xxoshz25xx
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I was wondering what are the basic nutes that I will need for my first DWC grow. I have never done one before so any help would be appreicated.
I would like to do the bucket system, 5 gallon buckets.
XxOshz25xX
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DWC, What Basic nutes do I need??
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I was wondering what are the basic nutes that I will need for my first DWC grow. I have never done one before so any help would be appreicated.
I would like to do the bucket system, 5 gallon buckets.
XxOshz25xX
xxoshz25xx
Member
Mace ecam,
Thas all you need? FloraNova bloom? It just doesnt sound right.......but IDK
thanks
XxOshz25xX
Thas all you need? FloraNova bloom? It just doesnt sound right.......but IDK
thanks
XxOshz25xX
kingspade
Member
xxoshz25xx said:
I was wondering what are the basic nutes that I will need for my first DWC grow. I have never done one before so any help would be appreicated.
I would like to do the bucket system, 5 gallon buckets.
XxOshz25xX
go with the lucas formula ...
so you'll need general hydroponics flora series - micro and bloom
G-M-B (Grow-Micro-Bloom)
0-5-10 - For Vegitative cycle (18/6)
0-8-16 - For Flowering cycle (12/12)
you don't need to buy any of the grow ...
if you want an additive, just look around the additive section at your hydro store for an additive that catches your eyes, and follow the directions on the bottle ...
Yes NiteTiger, we used to call the FloraNova "FloraLucas", comparing 8ml of FNB per gallon to 0-8-16 is like playing spot the difference lol, its minimal. Seems like some GH employee is into pot 
and made GH produce the FN series, but unfortunately the recommendations for the nute strength are way to high, 15ml would burn any hydro (and probably soil) plant.
spot the difference
You can grow without the veg bottle, in DWC its even better, because the veg contains more ammonia, a very hot form of N, combined with a very fast release medium like in DWC this can easily lead to burn and is too hot for the roots, so hot that it prevents proper root development. IOW, the less ammonia in DWC the better.
Personally, i believe that a small amount ammonia is good for the development of seedlings, but i also disrecommend using seedlings in DWC, clones only.
A word on additives, when someone is saying ie. use calmag to correct this and that deficiency, in most cases you could just use more of your "basic" nutes, calmag is almost a complete fert in it self, people that use "half strength of basic nutes" tend to love it
mace
and made GH produce the FN series, but unfortunately the recommendations for the nute strength are way to high, 15ml would burn any hydro (and probably soil) plant.spot the difference
You can grow without the veg bottle, in DWC its even better, because the veg contains more ammonia, a very hot form of N, combined with a very fast release medium like in DWC this can easily lead to burn and is too hot for the roots, so hot that it prevents proper root development. IOW, the less ammonia in DWC the better.
Personally, i believe that a small amount ammonia is good for the development of seedlings, but i also disrecommend using seedlings in DWC, clones only.
A word on additives, when someone is saying ie. use calmag to correct this and that deficiency, in most cases you could just use more of your "basic" nutes, calmag is almost a complete fert in it self, people that use "half strength of basic nutes" tend to love it
mace
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420ponics
Member
I was using three part. Burned my plants a few times, now they are KICKIN ass with the Lucas formula. All of the growth in the past week looks incredible. Ever since I added my 600 watt hps, they have really grow! It's incredible! My AK48 grow was done from seed in DWC and they looks incredible as well. Basically what I'm saying is that right now, my plants are kicking ass ; )
General Hydroponics nutrients is what everyone is referring to with the GMB deal....if you didn't know.
Ponics.
General Hydroponics nutrients is what everyone is referring to with the GMB deal....if you didn't know.
Ponics.
G
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In addition to your nute regiment, in a DWC system I would also use Hydroguard to protect the roots from root rot.
Half a dozen crops now with the Lucas formula - 8ml Floranova bloom [fnb] and 5ml floroliscious [sp] bloom, and am very happy with it. I add back at one third strength, and sometimes a bit of epsom if they ask for it. I like to bump with fulvic and humic acids as my tweaks. One note, with my water, the dwc units always bottom out in ph after a couple weeks, so I do my add back at ph 7 or what ever it is without adjusting it down, and my frost got even frostier, that tuning stuff just takes time, every room/grow is unique, as are we.
