Can Odor Permeate Vacuum Sealed Bags?

[MIway]

no one said barry cooper as of yet...??? http://nevergetbusted.com/2010/


basically, most every plastic is semi-permeable... super small molecules/ions can work their way through the plastic... microscopic holes. it takes time, but it will happen. the way the dog smells, is that it identifies each & every odor molecule... they have sensitivity & resolution in smelling. so, if you do multiple layers, and give it enough time to seep through... then the dog will smell plastic, vaseline, febreeze, body oils, more plastic, and then the weed. this is all from the video series.

also, as people have noted, you can get a dog to respond... falsely. basically, they take dogs with super strong bite instincts & train them with treats... the dog recognizes an odor & associates it with getting his/her favorite treat or toy. the dog has incentive to positively identify. pretty easy for a handler to get this response... it's not for the weed, it's for the treat/toy.

 

[Gray Wolf]

Dogs sense of smell is 10,000 TIMES that of humans. So yup.

Old school way was to empty some peanut butter from the jar, put a bag of weed in, put peanut butter back completely over it , tightly seal jar, but I don't know how effective that really is.

Good point, and the numbers vary. Another way to think about it, is how many parts per millionth it takes for a dog to pick up on something vis a vis human beings. By that standard, their nosmic accuity is several million times better.

Anyone who has left a ziploc baggy of cannabis in a closed car during the summer, knows that even double bagged, the thin film of plastic does little to prevent the whole car from reeking.

Just imagine if you had a nose out of west hell, like da pooches...............

 

[WelderDan]

Depends on the dog too. When we were in high school, we would periodically get rounded up and seated on the gym floor. Then the local gestapo would run their K9 around to sniff everyone. I was holding a half a gram of hash and a couple of joints, as well as wearing a Levi's jacket I had worn to a ZZ Top concert the night before. The dog sniffed me, and moved on. Either he had a cold, or he just sucked as a drug dog. The cops were even touting he could smell a single seed inside a bar of soap.

Yeah, I doubt I'll ever be that lucky again.

 

[MIway]

Depends on the dog too. When we were in high school, we would periodically get rounded up and seated on the gym floor. Then the local gestapo would run their K9 around to sniff everyone. I was holding a half a gram of hash and a couple of joints, as well as wearing a Levi's jacket I had worn to a ZZ Top concert the night before. The dog sniffed me, and moved on. Either he had a cold, or he just sucked as a drug dog. The cops were even touting he could smell a single seed inside a bar of soap.

Yeah, I doubt I'll ever be that lucky again.

is this happening in the states? dogs to sniff kids at school? that's pretty fucked the fuck up.

 

[Gray Wolf]

Depends on the dog too.

The cops were even touting he could smell a single seed inside a bar of soap

Good point! Since cops lie, we have no idea what the dogs training and credentials really were.

The seed and soap plaudit is just the sort of thing that a cop would say to stir up the high anxiety folks.

Since seeds aren't a major source of the cannabinoids, turpenoids, or flavoids that the dogs are trained to detect, I would be interested in seeing them demonstrate that.

The US Supreme Court has up held their right to deception in the pursuit of their job, so you have to take anything that they say with a grain of salt.

 

[vangaurd]

I laugh at these post everytime i read them Here is the key, if you are moving weight
10+ lbs long distance it needs to be planned out and random in a everyday car. NOBODY should know when you are going to move and you should blend in as best possible wear a nice shirt and tie look business class. If you are moving less then use common sense, do a walk around on your car to make sure all the lights are working, check your tires and go mid-afternoon around lunch time. Always blend in so if you are in the country tented windows and dubbs will get you unwanted attention if you are in the suburbs see discription above. A car small car that appears stock will get you less attention than anything. Bottom line you are not going to beat a K9 nose its up to you not to give LEO reason to call them in....

 

[WelderDan]

is this happening in the states? dogs to sniff kids at school? that's pretty fucked the fuck up.

