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Albert Einstein's 1905 theory of special relativity may be wrong

MIway

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I think it's pretty cool how they're so open to their experiment being independently verified. Science is cool.

"Wow. I certainly can't explain why I keep getting this result, but I certainly keep getting this result. I've spent years trying to make sense of it and I haven't the foggiest. Will you give it a go?"

Beats the crap out of "because I said so."


personally & independently verified back in the 80's... a person can see faster than the speed of light... have to thank the dedicated team at ucla berkeley for that one! way to go science... ;-)
 

igrowone

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there was a somewhat similar discovery some years ago with what is called the group velocity of light
laser pulses in certain materials were shown to travel faster than light speed in a vacuum
in spite of that, the effective communication speed was still limited to the speed of light in vacuum
relativity remained intact, there is a more involved explanation out there for those interested
in short, there are still interesting and non obvious discoveries being done within relativity's scope
 

ShroomDr

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If neutrinos travel faster than light, they would arrive substantially before the photons from a supernova would.. This does not happen...
 

joeuser

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Of course he's been proven wrong...we really don't "know" anything. Every year we learn what we thought we knew is incomplete. It's because we can't "see" past what our instruments can detect...and unfortunately for us...it goes a lot farther than we know.
 

dddaver

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I've read where space, time, and distance can be thought of as folding it all over, like a piece of paper. Then find the wormhole. Sounds kinky to me, I wanna fold HER over.
 

Corpsey

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Albert already knew he was wrong but led everyone to believe in the theory of relativity to save face....

i mean, look here, he has already time traveled to our generation:
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lost in a sea

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yes the theory of relativity is actually incorrect,,, on purpose,, einstein knew it wasnt the whole picture, therefore wrong, and he cleverly skirted around a few things to make the theory so useful..

it states that c (the speed of light) is the speed limit for everything in the universe,,, if you could move a planet like jupiter for example the other planets would react instantaneously,,, they would not wait however many minuites it took for the speed of light before they were affected by the force at work,, so on that one point the theory is totally wrong,, and it can already be shown to be completely wrong because of many other phenomena..

the theory of relativity has been used to make up so much non observable bullshit by mathamaticians,, fictional entities like black holes and dark matter have been dreamt up by mathamaticians and have never been observed or even theorised through any other means,,,

einsteins theory of relativity helps underpin the newtonian theory that gravity is the force at work throughout the entire universe,, but it isnt,,, gravity is a very weak force, when compared to the electrical force (electromagnetism) it is a thousand trillion trillion trillion times weaker,,, since gravity is accepted to be such a weak force by even the powers that be's scientists they made up a lie that 96% of the universe is also filled with a substance that we cant see and that is ultra dense,,, then they get computers to model things based on formulas and then they make up the lie that dark matter is holding the universe together,,,

people have been sold a series of lies for hundreds of years,,,, no surprises there...

also the sun is not a moltern ball like we have been tricked into imagining,, it is a solid rock with trillions of plasma cells sat on its surface being fed by -ive ions streaming from all planetary bodies within the suns plasmasphere,,,

einsteins theory helped the "principle of uniformity" which states that all the processes that we see now and the state of the physics that we currently have, have always been the same and are the same throughout the universe,,

the other preachers of the cult of science that helped solidify this theory apart from newton and einstein are pierre laplace, charles lyell and charles darwin..

oh and there is actually no decent proof that the big bang happened or that it happened 13.5 billion years ago or whenever they decide to make up that this fictional event occured,,, neither the doppler effect nor cosmic background radiation shows any evidence for a big bang..
 
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igrowone

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it states that c (the speed of light) is the speed limit for everything in the universe,,, if you could move a planet like jupiter for example the other planets would react instantaneously,,, they would not wait however many minuites it took for the speed of light before they were affected by the force at work,, so on that one point the theory is totally wrong,,
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from my understanding, that is incorrect
if jupiter was moved(or just vanished), that effect would not propagate any faster than light speed
 

ShroomDr

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^^^

Too much TOTAL bullshit to refute. Its actually a shame, because you have mixed in so much REAL science, that i would be hard for someone who was clueless to pull out the actual facts.

The Sun is not a rock, it is a super dense mass that only holds its shape though gravity, when its fuel is spent, its gravity will no longer be able to hold it so tightly, and its outer surface will expand, most likely out earths orbit.