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GH-3 part works best with the 123 formula(at least this is what my system likes). I have burned my plants before during learning stages, but now nothing but growth.
I wasnt aware you could use just micro and bloom with the flora series from GH... Might just have to give it a go, anyone care to share some picts of a flora grow:??
I wasnt aware you could use just micro and bloom with the flora series from GH... Might just have to give it a go, anyone care to share some picts of a flora grow:??
sweetgreendream
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pure blend pro
depends on grow style if you need veg or not
for flowering wiht any nute I would suggest a pk booster
Pure blend pro(PBP) and flora nova are all organic. never used FN so I will not comment more since I am unsure of the rest. PBP is a one part formula which means no mixing is needed. PBP also has excellent PH buffers which means the ph will stay in the target zone all by itself 90+% of the time. These are the easiest nutes i have used and the results and flavor are excellent. Again I never used FN so maybe they are the same or better.
depends on grow style if you need veg or not
for flowering wiht any nute I would suggest a pk booster
Pure blend pro(PBP) and flora nova are all organic. never used FN so I will not comment more since I am unsure of the rest. PBP is a one part formula which means no mixing is needed. PBP also has excellent PH buffers which means the ph will stay in the target zone all by itself 90+% of the time. These are the easiest nutes i have used and the results and flavor are excellent. Again I never used FN so maybe they are the same or better.
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I use pure blend pro with liquid karma, some cal mag, and hydroguard. I also use something for bloom, but it depends on whats layin around.
Thinking about giving some chem. nutes a try, as I feel there is little difference between the two when dealing with hydro.
Thinking about giving some chem. nutes a try, as I feel there is little difference between the two when dealing with hydro.
xxoshz25xx
Member
I wish I knew someone with a DWC setup personaly. I hope I dont screw up!!!.....
All this 3 part, one third strenght, stuff, is confusing me....
XxOshz25xX
All this 3 part, one third strenght, stuff, is confusing me....
XxOshz25xX
I will give you the same recipe I used for my first DWC. cut and dry, impossible to mess up.
For vegetive state: (5ML)micro per gallon of water
(10ML) Bloom per galon of water
For flowering state: (8ML) Micro per gallon of water
(16ML) Bloom per gallon of water
You dont need any of the of the Grow formula because because the amount of Micro provides plenty of Nitrogen
It worked great for me, peace
For vegetive state: (5ML)micro per gallon of water
(10ML) Bloom per galon of water
For flowering state: (8ML) Micro per gallon of water
(16ML) Bloom per gallon of water
You dont need any of the of the Grow formula because because the amount of Micro provides plenty of Nitrogen
It worked great for me, peace
So, is this: G-M-B (Grow-Micro-Bloom)
0-5-10 - For Vegitative cycle (18/6)
0-8-16 - For Flowering cycle (12/12)
For 10 litres of water? I want to give it a try, is it ok to change to this fprmula in the middle of flowering? the way my dwc works is that I only add fresh water/nutes, havent changed the water in the reservoir at all, only added, so next time I add 8ml of micro and 16 of bloom for every 10 liters?
0-5-10 - For Vegitative cycle (18/6)
0-8-16 - For Flowering cycle (12/12)
For 10 litres of water?
I want to give it a try, is it ok to change to this fprmula in the middle of flowering? the way my dwc works is that I only add fresh water/nutes, havent changed the water in the reservoir at all, only added, so next time I add 8ml of micro and 16 of bloom for every 10 liters?Hello Farmer John, you are right, its ambigous, it doesn't say anything about volume measurements.
I'll try to make it clearer
Lucas formula:
0-8-16 and 0-5-10 are milliliters (ml) per US gallon (ca. 3.785Liter) of Grow-Micro-Bloom.