This was 1981, in Alabama

And as far as I know, it still happens. Here's some scary shit for ya:

New Jersey v T.L.O. (469 U.S. 325 (1985) U. S. Supreme Court. Even though this is not a canine case, the United States Supreme Court held that: 1. School searches fall under the Fourth Amendment’s reasonableness standard. 2. School officials do not need a warrant to search a student or their property. 3. School officials do not need probable cause to search; the legality of a search of a student should depend simply on the reasonableness, under all the circumstances of the search (reasonable suspicion).

B) United States v Place (462 U.S. 696 (1983) U. S. Supreme Court.
Exposing a person’s property, which is located in a public place, to the sniff of a trained narcotics detecting dog is not a search under the Fourth Amendment.

C) United States v Sokolow (490 U.S. 1 (1988) U. S. Supreme Court.
A sniff from a Narcotic Detector Dog and a positive alert provides probable cause to obtain a search warrant for property.

D) United States v Solis (536 F. 2d 880 (1976) Ninth Circuit.
1. Evidence acquired by odor so detected may furnish evidence of probable cause. 2. Drug Agent’s use of a Narcotic Detector Dog to detect narcotics odor and then obtain search warrant, was not a search under the Fourth Amendment.

 

[GP73LPC]

^^^ this is what happens when people elect neo-conservatives that get to appoint Supreme Court Justices for LIFE !!!!

 

[Gray Wolf]

Bottom line you are not going to beat a K9 nose its up to you not to give LEO reason to call them in....

Good point!

 

[12surfside]

IN the Navy everytime we left a good port like Jamaca the next port the GQ bells ring everyone run to the fantail for rool call. Everyone but cooks! 2 would stsart to follow everyone and start a light sprinkling pepper lightly by entrance and halls then back to kitchen. At roll call here the dog would come. Within 2 foot inside door plugged nose.
As they were pissed we would have to scrub ship for 2 days but dog if they only had that 1 couldnt return for at least a week till nose cleared lol
So now in my truck i carry a salt and pepper shaker in door panel (really for my burgers) but if im holding as pulliong over a little gets sprinkled beside door. Also if i put anything in wifes car trunk i will open her glove box and get my pepper shaker i keep in there and a few shakes on carpet not much just 2 or 3 shakes. This has saved me only once in many years Just had a couple grams. dog couldnt smell anything after first whiff. never got searched again. but always if i see cop wife laughs i'll just reach down a grab it just in case.

 

[DuskrayTroubador]

IN the Navy everytime we left a good port like Jamaca the next port the GQ bells ring everyone run to the fantail for rool call. Everyone but cooks! 2 would stsart to follow everyone and start a light sprinkling pepper lightly by entrance and halls then back to kitchen. At roll call here the dog would come. Within 2 foot inside door plugged nose.
As they were pissed we would have to scrub ship for 2 days but dog if they only had that 1 couldnt return for at least a week till nose cleared lol
So now in my truck i carry a salt and pepper shaker in door panel (really for my burgers) but if im holding as pulliong over a little gets sprinkled beside door. Also if i put anything in wifes car trunk i will open her glove box and get my pepper shaker i keep in there and a few shakes on carpet not much just 2 or 3 shakes. This has saved me only once in many years Just had a couple grams. dog couldnt smell anything after first whiff. never got searched again. but always if i see cop wife laughs i'll just reach down a grab it just in case.

That is genius.

 

[supermanlives]

dogs can smell pepper too. its not like it suddenly appears under their nose when the inhale. save the salt and pepper for yall food. it wont even distract a dog long thats properly trained

 

[12surfside]

super i have to disagree. Scrubbed ship many times for messing with the dogs. Sure he can smell pepper but one hit and plugged nose. Just what ive seen. Theses were military dogs so sure they were properly trained.