"einsteins theory of relativity helps underpin the newtonian theory", The Theory of Relativity attempts to marry quantum and Newtonian mechanics, not underpin. Einsteins work helped explain the eccentricities in Mercury's orbit.

You shouldnt use the weather forecast, if you dont believe in Doppler shift. The 'red shift' of most stars indicated there are moving away from us, and there for there was a 'big bang'.

It is like you mixed half 'Pinky' and half 'Brain'.
 
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ShroomDr

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from my understanding, that is incorrect
if jupiter was moved(or just vanished), that effect would not propagate any faster than light speed
Im not 100% on what or where he was coming from, but a planet cannot be ' just moved (or vanished)' faster than light. EVERYTHING we can observe in the universe follows these rules, someone cannot just 'vanish' something, it either follows these rules or is not observable (i hesitate to say it doesnt exist). Jupiter is observable.

The argument is like saying "If i had magic i could do 'X'", well you dont have magic, so the point is mute.



Science meets philosophy when you try to decide if you can tell if there is a live or dead cat in a closed box. (quantum mechanically, you will never know until you observe it (READ: measurement; open and look inside the box). Heisenberg uncertainty principle.

We cant 'see' 96% of the mass in the universe, but we can infer it given our observations of the gravitation effects it has. Just like we cant 'see' individual molecules (their size is smaller than the wavelengths in our 'visual spectrum'), doesnt mean we dont know how certain elements will arrange themselves.
 
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igrowone

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Im not 100% on what or where he was coming from, but a planet cannot be ' just moved (or vanished)' faster than light. EVERYTHING we can observe in the universe follows these rules, someone cannot just 'vanish' something, it either follows these rules or is not observable (i hesitate to say it doesnt exist). Jupiter is observable.
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vanish was a poor choice, since(as you say), nothing vanishes in physics as we understand it
fast displacement of mass is what can actually occur
and this should produce gravity waves, there are detector experiments looking for these beasts
they would be very weak, and nothing detected so far
 

sso

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where did you get that about the sun ? plasma cell on the surface of a rock fed by ions in the plasmasphere?
 

ShroomDr

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where did you get that about the sun ? plasma cell on the surface of a rock fed by ions in the plasmasphere?

From a source that predates the understanding of nuclear fusion...


Hydrogen is fused into heavier elements inside stars. Hence 'we are are stardust, and billion year old carbon'.

Without our understanding of fusion we would not be able to explain why the sun has not ran out of fuel, nor would we have been able to explode hydrogen bombs...

No one is going to the center of a star to see the fusion happening, but the fact that nuclear fusion weapons work, proves the theory.
 
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longearedfriend

a bornagain christian friend of mine told me a couple of times that at the end of his life albert einstein started turning to god and what not ? and that he started having problems accepting the work he did (which in part helped the creation of the abomb)

is there any truth to this ?

I know that Einstein said that god doesn't roll dice (or something to that effect)
 

igrowone

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a bornagain christian friend of mine told me a couple of times that at the end of his life albert einstein started turning to god and what not ? and that he started having problems accepting the work he did (which in part helped the creation of the abomb)

is there any truth to this ?

I know that Einstein said that god doesn't roll dice (or something to that effect)

i think that is partly true, i did see some pics of Einstein at a synagogue in his later years
with the god and rolling dice, that was more about quantum mechanics and Einstein's opinion on it
Einstein hated quantum mechanics, at least the statistical aspects
 

ShroomDr

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a bornagain christian friend of mine told me a couple of times that at the end of his life albert einstein started turning to god and what not ? and that he started having problems accepting the work he did (which in part helped the creation of the abomb)

is there any truth to this ?

I know that Einstein said that god doesn't roll dice (or something to that effect)

Einstein had a modest hand in the development of the Abomb compared to many others (J. Robert Oppenheimer being in the forefront). While his theories may have been instrumental, the bomb would have been developed anyway. Its like blaming the inventor of the wheel for mechanized warfare.

The way i see it, the Bohr–Einstein debates and Schrodinger's cat are as much about quantum mechanics as they are about philosophy. 20th century Plato and Socrates.

Would someone who debates the philosophy of the universe, end up regretting all of the things their discoveries have provided humanity?
 

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