal is going to end up moving more air than the TD-150.

Both the TD-150 and 4" centrifugal are fairly quiet (it will vary by brand/model on the centrifugal). They will be loud enough that you could not have one in the same room without hearing it, but it could be behind a door and inaudible. I might actually give the edge to the 4" Sunleaves centrifugal. I've heard both in the same room, and ya I'd say the 4" centrifugal was quieter, and I'd say you could work with it more to reduce that noise - moreso than the TD-150..
 
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sneaky101

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Ive got a 4"sun leaves wind tunnel with a Phresh filter and a td 100 hooked up to a can filter. Both work great, but the wind tunnel is a bit louder than I thought it would be. I have a 6" can fan max in another room with a Phresh filter and I think it is as quiet if not more quiet than the wind tunnel....but no question the wind tunnel is much more powerful than my td 100, 2x more so I think, so probably 1.5x mor than the 150. But just an FYI, the td fan I got, although it says it is 2 speeds, you have to re wire it to get the second speed. Not just flipping the switch for more cfm if needed. I know I. Don't have the 150, but I would assume that's how they all are, but you should verify that.
 
DiscoBiscuit

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can you swap the 400 for the 250? or, you could make the 2 x 2 a veg/mother tent and get a dr80 for the 400.
 
qupee

qupee

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sneaky101 said:
But just an FYI, the td fan I got, although it says it is 2 speeds, you have to re wire it to get the second speed. Not just flipping the switch for more cfm if needed. I know I. Don't have the 150, but I would assume that's how they all are, but you should verify that.
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I can verify the TD-100, 125, 150, and 200 are all like that. I simply wired two cords, and only plug one in at a time (not sure anything bad would happen, but prefer not to test it myself lol).
 
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pokerg1

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thanks all for your inputs. ive decided that i will use a 250w for the dr60(2x2x5) and go with a 4" inline fan instead of the s&p.

ive done some searching for a quiet inline and found elicent unless someone else knows something better??
ive decided to get the 4" elicent which runs at 152 cfm in the dr60(2x2x5). i assume this is sufficent??
smell is an issue so if i need a more powerful cfm fan to power a stronger carbon filter plz tell me. =)

also would a 6" elicent running at 309 cfm in a dr80(3x3x6), 400w work also??


anyone have any experience or knowledge on how quiet the active air inline fans are too??
sry for so many questions lol

thanks again for all the help. i appreciate it
 
DiscoBiscuit

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If it needs to be quiet, I'd stick with S&P. If you don't care whether it sounds like a big hair dryer, the centrifugal will work fine.
 
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Poker,
The Vortex has a 10 year warranty. It is stated to be speed controllable unlike many others. I'd get the 6" and a speed controller. If your setup changes in the future, you've got more options. Dropping the speed drops the noise from the fan. I've read that light dimmers etc. are unsafe for cent. fans even if their amp rating is adequate. Get a real speed controller for peace of mind.

A larger carbon filter will scrub smell longer. Good luck. -granger
 
DiscoBiscuit

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he's talking about a pole switch where you wire both or all three speeds to the switch. more like a speed selector.
 
FreezerBoy

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pokerg1 said:
thanks all for your inputs. ive decided that i will use a 250w for the dr60(2x2x5) and go with a 4" inline fan instead of the s&p.

ive done some searching for a quiet inline and found elicent unless someone else knows something better??
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Note this will cause a huge noise bump. If placed in a locked room, the noise can be tamed. If in a common area, you'll need a big distraction to hide/explain the noise.

Elicents tend to be the quietest of the centrifugals.

FYI-Saying "inline" is like saying "vehicle." It doesn't tell you if the vehicle is a car, plane or boat. Axials, centrifugals, mixed vents are all "inline" but drastically different types of fans.
 
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pokerg1

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Granger2 said:
Poker,
The Vortex has a 10 year warranty. It is stated to be speed controllable unlike many others. I'd get the 6" and a speed controller. If your setup changes in the future, you've got more options. Dropping the speed drops the noise from the fan. I've read that light dimmers etc. are unsafe for cent. fans even if their amp rating is adequate. Get a real speed controller for peace of mind.

A larger carbon filter scrub smell longer. Good luck. -granger
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i thought about doing this aswell but ive read that people say theres a humming noise when they switch the setting to low on the speed controller. what kind of speed controller would be good? the speedster?
do u have this setup in your grow space?

im trying to get the lowest possible noise fan as that would be an issue. i want a complete stealth grow
 
catman

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pokerg1 said:
im trying to get the lowest possible noise fan as that would be an issue. i want a complete stealth grow
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There is no such thing, but the fans you should be looking at are
Panasonic Whisperline. They make bathroom exhaust and "normal inline" fans in the CFM range you need. These fans are actually like squirrel cages in an enclosure. They make a new DC motor version that goes up to 130CFM @ .3 sones. I had a 80 CFM version that ran at 0.3 sones in the past and my computer was much louder. A 110CFM 5'' "computer" axial DC fan with a speed controller even at an estimated 60 CFM was louder. They make AC driven motors that will make more noise, but it would be a less risky route to take. Risky in the sense you won't find many people having done the same thing and guessing how much the filter will drag on the fan. Go with a PHRESH filter as they have little drag and get the job done. They are also light weight.
 
qupee

qupee

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pokerg1 said:
i thought about doing this aswell but ive read that people say theres a humming noise when they switch the setting to low on the speed controller. what kind of speed controller would be good? the speedster?
do u have this setup in your grow space?

im trying to get the lowest possible noise fan as that would be an issue. i want a complete stealth grow
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In my experience, the S&P fans do not work well with the speedster type controllers.

Centrifugal fans work better with fine with them, however.


Also, I'd be skeptical that a panasonic whisperline would move enough air, but I've never actually used one.
 
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Onos

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I have S&P TD 350 Silent on a PHAT RHINO 300m3 carbon filter in my cab.Footprint of the cab is 45cm X 83cm and there`s a 250 watt hps sunmaster + 100 watt of cfl in there.The TD is run by a two speed controler(COM2) also by S&P,with low speed rated at 280m3 and high speed at 360?m3.I`m very happy with the result so far,just 2-3 celsious over ambient under the canopy,set on low speed.The motor itself has a very "light" sound which can be exterminated with soundproofing material,but there`s sound from air rushing out...i dedicated the top foot of the cab to create a muffler,air entries from left bottom side and exits from a hole on top right after going through three 90 degree turns i`ve created
with soundproofing material.The whole muffler is dressed with the same material and also houses the ballast.
Hope this is going to help..:wave::smoweed:
 
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