0ml Grow, 5ml Micro and 10ml Bloom for veg per US gallon result in a pH of ca. 6.0 and an EC of 1.2 mS/cm (1200uS/cm or 600ppm @.5 or 840ppm @.7)
0ml Grow, 8ml Micro and 16ml Bloom for flower per US gallon result in a pH of ca. 5.5 and an EC of 1.9 mS/cm (1900uS/cm or 950ppm @.5 or 1334ppm @.7)
All values in RO water, that was what the formula was made for, you won't need pH much down/up, you can control the pH via the nute strength, nutes are acidry, stronger will producr a lower pH and vice versa.
with tap things change... especially the pH (much higher due to calciumcarbonates), resulting in people using way too much pH down (phosporic acid) till its toxic, burned tips FloraNova Bloom is the same as 0-8-16(see page 1 of this thread), but has pH buffers for tap
The flower formula is stronger than the veg, thats the only difference. The max strength recommended by Lucas is an EC of 2.0 (1000ppm @.5 or 1400ppm @.7) in flower.
Metric system
0ml - 1.25ml - 2.5ml of G-M-B per Liter for veg
0ml - 2ml - 4ml of G-M-B per Liter for flower
You should not add the formula to another mix(other than 0-5-10/0-8-16 ) that has already been in the res, it will result in an unbalanced mix leading to problems, but you can top with 1/3 (sometimes even 1/2) strength if you were using 0-5-10/0-8-16 as long as the EC(TDS ppm) is maintained, meaning it comes out close to the original values (EC of 1.9mS/cm).
So, for 10 Liter it would be 12.5ml Micro and 25ml Bloom, but only in a fresh res
Lucas is around ICMag, he has some threads going, they are really worth the read.
mace
I'll try to make it clearer
Lucas formula:
0-8-16 and 0-5-10 are milliliters (ml) per US gallon (ca. 3.785Liter) of Grow-Micro-Bloom.
0ml Grow, 5ml Micro and 10ml Bloom for veg per US gallon result in a pH of ca. 6.0 and an EC of 1.2 mS/cm (1200uS/cm or 600ppm @.5 or 840ppm @.7)
0ml Grow, 8ml Micro and 16ml Bloom for flower per US gallon result in a pH of ca. 5.5 and an EC of 1.9 mS/cm (1900uS/cm or 950ppm @.5 or 1334ppm @.7)
All values in RO water, that was what the formula was made for, you won't need pH much down/up, you can control the pH via the nute strength, nutes are acidry, stronger will producr a lower pH and vice versa.
with tap things change... especially the pH (much higher due to calciumcarbonates), resulting in people using way too much pH down (phosporic acid) till its toxic, burned tips
FloraNova Bloom is the same as 0-8-16(see page 1 of this thread), but has pH buffers for tap The flower formula is stronger than the veg, thats the only difference. The max strength recommended by Lucas is an EC of 2.0 (1000ppm @.5 or 1400ppm @.7) in flower.
Metric system
0ml - 1.25ml - 2.5ml of G-M-B per Liter for veg
0ml - 2ml - 4ml of G-M-B per Liter for flower
You should not add the formula to another mix(other than 0-5-10/0-8-16 ) that has already been in the res, it will result in an unbalanced mix leading to problems, but you can top with 1/3 (sometimes even 1/2) strength if you were using 0-5-10/0-8-16 as long as the EC(TDS ppm) is maintained, meaning it comes out close to the original values (EC of 1.9mS/cm).
So, for 10 Liter it would be 12.5ml Micro and 25ml Bloom, but only in a fresh res
Lucas is around ICMag, he has some threads going, they are really worth the read.
mace
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Great, thank you Mace 
so if I keep plants in separate buckets, give them 0ml - 1.25ml - 2.5ml of G-M-B per Liter for veg then how often do I have to add/change the mix? And for bloom it'll be 0-20-40 for 10 liters? Sounds like a lot of nutes and I dont have a ppm/ec meter, just ph and all seems to be well if I stick to the instructions, but what im most worried is how often should I add/change the nutes...10L buckets will have around 8-9 L of water7nutes each, I dont recirculate and dont have a separate rez...hope I make any sense...lmao
so if I keep plants in separate buckets, give them 0ml - 1.25ml - 2.5ml of G-M-B per Liter for veg then how often do I have to add/change the mix? And for bloom it'll be 0-20-40 for 10 liters? Sounds like a lot of nutes and I dont have a ppm/ec meter, just ph and all seems to be well if I stick to the instructions, but what im most worried is how often should I add/change the nutes...10L buckets will have around 8-9 L of water7nutes each, I dont recirculate and dont have a separate rez...hope I make any sense...lmao