 

[AmeriSkunk]

If you are trqnsporting in any way you MUST use the bear bags. They are bags meant to keep bears from smelling your food while camping. Bears have a nose 10,000x stronger than a dogs. These work, they are expensive and some brands don't work as advertised but this is a very important issue when u think about it. Bears coming into your camp for food, ask guy at cabellas or gander mtn which ones are better. They are a must have. Google "bear proof bags"

 

[qupee]

If you are trqnsporting in any way you MUST use the bear bags. They are bags meant to keep bears from smelling your food while camping. Bears have a nose 10,000x stronger than a dogs. These work, they are expensive and some brands don't work as advertised but this is a very important issue when u think about it. Bears coming into your camp for food, ask guy at cabellas or gander mtn which ones are better. They are a must have. Google "bear proof bags"

When I look for bear bags, they are all focused on preventing the bears from opening the container - NOT preventing them from smelling what's in the container.

Which ones supposedly prevent smelling?

 

[supermanlives]

i know someone that knows someone who works at the boarder with a dog.they have seen it all and trained their dogs accordingly. dont expect pepper or anything else to save your ass. foil,coffee, ammonia,,pepper, carbon paper,ect all old news to dogs and dont work. something might work if done without contamination. hard to do for major growers and smugglers. need a clean room to bag shit up without any scent contamination.

 

[Nondual]

Here's another little tip...if you do multi layer packaging after you package in the first vapor barrier material take those packages out of the room where the bud is and put in a 'clean' odorless room. Once you start working with the bud your nose gets a bit desensitized to the odor that's in that room. Finish up your other layers in a 'clean' room otherwise you might end up 'packaging' some stinky air in between what should be odorless layers...if that makes sense.

A friend recently put the final packages (Trim Scene bag outer) inside a contractor bag for transport. When he opened the contractor bag offsite there was a faint but distinct funk coming out and was the gaseous odor that got trapped inside the contractor bag when he filled it up inside the 'smelly' room with the finished packages. For sure was not the packages themselves.

 

[DuskrayTroubador]

i know someone that knows someone who works at the boarder with a dog.they have seen it all and trained their dogs accordingly. dont expect pepper or anything else to save your ass. foil,coffee, ammonia,,pepper, carbon paper,ect all old news to dogs and dont work. something might work if done without contamination. hard to do for major growers and smugglers. need a clean room to bag shit up without any scent contamination.

I've heard from an ex cop that dogs have been known to miss triple vacuum sealed pot. And it's only precautions taken for if pulled over on the way home from a guerrilla grow with a small harvest. It's not like you're going against boarder dogs or anything lol, they're just your typical run of the mill k-9 units.

 

[supermanlives]

probably true i dont know anyone that knows a cop with a dog. my friend does know a boarder agent with a well trained dog. thats how my source has been getting over for many,many moons. i believe more methods would work if the load was prepared right. easy to do if your packing small quantities. weed scent transfers bigtime especially when fresh.if you had a clean room like in silicon valley and computer chips i bet more dogs would get fooled.

 

[Nondual]

weed scent transfers bigtime especially when fresh.if you had a clean room like in silicon valley and computer chips i bet more dogs would get fooled.

Yeah my friend was a bit surprised when he opened that contractor bag and stuck his head in to take the finished packages out. For sure he's gonna take the partially finished packages across the house to a ventilated room next time. I guess if you wanted to go crazy change clothes in between or you could also slip on some disposable painters coveralls. I still think heat sealed mylar foil bags are a must as one layer. You can only do the best you can and redundancy is cheap insurance.

Here's a few bag makers...I have the name of another company that offers different grades and will post it if I can find it. You can get vacuum sealers that handle foil bags but they are a bit pricey!

http://www.extrapackaging.com/military/
http://www.cdf1.com/foilliners.php
http://www.corrosionvci.com/vapor_barrier_custom_foil.htm - on this one under WVTR on the site you can see there is some transfer

Ultimately the seals on these things are plastic on plastic so you can have a foil bag that's rock solid for gas transfer but still not perfect at the seals. Also these bags are subject to getting pinholes, mainly the thinner ones, especially if you bend them around a lot.